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    122: 5 Myths Holding Investors Back From Real Estate Greatness with Chris Clothier

    enMay 14, 2015

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    • Avoiding Real Estate Scams: Be Diligent and Do Your ResearchBe cautious online, ask for references, and do thorough research to avoid real estate scams. Consistency and a trusted agent can also benefit your investing journey.

      Engaging in real estate investing doesn't require a lot of time, but it's important to be cautious and do thorough research to avoid scams. Josh Dorkin, the host of the Bigger Pockets podcast, shared his experience of receiving a scam offer from a Nigerian scammer after posting an ad for private lending on the BiggerPockets marketplace. He emphasized the importance of being diligent in vetting people, especially when dealing with online platforms. He also encouraged asking for references and being cautious of offers that seem too good to be true. While BiggerPockets strives to keep its community safe, it's ultimately up to individuals to do their own research and due diligence. The podcast also discussed the benefits of consistency and having a trusted agent who understands your preferences. Overall, the key takeaway is to be informed, cautious, and consistent in your real estate investing journey.

    • Myths hindering real estate success and strategies to overcome themInvesting in real estate requires more than just buying properties; it involves professionalism, mindset, and scalability. Strategies like Rent to Retirement and using tools like DealMachine can help overcome common myths and build a successful business.

      Building a successful real estate investment business involves more than just buying properties; it's about professionalism, mindset, and scalability. Chris Clothier, a seasoned investor and business builder, emphasizes this distinction. He shared his insights on the Bigger Pockets podcast about the five myths holding investors back from real estate greatness. One intriguing opportunity discussed was investing with no money down through Rent to Retirement. This strategy allows investors to buy new construction rental properties with little to no upfront cost. Additionally, tools like DealMachine can help investors access valuable contact information for lead generation, making the deal-making process more efficient. Overall, the episode provided valuable insights for both new and experienced investors, emphasizing the importance of building a thriving real estate investment business.

    • Myths hindering real estate investorsSuccessful real estate entrepreneur Chris Clothier debunks common misconceptions, enabling investors to maximize their potential through his company Memphis Invest.

      Chris Clothier, a successful real estate entrepreneur, thinks and operates on an enterprise level, which has contributed significantly to his achievements and the growth of his company, Memphis Invest. The company, which started from a single house purchase, has now expanded to become one of the top 50 home buyers in America, with offices in Memphis, Dallas, and Houston, managing almost 3,000 properties and serving over 1100 clients. Chris's journey began when he bought a house near a university in Memphis to facilitate the sale of his own house in Denver. His father, who was already involved in the family's real estate business, was not directly involved in this particular venture. Today, Chris and his team are discussing five real estate myths that hinder investors from reaching their full potential, based on blog posts he has written in the past.

    • Siblings' Success in Real Estate Through Independent Efforts and CollaborationIndependent efforts and collaboration can lead to significant success in real estate. One family's story involved three siblings starting their own ventures, later collaborating, and growing through their father's successful turnkey business.

      The real estate industry often involves independent individuals and families discovering the business on their own, as evidenced by the story of three siblings who each started their own real estate ventures in different locations without knowing about each other. Their father, who had a grocery business background, became particularly successful in Memphis' long-term buy-and-hold market and began offering turnkey properties to investors. The siblings later collaborated, sending investors to their father's company and growing their business together. This story highlights the potential for success in real estate through independent efforts and the power of collaboration and communication among like-minded individuals. Additionally, the siblings' growth in the industry is significant, with one of them being among the top 50 home buyers in America by volume, purchasing over 600 houses in a year and aiming for 750 this year.

    • Working with family in real estate investmentClear communication and respect are crucial for successful partnerships with family in real estate investment.

      Working with family in real estate investment can be challenging, but with clear boundaries, respect, and a business-focused mindset, it can also be successful. As people age and gain more experience, they may find it easier to work with family and earn their respect. However, it's essential to remember that at work, it's all business, and personal issues should be left at home. Miscommunications and disagreements are inevitable, but as long as everyone respects their roles and responsibilities, the partnership can thrive. The speaker shared his personal experience of working with family, including the challenges and the benefits, and emphasized the importance of clear communication and respect in making such partnerships work.

