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    #113 - From Furniture Store to Water Delivery: The Millions in Boring Businesses

    enSeptember 23, 2020

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    • Marketing trends and organizational optimization insights from HubSpot report and Frank SlootmanStay updated with marketing trends for business success. Eliminate inefficiencies and underperforming employees to maximize productivity. Maintain a high-performing team and compensate based on results.

      Staying updated with marketing trends is crucial for business success, and HubSpot's 2,024 State of Marketing report provides valuable insights based on data and expert opinions. Another key takeaway from Frank Slootman, CEO of Snowflake, is the importance of eliminating inefficiencies and underperforming employees in organizations to maximize productivity. Slootman emphasized the significance of maintaining a high-performing team and compensating them based on results, even if it meant going against conventional wisdom. These insights offer valuable lessons for businesses looking to optimize their marketing efforts and organizational structure. To learn more, check out the HubSpot report and Frank Slootman's LinkedIn post.

    • Performance-centric leadershipFocusing on business goals, even if it means prioritizing revenue growth, can lead to high performance and attract like-minded employees. Leaders with conviction and courage inspire loyalty and success.

      Having a clear focus on business goals, even if it means prioritizing revenue growth over other areas, can lead to high performance and attracting like-minded employees. The speaker in this discussion emphasized the importance of a strong leadership perspective and the repelling effect it has on those who do not share the same focus. However, this approach can be challenging and may face opposition, as some organizations prioritize employee satisfaction over customer satisfaction and mission-driven goals. The speaker, Frank Slootman, advocated for conviction and courage in running a company, stating that people follow leaders who demonstrate these qualities. Despite the potential backlash, this performance-centric thinking can ultimately result in popularity and success.

    • Stories of Successful PeopleMeeting and learning from successful people, regardless of industry or speaking abilities, can provide valuable insights and motivation for personal growth and achievement.

      Successful people come in various forms and industries, and their stories of success can be inspiring and intriguing. Some individuals, like the person mentioned in the beginning, may not captivate us through their speaking abilities but may still have impressive accomplishments. Others, like Rocket Internet and Danny Meyer, have built successful businesses and empires in their respective fields. The Melmans, mentioned as Chicago's equivalent to Danny Meyer, have also made a name for themselves with their unique restaurant concepts. Meeting and learning from these individuals can provide valuable insights and motivation, even if it requires going out of one's way to do so. Ultimately, the stories of successful people remind us of the potential for growth and achievement in our own lives.

    • From small beginnings to big successesStarting small, focusing on excellence, and attracting top talent can lead to building successful, unique businesses.

      Small beginnings and a relentless focus on excellence can lead to the creation of successful, unique businesses. The discussion highlighted the journey of Wow Bao, which started as a tiny restaurant in a small space, and grew into a nationwide chain with over 120 locations and significant revenue and profits. Similarly, Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-born American entrepreneur, started Chobani Yogurt from a craft food factory in upstate New York and turned it into a billion-dollar privately-owned company. Both these entrepreneurs demonstrate the power of starting small, having a clear vision, and attracting top talent to build successful businesses. Additionally, they showcased the allure of hiring people from brick and mortar stores, who bring a unique energy and dedication to their work.

    • Finding Success in Smaller CommunitiesSmall towns and states offer opportunities for significant business growth and community impact. Companies like Epic, Waste Management, and Nebraska Furniture Mart have shown that becoming a major employer in a smaller area can lead to success and positive impact.

      Becoming the biggest employer in a smaller town or state can be more rewarding and less challenging than trying to be a major player in larger cities. The example given was of Epic, a health care company that became a major employer in Wisconsin, creating a campus and becoming the "big dog" in the area. Another example was Waste Management, a company started by Wayne Huizenga that grew from a single truck to a large corporation through acquisitions. The speaker also mentioned his admiration for small business owners like the Bulgarian Jewish lady who built Nebraska Furniture Mart from a small store to a large business with a simple one-page agreement. These stories illustrate the potential for significant success and impact in smaller communities, where the competition may be less fierce and the potential for community engagement and positive impact can be greater.

    • The Capabilities of the ElderlyA 90-year-old lady continued to work and started a competitor after selling her business to Warren Buffett, proving age is just a number. Speaker preferred tangible businesses and disliked computers, but saw potential for innovation in the water delivery sector.

      Age is just a number, and one should never underestimate the capabilities and potential of the elderly. The story of the 90-year-old lady who continued to work and even started a competitor after selling her business to Warren Buffett is a testament to this. Additionally, the speaker expressed a preference for tangible businesses and a dislike for working behind a computer. He shared an idea for a business in the water delivery sector, highlighting the potential for a subscription model and the recurring revenue it could generate. Despite the speaker's dislike for such businesses, he saw potential for improvement in the customer experience and identified a lack of competition in the market. Previously, there was a company called Culligan that offered similar services, but the speaker believed there was room for innovation and modernization in the industry.

    • Culligan's Success with Local Delivery and ConvenienceCulligan's success comes from offering essential water delivery with local convenience, despite the seemingly low price point.

