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    #032 - Jeff Warren - Why Should I Explore My Own Consciousness?

    enOctober 01, 2018

    Podcast Summary

    • Exploring Consciousness is ImportantMake meditation a priority to better understand and navigate your mind, gaining valuable insights and improving overall well-being.

      Exploring our own consciousness is as important as personal hygiene, according to Jeff Warren, a meditation teacher and writer. Our minds are vast and complex, with more connections than stars in the galaxy, yet we rarely acknowledge this in our daily lives. Jeff encourages everyone to make meditation practice a regular part of their routine, as a means to better understand and navigate the intricacies of their own minds. Jeff's background includes a career as a journalist and a deep dive into neuroscience and consciousness. He has written extensively on the topic and founded the Consciousness Explorers Club in Toronto. His book, "Meditation for Fidgety Skeptics," co-authored with Dan Harris, is a practical guide to meditation and its benefits. By making meditation a priority, we can gain valuable insights into ourselves and improve our overall well-being.

    • Exploring Consciousness for a Better LifeExploring consciousness helps us live intentionally, be more aware of habits and choices, and gain a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world.

      Exploring one's consciousness is an essential practice for living a more intentional and deliberate life. It allows individuals to be more aware of their habits and choices, leading to less suffering, more meaning, and fulfillment. This introspective work is about choosing how to live one's life and discovering the qualities and things that are important. As Sam Harris puts it, most of us spend our lives learning to live, and this practice is a crucial part of that process. The quote "The quality of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts, but you are not your thoughts" emphasizes the importance of this work. It means that while our thoughts shape our experiences, we are not defined by them. By exploring our consciousness, we can gain a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world around us, ultimately leading to a more fulfilling existence.

    • Exploring the Expansion of Self and RealityThrough various practices, we can expand our perception of self and reality, leading to a sense of interconnectedness and freedom from destructive thought patterns, ultimately reducing suffering.

      Our perception of self and reality can be expanded through various practices, leading to a sense of interconnectedness with the larger whole. This experience is described differently in various traditions – some see it as a relationship with a personal god, while others see it as the awareness of one's true, empty self. Regardless of the language used, the core idea is that we are not our thoughts, but rather the observer of them. This perspective, while subjective, can have significant benefits, including helping us break free from destructive thought patterns and reducing suffering. Ultimately, the goal is not to make objective claims about reality, but rather to explore this mysterious realm of consciousness and find ways to alleviate human suffering.

    • Exploring consciousness is a continuous journey of discovery and improvementThrough meditation, we can become more aware of our thought patterns and limiting beliefs, allowing us to adapt to new experiences with greater wisdom and resilience

      Exploring consciousness is a continuous process of discovery and training. It's like building a road towards a desired destination while also learning how to build it better along the way. This paradoxical nature of consciousness exploration allows us to change our perspective and improve ourselves, while also remaining open to the unexpected twists and turns of life. Meditation, particularly mindfulness, plays a crucial role in this process by helping us become more aware of our thought patterns and limiting beliefs, allowing us to break free from them and adapt to new experiences with greater wisdom and resilience.

    • Living in the gap between experiences and reactionsMindfulness practice expands our spaciousness, allowing us to ride the waves of life with happiness and freedom, while engaging with the world and helping others.

      Mindfulness practice involves learning to live in the gap between experiences and reactions. This gap provides more space for understanding and responding to life's circumstances, leading to a deeper and more meaningful experience. As we develop this spaciousness, we can learn to ride the waves of life instead of being carried along by them. This approach allows us to find happiness and freedom, while also engaging with the world and helping others. In Buddhism, this concept evolved from transcending suffering to embracing energy and play, creating a more joyful and fulfilling life. This perspective aligns with self-actualization movements in the West, emphasizing both personal growth and positive impact on the world.

    • Maintaining Balance in Mindfulness PracticeMindfulness practice can lead to emotional equanimity but avoiding complete disconnection from the world is essential. Ego plays a role in motivation and action, find balance. Good teachers prevent indifference and dissociation. Happiness not contingent on external factors, but mindfulness practice requires responsibility and self-checks.