    • Working with Family Members in Business: Clear Roles, Respect, Accountability, and QualificationsClearly define roles, respect each other, hold family members accountable, and ensure they have necessary qualifications when working in a family business.

      Working with family members in a business requires clear roles, respect, accountability, and qualifications. The speaker shared a personal story about hiring his sister and ensuring that everyone understood their roles and was held accountable like any other employee. He emphasized that it's important to be upfront and not hire family members out of convenience without considering their qualifications. The speaker also mentioned that it's essential to establish clear expectations and hold everyone accountable to ensure the business's success. While it's not charity to hire family members, it's crucial to remember that they should bring something valuable to the table. The speaker's experience showed that even on vacation, family business expectations never truly end, and the owner's involvement remains constant. To protect oneself in a family partnership, the speaker recommended establishing clear roles, setting expectations, and holding everyone accountable. It's also essential to ensure that the family member brings the necessary qualifications to the table.

    • Planning for the end of business partnerships and real estate investmentsIt's important to communicate effectively, focus on current trends, prepare for various scenarios, and have a plan in place for the end of business partnerships and real estate investments.

      It's essential to plan for the end of business partnerships and real estate investments, even if it's an uncomfortable topic. Past performances are not always reliable indicators of future success, and it's crucial to focus on current trends and factors that may impact the future of your investments. Clear communication and setting expectations with partners and family members are key to avoiding potential conflicts when the end comes. Additionally, preparing for various scenarios and having a plan in place is the responsible way to approach business and real estate ventures.

    • Looking beyond past trends in real estate investmentFocus on future factors like demographics, economies, and development for profitable real estate investments. Educate yourself daily with resources like BiggerPockets to get started.

      While real estate can be a profitable investment, it's important to look beyond past trends and focus on the future. Not every property will continue to appreciate in value, and the likelihood of appreciation can be improved by considering factors such as demographics, economies, and development. Additionally, investing in real estate doesn't have to be a time-consuming endeavor. With the right education and resources, such as BiggerPockets, an hour a day can be enough to get started and learn about various investment strategies, many of which are relatively passive once implemented.

    • Shift your mindset to make real estate investing work for youStart with just one hour a day for learning and researching, utilize resources, and remember that time and effort lead to success

      Mindset plays a significant role in how we approach real estate investing. Instead of focusing on the obstacles and limitations, like lack of time, it's essential to shift our thinking and ask ourselves how we can make it work. Real estate doesn't have to be an all-consuming time suck. In fact, with the right approach, it can be passive and rewarding, just like investing in stocks. For those who are interested but hesitant due to time constraints, starting with just one hour a day for learning and researching is a good place to begin. Utilizing resources like the Bigger Pockets podcast, library, and beginner books can provide valuable knowledge and insights. Remember, the time and effort we put into something are directly related to our success in that area.

    • Consistent daily actions in real estate lead to significant changesDaily actions, like learning about real estate or engaging with industry peers, can lead to valuable opportunities and a strong reputation. Utilize resources like the Internet to expand options and reduce risk, but always educate yourself first.

      Consistent daily actions, even if they're small, can lead to significant changes in your life and investment portfolio. Investing time and energy every day, whether it's learning about real estate or engaging with others in the industry, can help build a strong reputation and lead to valuable opportunities. Additionally, with the help of resources like the Internet, investors have the ability to explore markets outside of their local area, allowing them to expand their options and reduce the risk of investing in unfamiliar territory. However, it's important to first educate yourself about real estate and your local market before considering out-of-town investments. Overall, the key is to consistently put in effort and stay engaged in the industry, whether it's locally or at a distance.

    • Understanding the Fear of Risk in Real Estate InvestingDespite the fear of risk, thorough research, expert consultation, and diversification are key to successful real estate investing. Higher investments often have lower risk due to greater potential rewards.

      There are more passive real estate investors than active ones, and location is not a limiting factor for passive investing. Fear of risk is a common obstacle for investors, but it's essential to understand that every investment involves some level of risk. The fear of losing money often leads people to make riskier decisions, such as investing less capital in a higher-risk opportunity. However, the probability of losing money is usually lower with a higher investment, as the potential reward is greater. To overcome the fear of risk, it's crucial to do thorough research, consult experts, and diversify investments. As a businessman, we take calculated risks all the time, and some pay off while others don't. Ultimately, finding the right balance between risk and reward is crucial for successful real estate investing.

