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    134 - Ethereum Uncensored with Justin Drake

    enAugust 29, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Ethereum's Censorship Resistance: A Crucial Component of Ultra-Sound Money and Finance SystemsEthereum, as a censorship-resistant platform, empowers individuals to become censorship resistant in money and finance through the use of core primitives and a strong community. Understanding the difference between weak and strong censorship and the role of social forks is crucial for preserving Ethereum's censorship resistance in the future.

      Ethereum, as a censorship-resistant platform, is a crucial component of creating ultra-sound money and finance systems. In this episode of Bankless, Justin Drake, one of Ethereum's top researchers, discussed the question of whether Ethereum can be censored and the measures to preserve its censorship resistance in the future. Drake emphasized the importance of understanding the difference between weak and strong censorship and the role of the community in censoring the censors through a social fork. He also highlighted the power shift towards defenders in the era of blockchains and public key cryptography, enabling individuals to become censorship resistant in money and finance. The episode explored the core primitives to put power in the hands of the defenders and how Ethereum can maintain its censorship resistance over the decades to come. Overall, this podcast aims to help everyone in the world become censorship resistant in the realm of money and finance. So, listen to the episode with Justin Drake and share your thoughts on Ethereum's censorship resistance. For premium subscribers, stick around after the show for the debrief. Thank you to Juno and Lens Protocol for sponsoring this episode.

    • Decentralized social media and censorship resistance in Web 3Decentralized platforms like Lens enable user control, while Ethereum's censorship resistance ensures credible neutrality in DeFi and NFTs, and Brave Browser offers secure control in Web 3.

      The future of social media lies in decentralized platforms where users have control over their data and relationships, rather than being controlled by apps and algorithms. Lens, a new protocol, aims to enable a thousand web 3 social apps to bloom, allowing users to take their followers and experiences with them. Censorship resistance is a crucial aspect of cryptocurrencies, including Ethereum, as it ensures transactions are valid and included on the chain, leading to economic security and utility. Ethereum's censorship resistance is a pillar to its credible neutrality, making it essential for the platform to fulfill its mission as the settlement layer for the incentive value in the interconnected world of decentralized finance (DeFi) and non-fungible tokens (NFTs). The Brave Browser, with its secure, multi-chain crypto wallet built-in, offers users more control and security in the web 3 space.

    • Ethereum's fight against economic censorshipEthereum aims to prevent economic censorship by ensuring equal access to all users through programmability, credible neutrality, and scalability. Users may experience weak or strong censorship, but the community can detect and respond to censorship events, maintaining a fair and open platform.

      The Ethereum blockchain, through its pillars of programmability, credible neutrality, and scalability, aims to provide equal access to all users, ensuring inclusion and avoiding economic censorship. Censorship, defined as economic censorship in Ethereum, occurs when valid transactions, paying the base fee, are not included in the next block due to unused gas. This objective definition allows for a binary outcome, detectable by machines and the community, ensuring transparency and accountability. Users experiencing censorship may face different outcomes, such as delayed transactions or inability to complete transactions with censored addresses or Dapps. Two types of censorship exist: weak censorship, where transactions are included with a delay due to some blocks not processing them, and strong censorship, where transactions are completely excluded. Economic censorship does not involve humans but rather the market dynamics of block space availability and unused gas. Users can set up alerts for censorship events, enabling quick community response and action. The user experience of censorship includes longer transaction times or failed transactions, leading to degraded user experience and potential exclusion from the system. The Ethereum community's focus on inclusion and equal access is crucial to the success and legitimacy of the network, ensuring a fair and open platform for all users.

    • Ethereum's Censorship Resistance Under Threat: Weak and StrongEthereum's censorship resistance, crucial for network security and neutrality, is under threat from weak and strong censorship. Attesters hold the power to enforce this censorship, weakening Ethereum's resistance.

      Ethereum's censorship resistance, a core pillar of its credible neutrality, is under threat from two forms of censorship: weak and strong. Weak censorship results in delayed inclusion of censored transactions, while strong censorship completely filters out certain transactions from the chain. The attesters, who validate and vote for blocks, hold the power to enforce this censorship. Ethereum today bundles proposing and attesting roles, but on the beacon chain, these roles have been separated. Proposers include blocks on the chain, while attesters vote for the dominant one. Attesters can vote against blocks containing specific transactions, effectively censoring them. This weakens Ethereum's censorship resistance, which is crucial for maintaining credible neutrality and securing the network. We're discussing these two forms of censorship in detail throughout the episode. It's important to note that we're primarily focusing on Ethereum's layer 1 and its censorship resistance in relation to block production. While things outside Ethereum's jurisdiction, like centralized exchanges or apps, don't have to follow Ethereum's rules, the Ethereum nation state and its jurisdiction continue to expand, making censorship resistance a spectrum with varying degrees. Ethereum's censorship resistance today is a topic of ongoing debate.