      While mindfulness practice and meditation can lead to a greater sense of detachment and emotional equanimity, it's important to avoid becoming completely disconnected from the world around us. The ego plays a crucial role in motivating us to take action and engage with life, but it's essential to find a balance between maintaining the ego and being mindful of our thoughts and emotions. A good teacher can help prevent the potential trap of indifference and dissociation in a mindfulness practice. Additionally, happiness is not contingent on external factors, and practices like solitary confinement and silent meditation retreats have been used for centuries to gain valuable insights into the mind. However, for many people, sitting alone with their thoughts can be a challenging and even punishing experience. It's crucial to approach mindfulness practice with a sense of responsibility and a willingness to continually check in with ourselves to ensure that it's leading us in a positive direction.

    • Finding peace and freedom within ourselves through meditationMeditation practice deepens our experience of life, erodes attachments, and leads to peace and freedom in the present moment

      The practice of sitting alone with oneself can lead to true freedom. However, many people struggle with this as it goes against our natural inclination to constantly change external conditions to avoid being alone with ourselves. This can lead to a never-ending cycle of seeking novelty and avoiding present moment experience. Meditation, or mindfulness practice, can be seen as a "magic trick" that can deepen our experience of life, allowing us to find peace and freedom within ourselves. Advanced practitioners, like Shinzen Young, have spent tens of thousands of hours in practice, leading to a profound shift in perception and experience. The more time we spend in mindfulness practice, the more we can erode our attachments and find peace in the present moment.

    • Exploring the deeper aspects of mindfulness practiceThrough mindfulness practice, we can let go of unnecessary priorities, gain deeper self-awareness, and approach tasks with greater intelligence and care.

      Mindfulness practice can help us break free from cycles of urgency and limitation, allowing us to experience more space and appreciation in our lives. This idea was explained through the metaphor of a "mindfulness spit roast," where we first address the deeper, often overlooked aspects of our experience, and then explore the mystical, poignant dimensions that emerge as we deepen our practice. According to the speaker, as we learn to let go of unnecessary priorities and distractions, we gain the ability to approach remaining tasks with greater intelligence and care. Additionally, novel experiences have the power to increase our mindfulness, making them valuable opportunities for growth and self-awareness.

    • Mindfulness increases with new experiencesNew experiences increase mindfulness, allowing us to fully appreciate the present moment and remember details. Familiar situations cause our minds to wander, missing out on the richness of the present.

      Our level of mindfulness significantly increases when we encounter new and novel experiences. This is because our minds are fully present and engaged in the moment, allowing us to remember and fully appreciate the details of those experiences. However, when we encounter familiar situations, our minds tend to wander and we miss out on the richness of the present moment. This phenomenon, often described as a universal insight by mindfulness practitioners, can be liberating as it shows that we have the ability to spend more time in a mindful state. The practice of mindfulness itself shapes our consciousness, allowing us to notice the beginning of each moment and experience the world with greater clarity and equanimity. So, the next time you find yourself stuck in thought or going through the motions of a familiar routine, try to bring your full attention to the present moment and appreciate the novelty and richness of the experience.

    • Exploring deeper levels of consciousness in meditationMeditation deepens insight into emptiness, leading to a deathless life. Focus on state changes during practice for a more profound experience.

      Meditation practitioner Shinzen's unique experience involves consciously lowering his awareness into the deeper levels of the mind, experiencing reality as a gushing fountain of energy emerging from emptiness. He identifies himself as this emptiness, leading to a deathless life. Practice deepens this insight, making it more profound over time. It's important to focus on the state changes during meditation rather than expecting immediate trait changes. Meditation occurs at three levels: state, trait, and state-trait, all happening simultaneously.

    • Immediate and long-term benefits of meditationMeditation provides temporary calm and emotional improvement in the moment, while consistent practice leads to lasting trait changes like increased friendliness and overall well-being.

      Meditation practice offers both immediate and long-term benefits. In the moment, meditation can create temporary state changes, leading to feelings of calm and improved emotional responses. However, over time and with consistent practice, these state changes can lead to lasting trait changes, such as increased friendliness or overall well-being. Additionally, the deepest level of practice can help individuals experience themselves as part of their entire life, fostering a greater sense of self-awareness and connection. Regarding guided versus unguided practices, both have their merits, and the choice depends on the individual's preferences and needs. For beginners, guided practices can provide valuable structure and support, while experienced meditators may find unguided practices more beneficial. Ultimately, the goal is to find what works best for each person and to experiment with different approaches throughout their meditation journey.