      Culligan, a well-known water delivery service company, operates on a subscription model and has a significant market size, despite the seemingly low price point for their product. The company's success comes from their local delivery system and the convenience they offer, making water available in various temperatures at all times. The speaker shares fond memories of having a Culligan water cooler growing up and appreciates the game-changing impact it had on their daily life. However, the speaker questions the potential profitability of starting a similar business due to the low price point of their product and the need for local delivery infrastructure. The speaker also mentions another viral business called Civil and shares their unique perspective on it, but that's a topic for another discussion. Overall, the conversation highlights the potential of businesses offering essential services and the importance of local delivery and customer convenience.

    • The 'Uber for Evictions' Business ModelCivil, an on-demand eviction service, is thriving despite controversy, offering landlords help with court documents, notices, and cleanouts. The industry, including repossession and student debt collection, can be large and unregulated.

      There's a new on-demand service called Civil, which is often referred to as the "Uber for evictions." This company helps landlords with various eviction-related tasks, including serving court documents, posting eviction notices, and cleaning out properties after tenants leave. They also offer services for foreclosures and provide standby extraction, which is similar to a police-assisted eviction. Despite the controversial nature of their business, Civil is reportedly doing well and hiring people in large numbers. The company's website is simple, but its lack of transparency and information has raised concerns. This industry, which includes services like repossession and student debt collection, can be huge and largely unregulated, with potentially massive companies operating behind the scenes. The speaker was intrigued by the potential of these industries and the lack of information available to the public.

    • Impact of Business Model on Company Culture and Entrepreneur's LifestyleBusiness model choices significantly influence company culture and entrepreneur's lifestyle. B2B companies can lead to strong, durable businesses, but B2C models offer more personal engagement and interest for some entrepreneurs.

      The nature of a business and its business model significantly impacts both the company culture and the entrepreneur's lifestyle. During our discussion, we explored the differences between collecting student debt and running a business, particularly in the context of business-to-business (B2B) versus business-to-consumer (B2C) companies. The student debt collection industry is a multibillion-dollar industry, with fees for collecting totaling billions of dollars annually. However, it's not a business I would want to be involved in due to its lack of intellectual stimulation and the emotional toll it could take. When it comes to business models, the choice between serving a large number of customers spending small amounts or a smaller number of customers spending large amounts can shape the company culture and entrepreneur's lifestyle. While B2B companies can lead to strong, durable businesses, my personal preference is for B2C, as I find it more interesting and enjoyable to build and engage with consumers. Ultimately, the question is not which business model is "better," but rather which one aligns best with your personal goals and interests.

    • SaaS with Self-Serve Model vs Physical Products or E-commerceSaaS businesses with self-serve models offer a scalable and cost-effective approach to generating revenue, with high monthly renewal rates and a strong customer inertia to switch services.

      For businesses looking to build a sustainable revenue model, software-as-a-service (SaaS) with a self-serve model and a high subscription renewal rate is a preferable choice over physical products or e-commerce with a sales team. The inertia to switch services once a company has made a purchase is strong, making it difficult for new businesses to gain traction. However, SaaS businesses have several advantages, such as requiring fewer people to run, not needing to create new things constantly, and having a high monthly renewal rate. Self-serve models also tend to have higher churn rates but can still generate significant revenue. For instance, ConvertKit, a successful SaaS business, has a monthly churn rate of 4.9% and generates 2 million dollars in recurring revenue, all while relying solely on word-of-mouth for leads. While having a sales team can create demand, self-serve models offer a more scalable and cost-effective approach to generating revenue.

    • Realizing the Value of a Sales TeamHiring a sales team can significantly boost a business by generating demand and revenue. Finding the right fit, whether a tech-savvy salesperson or a traditional one, is crucial to unlocking their potential.

      Despite having a negative perception towards traditional salespeople, hiring a sales team can significantly boost a business, especially in terms of generating demand and revenue. The speaker's initial reluctance towards salespeople was based on stereotypes and past experiences, but he eventually realized the value they brought to the table. However, the type of salesperson desired depends on the nature of the business. For a software product, a tech-savvy salesperson managing a team of creatives and controlling a large budget might be more effective than a traditional salesperson. Ultimately, it's essential to find the right fit for the business and unlock the potential of a sales team.

    • Explore industries beyond your comfort zoneStay curious and open-minded to various industries and business models for successful entrepreneurship

      Starting a business, you can initially choose a focus based on your interests or the market potential, but it's essential to remain open-minded and explore various industries and business models. The success stories of blue-collar entrepreneurs, like those in flooring or junk removal, serve as reminders that there's a vast world beyond our immediate circles and filter bubbles. Even if you come from a background in farming or trucking, as some may assume, it's possible to learn and succeed in industries outside of your comfort zone. The key is to stay curious and keep an open mind. Additionally, shows like "Blue Collar Millionaires" on CNBC can offer valuable insights into the world of blue-collar entrepreneurship and inspire new perspectives.

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