    • Ethereum's Censorship Resistance Under ThreatEthereum values censorship resistance, mitigating weak censorship with tech and preparing for potential strong censorship attacks

      Ethereum's censorship resistance, a core value of the network, is under threat from both weak and strong censorship. Weak censorship, which occurs above the protocol layer, can be mitigated with technological solutions, ensuring every transaction is included in a timely manner. However, strong censorship, which targets the Ethereum protocol itself, poses a more significant challenge. While no credible threat exists currently, the community must prepare for potential strong censorship attacks. The good news is that technology and cryptoeconomic systems can help minimize social layer involvement in recovery. Ethereum, as a decentralized "nation," values censorship resistance independently from nation-states. Strong censorship and weak censorship differ, with weak censorship occurring above the protocol layer and strong censorship targeting the protocol itself. By continuing to shift more of the block building process into layer 1, Ethereum can reduce the impact of weak censorship. Ultimately, the Ethereum community is committed to maintaining censorship resistance, both through technological solutions and a strong social layer response.

    • Ensuring censorship resistance and credible neutrality in EthereumEthereum aims to provide secure, censorship-resistant blockspace as a public good, attracting talent and innovation without permission. Weak censorship can be addressed through various mechanisms in the ecosystem.

      While individual participants in a decentralized network like Ethereum may be subject to their own jurisdictions and potentially engage in censorship at the machine consensus level, the desirability of censorship resistance and credible neutrality lies in ensuring that no single geopolitical entity can control the rules of the system. Ethereum's goal is to provide secure, censorship-resistant blockspace as a public good, attracting talent and innovation without the need for permission. Weak censorship, such as longer wait times or higher gas fees for certain transactions, can be addressed through various mechanisms in the Ethereum ecosystem, including RPC endpoint providers and individual block proposers. Understanding the importance of censorship resistance and credible neutrality is crucial for the long-term vision of Ethereum as a global, decentralized platform.

    • Addressing censorship in EthereumThe Ethereum community is tackling censorship through initiatives like phasing out relays, decentralizing interfaces, and decentralizing data indexing.

      The Ethereum block production pipeline is complex, but progress is being made to mitigate censorship vectors. Searchers, who create transactions, are not a concern, and relays, currently a potential censorship point, will be phased out with protocol builder separation. Interfaces, such as MetaMask, are moving towards decentralization with in-browser clients and decentralized storage solutions like IPFS and Filecoin. Additionally, projects like The Graph aim to decentralize data indexing. A DAO could potentially curate and maintain these decentralized front-end solutions. Overall, while there is still work to be done, the Ethereum community is actively addressing censorship concerns through these various initiatives.

    • Maintaining Decentralization with Ethereum's Lite ClientsLite clients enable users to quickly sync with Ethereum's head, bypass censorship, and access important DeFi apps. Strategies like altruistic self-building and MEV smoothing further enhance censorship resistance.

      Ethereum's lite clients offer a way for users to achieve censorship resistance and maintain a sovereign vision of the Ethereum chain, even when centralized front ends or RPC providers may be censoring transactions. These lite clients help users sync up to the head of the chain quickly and efficiently, and then make queries to access the full state of Ethereum. This allows users to bypass potential censorship from centralized providers and maintain access to important DeFi applications like Uniswap or Tornado Cash. Additionally, users can build their own blocks through a strategy called altruistic self-building, which can help improve censorship resistance and credible neutrality. Another approach to addressing potential censorship from proposers and validators is through MEV smoothing, which aims to distribute mining rewards more evenly and reduce the incentive for centralization. Overall, these strategies offer ways for Ethereum users to maintain decentralization and access important applications, even in the face of potential censorship.