    • Seeking guidance from teachers and communities enhances meditation practiceLearning from a knowledgeable teacher and engaging with a meditation community can provide valuable feedback, identify unhelpful habits, and offer insights into universal truths.

      Meditation practice can be enhanced by seeking the perspective of a knowledgeable teacher or community, even for those who value independence. A teacher provides valuable feedback and can help identify habits that may not be serving one's practice or overall life. The community can also offer insights and learning opportunities through shared experiences. While deepening in experience is unique to each individual, there is also a collective wisdom that emerges from the practice and can benefit all. The longer one practices and interacts with others, the clearer the intuitions of universal truths become.

    • From hearing to understanding: the power of reflection and contemplationDeep understanding and transformation come from personal experience and reflection, not just hearing wisdom. Engage with quotes and concepts to make them truly yours.

      Deep understanding and transformation come from personal experience and resonance with concepts, rather than just hearing them. Quotes and wisdom can be inspiring, but they don't truly take root until we engage with them on a deeper level. The analogy of the mind being like the sky and the weather illustrates this well – the sun (wisdom) is always present, but it can be obscured by the clouds (distractions and obstacles). To make wisdom truly ours, we need to reflect on it, contemplate it, and integrate it into our lives. This process can lead to transformative moments, where insights land in our belly and create lasting change.

    • Exploring the human experience together through sharing practices and wisdomSharing meditation practices and wisdom can lead to personal growth and positive change, recognizing everyone's value, and democratizing access to knowledge for mental health.

      We are all explorers in the mystery of being human, and the sharing of practices and wisdom can lead to personal growth and positive change. The pooling of wisdom and democratizing the sharing of practice means recognizing that everyone has something valuable to offer, and we can learn from each other. This is important as mental health issues are becoming increasingly prevalent, and not everyone has access to experienced meditation teachers. It's essential to provide a minimum effective dose of knowledge and guidelines for safely and effectively sharing meditation practices, while also acknowledging the potential risks and challenges, such as dissociative states and unresolved trauma. Ultimately, we are all mapping the terrain of the human experience together, and the more we share and learn from each other, the more we can grow and thrive.

    • Benefits of meditation and mindfulness for mental healthMeditation and mindfulness can improve mental health, but approach with care, especially with past traumas. The author aims to make these practices accessible to all through a book and online course.

      Meditation and mindfulness practices can greatly benefit individuals and society as a whole, with mental health being as important as diet and exercise. However, it's crucial to approach these practices in a safe and informed way, especially when dealing with past traumas. The author's goal is to make these practices accessible to everyone, and she's working on a book and online course to do so. It's important to note that meditation is no longer a specialized or religious practice, but rather a tool for self-regulation and mental well-being. The author also mentions the potential danger of unearthing past traumas through introspective work and suggests that addressing mental health issues may require a global response, similar to the urgency around addressing climate change.

    • Personal responsibility for effective problem-solvingTo address external problems, prioritize internal clarity, openness, and collaboration. Mindfulness is a helpful tool, but not a panacea. Personal responsibility is key.

      Addressing the world's external problems requires an optimal internal condition. The quote "you can't change the world's problems with the consciousness that created them" highlights the importance of approaching challenges with clarity, openness, and a genuine desire for collaboration. This "interpersonal hygiene" is essential for effective problem-solving and can be seen as a personal responsibility. The current mindfulness movement is a positive development, with increasing interest in self-care practices and personal responsibility. However, it's crucial to remember that mindfulness is not a panacea and should be used responsibly, in conjunction with other modalities. It's important to avoid making excessive claims for mindfulness and to recognize its limitations. Overall, personal and interpersonal hygiene, including mindfulness practice, is a crucial foundation for effectively addressing the world's challenges.

    • Navigating the Complexity of Mindfulness and Self-RegulationAwareness and responsibility are crucial to mitigate the negative consequences of societal advancements, such as oversimplification, commercialization, and irresponsible practices in mindfulness and self-regulation.

      The interest in mindfulness and self-regulation is a positive force in society, but it can also be oversimplified and commercialized, leading to backlash and irresponsible practices. The speaker sees this dynamic as a continuous complexity that society must navigate, with increasing awareness and capacity for spaciousness amidst intensifying challenges like mental illness, environmental degradation, and political instability. The speaker also warns of the dangers of overshooting the benefits of societal advancements, using the examples of mindfulness and the agricultural and industrial revolutions. Ultimately, the speaker suggests that ongoing awareness and responsibility are necessary to mitigate the negative consequences of progress.