    • Assessing risks before taking calculated actionsCalculated risks can lead to growth and lessons, but it's crucial to evaluate potential risks and rewards beforehand. Understanding unique risks in real estate investments and having boots on the ground knowledge or trusted advisors can help mitigate pitfalls.

      Taking calculated risks can lead to valuable lessons and growth, but it's essential to assess the potential risks and consider the upside before making a decision. The speaker shared an experience of taking a risk in Texas that ultimately set their company back, leading to financial losses and team member turnover. However, they also recognized that this experience taught them valuable insights about their team and decision-making process. Moreover, the discussion emphasized the importance of understanding the risks associated with different real estate investments. Buying cheaper properties or relying on others to manage the investment can add to the risk, and it's crucial to weigh these factors against the potential rewards. The speakers emphasized the importance of having boots on the ground knowledge or a trusted advisor to mitigate the risks and make informed decisions. In summary, taking calculated risks can lead to valuable lessons and growth, but it's crucial to assess the potential risks and consider the upside before making a decision. Understanding the unique risks associated with different real estate investments and having boots on the ground knowledge or a trusted advisor can help mitigate potential pitfalls.

    • Meeting people face to face reduces investment riskTo minimize risk when investing in a new market, personally meet potential partners or operators to assess their trustworthiness.

      When considering an investment in a new market, it's crucial to find trustworthy boots on the ground. Trust and risk go hand in hand, and it's essential to find people or companies that you trust. While there are still investors who base their decisions on reputation and recommendations, physically meeting someone face to face is the best way to reduce risk. Meeting someone in person allows you to get a feel for their character and assess whether they're trustworthy. If an investor or operator refuses to meet in person, it's a giant red flag. It's a small investment to make to secure your future by flying out and meeting them. Remember, the reputation and credibility of a company or individual can only go so far; ultimately, it's important to put your eyes on it and meet people face to face.

    • Manage multiple business accounts hassle-free with RelayFi and BetterHelp for mental well-beingSign up for RelayFi to manage business accounts with ease and invest in BetterHelp for mental health support, ensuring proper pricing for rental properties to mitigate risks.

      For hassle-free banking, consider signing up for RelayFi, which allows users to manage multiple business accounts without monthly fees or minimums. This financial technology company, provided by Thread Bank, offers a Visa debit card for seamless transactions. Meanwhile, for mental well-being, investing time in therapy through BetterHelp can help individuals discover their priorities and accomplish more with less stress. In the world of commercial real estate, staying informed is crucial, and the Walker webcast, hosted by Willie Walker of Walker and Dunlop, provides valuable insights. When it comes to mitigating risks in real estate investments, proper pricing is essential. For rental properties, ensuring the rent is priced appropriately based on the market and the sweet spot of renter demand is crucial. Over-renovating or relying on inaccurate comps can lead to financial losses. Always verify the data from trusted team members to make informed decisions.

    • Inspect what you expect to prevent unexpected costs and delaysEffective communication and expectation setting are essential for real estate rehab projects and property management. Regular inspections and clear expectations can help prevent unexpected costs, minimize tenant damages, and ensure longer tenancies.

      Effective communication and expectation setting are crucial in real estate rehab projects and property management to avoid going over budget and dealing with tenant-inflicted damages. The speaker emphasized the importance of "inspecting what you expect" to prevent unexpected costs and delays. Additionally, setting clear expectations and maintaining a professional demeanor during the rental application and closing process can help minimize tenant damages and ensure a longer tenancy. When managing properties yourself, consider closing rentals in a professional setting and scheduling inspections regularly to maintain the property's condition.

    • Effective communication and choosing a reliable property management company are crucial in real estate investingCommunication is essential for addressing concerns and maintaining a good relationship with property managers. Avoiding the lowest-priced options can prevent potential issues and maximize returns. Seeking advice from experienced investors and recognizing that cheaper doesn't always mean better are valuable lessons for new investors.