    • MEV Smoothing and CR Lists: Decentralizing Ethereum's Block Building ProcessMEV smoothing restricts proposers to choose only the most profitable block, while CR lists enable them to include censored transactions without financial loss, promoting decentralization and preventing potential market centralization

      Ethereum's MEV (Maximal Extractable Value) and weak censorship resistance are interconnected, leading to the concept of MEV smoothing and censorship resistance lists (CR lists). MEV smoothing is a binary system where proposers have little choice but to accept the most economically paying block or lose all MEV rewards. CR lists allow proposers to include transactions they believe are being censored without financial loss, ensuring blocks remain economically viable. Proposers can advertise these transactions before their slot, imposing a constraint on builders to include them or risk an invalid block. This empowers proposers, or Ethereum stakers, to decentralize the block building process and prevent potential centralization in the market.

    • Innovations for a more secure, decentralized, and efficient Ethereum networkSolo stakers enforce inclusion of transactions, MEV smoothing ensures fair block auctions, and encrypted mempool prevents censorship, enhancing Ethereum's block building process

      Ethereum's block building process is being enhanced through various mechanisms to ensure decentralization, prevent censorship, and improve market efficiency. Solo stakers have the power to accept only blocks with specific transactions, creating a forcing mechanism for all transactions to be included. MEV smoothing aims to remove discretionary power from proposals by asking attesters to only attest to the highest paying bid, ensuring a fair block auction. The next layer is the encrypted mempool, which prevents censorship by encrypting transactions before broadcasting, keeping their contents hidden during the block building process. These innovations aim to create a more secure, decentralized, and efficient Ethereum network.

    • Fortifying Ethereum against censorshipEthereum is working on multiple solutions to remove weak censorship, including encryption, proposal irrelevance, and self-building transactions, aiming to make transactions unstoppable once verified. Scaling solutions like Arbitrum provide fast and cheap transactions, enabling new DeFi and NFT opportunities.

      Ethereum is working on various technological solutions to address weak censorship, which can delay transactions but not prevent them. These solutions include encryption, removing the relevance of proposals, and self-building transactions. The end goal is to effectively remove weak censorship, making it impossible for transactions to be prevented from being included in a block once they can be verified. This process is like fortifying a castle with multiple defenses and can be thought of as a divide and conquer strategy. The timeline for these solutions is not clear, but the belief is that the technology exists to completely remove weak censorship. Each attack on Ethereum's weak censorship only makes the network stronger, accelerating the inevitable total hardening against censorship. Additionally, Ethereum scaling solutions like Arbitrum offer fast transactions with cheap fees and increased security, allowing users to explore new frontiers of DeFi and NFTs.

    • Boost Ethereum staking yields with Rocket Pool and ZkSyncRocket Pool lets Ethereum stakers earn extra rewards and commissions by becoming node operators, while ZkSync is a high-performance layer 2 network pushing the boundaries of decentralized applications.

      Rocket Pool offers a unique opportunity for Ethereum stakers to boost their yields by allowing them to stake their ETH and use it in DeFi at the same time. By becoming a node operator in the Rocket Pool network, stakers can earn additional rewards and commissions. Rocket Pool is an accessible staking provider that allows anyone to join their network of Ethereum validating nodes, making it easier than running a solo node. ZkSync, on the other hand, is a layer 2 Ethereum network pushing the boundaries of high-performance blockchains. It's seen as the future foundation for building crypto applications, with its 0-knowledge roll-ups enabling the best user experience possible. Regarding censorship, it's a complex issue with two aspects: prevention and recovery. Strong censorship, or permanent censorship, is a type of 51% attack where the economic majority compromises the liveness of the Ethereum chain. Preventative measures include making it extremely difficult to launch such an attack, while recovery involves forking away and censoring the censor. The recovery process can be automated up to 80%, but human intervention is required for confirmation. Understanding these concepts is crucial for maintaining the security and decentralization of Ethereum.

    • Maintaining Ethereum's censorship resistance through diversityEncouraging validators from multiple jurisdictions, having a plurality of staking pools, and supporting DAOs like Lido and Rocket Pool helps ensure Ethereum's censorship resistance by making it harder for any single entity to exert control over the network.

      Ensuring Ethereum's censorship resistance requires focus on diversity at various levels. This includes jurisdictional diversity, operator diversity, and geographical diversity. By encouraging validators from multiple jurisdictions, we make it harder for any single nation state to exert control over the network. Similarly, having a plurality of staking pools, each difficult to coerce, reduces the impact of coercion and maintains censorship resistance. Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs) like Lido and Rocket Pool, which operate as their own jurisdictions, are preferred choices for staking. The social layer plays a crucial role in this battle for diversity, as it's not something that can be designed into the protocol. By fostering a globally distributed network of Ethereum validators and stakers, we create an entity that exists beyond the control of any nation state.