    • Understanding and dismantling personal biases for true connectionExploring self-awareness and dismantling personal biases is crucial for fostering genuine connections, globally, socially, and culturally. Resources for starting the practice can be found on jeffwarren.org and cecmeditate.com, with a free community practice startup kit coming soon.

      Our individual biases create a carapace that warps how we interact with the world around us, leading to reactivity and disconnection. This dynamic is not limited to personal relationships but also occurs globally, socially, and culturally. The practice of dismantling this carapace is essential for true intimacy and connection. Jeff Warren, the guest on the podcast, emphasizes this concept and offers resources for starting one's practice through his website, jeffwarren.org, and the Consciousness Explorers Club, cecmeditate.com. He also mentions a free community practice startup kit that will soon be available. The study of the differences in experience of life at various hours of mindfulness practice is an interesting read for those interested in understanding the trajectory of mindfulness practice. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of self-awareness and the need to break down our biases to foster genuine connections.

    • Exploring Consciousness with Chris FrithContinuous learning and exploration are crucial for understanding consciousness. Joining communities and collaborating with others can provide valuable insights. Stay curious and open-minded to new ideas and perspectives.

      Learning from this conversation with Chris is the importance of exploration and continuous learning, especially when it comes to the mysterious and complex topic of consciousness. Chris shared his experiences with the Consciousness Explorers Club and the insights he's gained from its members, emphasizing the value of community and collaboration in understanding this complex phenomenon. He also highlighted the importance of staying curious and open-minded, and the potential benefits of delving deeper into the study of consciousness. Overall, this conversation underscores the value of ongoing exploration and learning, and the potential rewards that come from engaging with new ideas and perspectives.

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    "The journey to wisdom involves integrating academic philosophy with life practices." - John Vervaeke




    Chapters with Timestamps

     

    [00:00:00] Introduction to the Series

    [00:03:00] John's Personal Journey to Philosophy and Meditation

    [00:06:00] The Convergence of Mindfulness and Academic Philosophy 

    [00:11:40] Defining Meditation and Contemplation 

    [00:19:24] Discussion on Academic Philosophy and Its Practice 

    [00:22:20] Exploring the Philosophy of Meditation 

    [00:41:00] The Impact of Meditation in Personal Life 

    [00:52:00] Neoplatonic Levels of Meditation 

    [00:55:50] Integration of Eastern and Western Philosophical Practices 

    [01:17:16] Exploring the Verveke Foundation and Its Role 

    [01:24:00] The Importance of Community and Shared Practices 

    [01:28:00] Final Thoughts and Reflections 

     

    Timestamped Highlights

     

    [00:01:00] - Introduction to the Philosophy of Meditation series.

    [00:02:01] - Rick's reflection on how the series began.

    [00:03:13] - John's journey to meditation, philosophy, and philosophy of meditation 

    [00:07:12] - Integration of academic philosophy and mindfulness practices.

    [00:11:48] - Defining meditation and contemplation.

    [00:14:39] - Deepening the understanding of consciousness.

    [00:19:49] - The role of academic philosophy.

    [00:22:29] - The philosophy of meditation within cognitive science.

    [00:31:02] - Can meditation contribute to philosophy?

    [00:41:00] - The importance of meditation in personal life.  

    [00:52:00] - Explanation of Neoplatonic meditation levels.

    [00:55:50] - John Vervaeke discusses integrating Eastern and Western practices.

    [00:58:19] - Discussion on balancing personal idiosyncrasies and universal challenges.

    [01:00:38] - John shares his mystical experience of Plato's forms.

    [01:02:41] - Reflection on the transformative impact of mystical experiences.

    [01:06:40] - Critical perspective on the current state of mindfulness practices in North America.

    [01:09:00] - The need for a deeper understanding of the relationship between mindfulness and wisdom.

    [01:14:22] - Advice for practitioners of meditation and mindfulness.

    [01:17:16] - Introduction to the Verveke Foundation and its objectives.

    [01:24:00] - Emphasizing the need for community and shared wisdom practices.

    [01:28:00] - Closing remarks and gratitude for the podcast series.