      Effective communication and choosing a reliable property management company are crucial in real estate investing to prevent potential issues and maximize returns. Communication is key to addressing concerns and maintaining a good relationship with the property manager. It's important to avoid the lowest-priced options, as they may not provide adequate services and could be at risk of going out of business. Seeking advice from experienced investors on platforms like BiggerPockets can help overcome analysis paralysis and provide valuable insights for making informed decisions. Additionally, learning early on that cheaper doesn't always mean better, trusting people wisely, and recognizing that there is no perfect time to start investing are valuable lessons for new investors.

    • Real estate investing in any market cycleSophisticated investors understand real estate's profitability in any market cycle, while new investors may not. Warren Buffett didn't buy thousands of single family homes, but this myth has led to opportunities for companies to buy bulk packages of properties.

      Real estate investing can be profitable in any market cycle, debunking the myth that it's only viable during certain economic conditions. Chris emphasized that sophisticated investors understand this, while those new to real estate may not. Another important point raised was the misconception that Warren Buffett would buy thousands of single family homes if he could. In reality, Buffett didn't make such a bet, but this myth has sparked a trend among funds to buy properties without proper infrastructure to manage them. For companies like Chris's, this creates opportunities to buy bulk packages of properties and provide investors with inventory. Overall, the natural cycle of real estate investing continues to benefit companies in the industry. During the fire round, Chris answered questions about tenants wanting to buy a house and not paying water bills. His advice was to sell the property if making a good return, and to evict tenants who refuse to pay essential bills.

    • Effective communication and assertiveness in dealing with tenant utility billsClear communication and consequences in lease agreements help ensure tenants pay utility bills on time. Consider having bills in landlord's name to avoid collection hassles. Utilize networking and resources for private lenders when implementing buy, rehab, rent, refinance strategy.

      Effective communication and assertiveness are crucial when dealing with tenants regarding utility bills. If landlords fail to address the issue, tenants may learn to disregard their payment obligations, leading to potential financial losses. It's essential to include utility bill responsibilities in lease agreements and follow through with consequences when necessary. Additionally, landlords can consider having utility bills in their name to avoid collection hassles. Regarding the buy, rehab, rent, refinance strategy, it can be an effective way to invest in real estate with minimal upfront capital. However, it's important to understand the implications of leveraging and have a plan for the cash obtained from refinancing. Landlords should consider using shorter-term mortgages to minimize long-term expenses and keep their funds available for new projects. Finding private lenders can be challenging, but networking, building relationships, and utilizing resources like real estate investment groups can help in the search. Remember, clear communication and a solid business plan are key when approaching potential investors.

    • Finding Private Lenders through Personal Networks and PlatformsExpanding your network on platforms like BiggerPockets and personally connecting with potential investors can lead to successful deals. Ensure to research investors' track records and success before partnering.

      Finding private lenders through personal networks and platforms like BiggerPockets can yield better results than relying on a smaller group at a Real Estate Investment Association (RIA). The speaker shared his recent success story of reaching out to potential investors on BiggerPockets and initiating deals with them. He emphasized the importance of knowing the investors' track record and success before partnering with them. The speaker also mentioned the importance of staying active on the platform to expand your network and increase your chances of finding suitable lenders. Additionally, the speaker recommended two business books, "The Rockefeller Rules" and "Start with Why" by Simon Sinek, as current favorites that are influencing him. The speaker also shared his current hobby of coaching soccer with his children.

    • Surround yourself with successful people in real estateTo increase chances of success in real estate investing, surround yourself with successful individuals, learn from them, and avoid common mistakes through their guidance.

      The key to successful real estate investing isn't just about taking action, but also surrounding yourself with the right people. According to Chris, the most successful real estate investors are those who surround themselves with individuals who take action, are successful, and have a positive influence on them. This can be achieved through networking, joining communities like BiggerPockets, or through mentorship programs. By learning from those who have already achieved success, new investors can avoid common mistakes and accelerate their own growth. Overall, it's essential to remember that real estate investing involves risk, and the path to success is not always straightforward. However, by taking action, learning from experienced investors, and surrounding yourself with a supportive network, you can increase your chances of success. To learn more about Chris and his company, visit www.MemphisInvest.com or find him on BiggerPockets.

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