    • Preventing Ethereum Censorship through Education, Deterrence, and Activist StakingEthereum community can foster a staking culture, rebalance stake to maintain decentralization, and use activist staking as a form of protest against censorship. Proof of stake offers stronger censorship resistance than proof of work, but recovery requires forking off and creating a non-censored version of Ethereum.

      The Ethereum community can take preventative measures against censorship attacks through various means, primarily focusing on social education, deterrence, and activist staking. These measures include fostering a culture of staking, rebalancing stake to maintain a decentralized network, and even unstaking as a form of activism. However, it's important to note that proof of stake has stronger censorship resistance than proof of work in most aspects, but there's a downside: activist staking does not help with recovery. In the event of a censorship attack, the community may need to fork off and create a non-censored version of Ethereum. This is a complex process and requires coordination among the minority. The focus should be on preventative measures to maintain Ethereum's decentralization and resist censorship.

    • Automatic Ethereum Forks: Censorship Response or Complex Process?The possibility of an automatic Ethereum fork as a response to censorship involves code that automatically creates a fork when censorship is detected, but the process requires online observation of the mempool and human intervention for validation and enforcement, leading to two separate Ethereum chains and a complex, messy process.

      The discussion revolves around the possibility of an automatic fork in the Ethereum blockchain as a response to censorship. This would involve code that automatically creates a fork when censorship is detected. However, there are limitations to this approach, including the need for online observation of the mempool and the involvement of the social layer to validate and enforce the fork. The process of detecting censorship and creating a fork can be done automatically for full nodes, but the involvement of clients and the social layer requires a more manual approach. The outcome of such a fork would result in two separate Ethereum chains, with the community and market deciding which one to support. This is not a new concept, as seen in past forks with Bitcoin and Ethereum. The goal is to maintain credible neutrality and allow the minority to opt out from the tyranny of the majority. However, the social and human intensive nature of forking makes it a complex and messy process. The ultimate goal is to streamline the process as much as possible through both code and social layer protocols.

    • The uncensored version of Ethereum may be adopted due to the social layer's ability to shift the marketThe uncensored Ethereum can be facilitated by a neutral schedule for forks, education, infrastructure, and the threat of a fork acting as a deterrent.

      The uncensorable version of Ethereum, despite potential challenges, has the potential to be adopted due to the social layer's ability to debate, lobby, and gradually shift the market towards uncensored versions. This process can be facilitated by setting a credibly neutral schedule for forks and allowing for a graceful wind down of projects that choose the censored version. The threat of a fork acting as a preventative mechanism also deters potential censors. Education and infrastructure play a crucial role in this process by acting as deterrents and facilitating the transition towards uncensored versions of Ethereum. Ultimately, the goal is to design systems that provide an exit hatch even in the face of malicious actors, ensuring the decentralized nature of Ethereum remains intact.

    • Decentralized nature and cryptoeconomic incentives make censorship difficult in EthereumEthereum's decentralized structure and cryptoeconomic incentives make censorship and manipulation difficult, with potential penalties for attackers and community power to enforce integrity.

      The decentralized nature of cryptocurrencies, specifically Ethereum, makes it difficult for attackers to successfully censor or manipulate the network due to the potential for retaliation and financial penalties. This is because any attempt at censorship puts the attacker in a precarious position, as they can be forked off and penalized by the community. The use of staking as a means of securing the network adds an additional layer of protection, as those who stake their coins have a financial incentive to uphold the integrity of the network. However, there is still a risk for retail investors who stake their coins with centralized providers. In such cases, education and lead time are crucial to minimize potential losses. Additionally, the costs of delegation, including fees and the risk of insider or outsider attacks, should be carefully considered. The community also has the power to penalize bad actors through soft forks, further deterring potential attacks. Overall, the decentralized and cryptoeconomic incentives built into cryptocurrencies make it a robust and resilient system, making censorship or manipulation a difficult and costly proposition.

    • Penalties for malicious actions in Ethereum stakingIn Ethereum's proof of stake system, validators face penalties like inactivity leaks and stake slashing for attacking the network, deterring bad actors and maintaining network integrity.

      When it comes to the Ethereum blockchain and the staking process, there are consequences for malicious actions. If a validator attempts to attack the network, they could face penalties such as inactivity leaks and complete slashing of their stake. These penalties are only possible in a proof of stake system and serve as a deterrent for bad actors. Coinbase, as the largest staking provider in the US, has publicly stated that they would rather discontinue their business than engage in censorship. Ultimately, the defender holds the power in these situations, and any attempt at attack is an unstable equilibrium. When you stake your ether on Ethereum, you are giving up some property rights and agreeing to abide by the rules and laws of the Ethereum protocol. These penalties are designed to maintain the integrity of the network and ensure that decentralization is upheld. It's important for stakeholders to understand these risks and the potential consequences of their actions.

    • Selecting Staking Service Providers: Weighing Security and ConvenienceRetail investors must carefully choose staking providers, balancing security and convenience. Solo staking with personal keys offers the best security but requires high deposit and technical expertise. Centralized providers ease entry but relinquish control and risk alignment.

      When participating in Ethereum staking, it's crucial for retail investors to carefully select their staking service providers. The responsibility for the security and alignment with the Ethereum protocol lies with the staker. Staking involves surrendering property rights to the Ethereum network, and the risk can be mitigated only through solo staking with one's own keys. However, delegating staking to a centralized provider forfeits this risk minimization aspect. Solo staking is becoming more accessible and efficient with advancements like propose builder separation, MEV smoothing, anti-slashing hardware, single slot finality, and statelessness. These improvements aim to make solo staking almost effortless and cost-effective. Additionally, technologies like dvt and secret shared validators, dynamic deposit sizes, and variable deposit sizes are expected to lower the entry barrier for becoming a validator. Despite the progress, the significant hurdle for solo staking remains the high deposit requirement of 32 ETH. However, as Ethereum's value continues to grow, this requirement may become less prohibitive. It's also worth noting that the benefits of decentralization may not be fully realized until a major "tail risk event" occurs, highlighting the importance of solo staking for censorship resistance. Ethereum's positioning for a strong censorship attack remains a strategic concern, emphasizing the importance of individual stakeholders' commitment to decentralization.

    • Building Trust and Understanding in Ethereum CommunityEducation is essential in the short term, prioritizing security research and implementing security defenses are crucial in the medium term, and writing censorship resistance into Ethereum's social contract is vital for the long term.

      While we have the technological capability to defend against weak censorship attacks on Ethereum, the strategy for dealing with strong censorship requires a different approach. In the short term, education is key to building trust and understanding in the community. In the medium term, implementing security defenses and prioritizing research is essential. Ethereum needs to remain competitive by focusing on features, but also front-load security research. Long-term, it's crucial to write censorship resistance into Ethereum's social contract. Bitcoin has an advantage in weak censorship resistance due to its simpler transaction system, but in terms of strong censorship, Ethereum and Bitcoin are similarly vulnerable. The key difference lies in the economic majority and the diversity of hash rate distribution. Education, prioritizing security research, and maintaining diversity are crucial steps to ensure Ethereum's censorship resistance.

    • Bitcoin vs Ethereum: Censorship Resistance ApproachesBitcoin relies on hash rate for censorship resistance but is vulnerable to 51% attacks. Ethereum is more resilient due to its decentralized nature and community's ability to perform manual recovery in case of attacks. Ethereum researcher Justin Drake expects weak censorship resistance perfection within 5-10 years and strong resistance already in place.

      Bitcoin and Ethereum have different approaches to censorship resistance. Bitcoin's censorship resistance relies on its hash rate and the economic security it provides. However, if a powerful entity manages to acquire 51% of the hash rate, they could potentially censor transactions. Ethereum, on the other hand, has a different solution. It is more resilient to censorship due to its decentralized nature and the ability for the community to perform manual recovery in case of a 51% attack. Justin Drake, a researcher at the Ethereum Foundation, expressed confidence that Ethereum will be close to perfection in terms of weak censorship within 5 to 10 years. He also believes that Ethereum is already extremely resilient to strong censorship. The community is working on making this explicit through code and articulating the desire to preserve censorship resistance. If Ethereum were to be attacked before these defenses are in place, the community would be willing to perform a manual recovery. To get involved in preserving censorship resistance, consider joining the solo staking community and donating to crypto lobby groups fighting for our rights in various jurisdictions. Remember, crypto is risky and it's important to be aware of the potential losses. But the potential rewards make it worth the journey.

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    https://x.com/SethHertlein/status/1799102535459877201 

    52:15 Gary Continues Taking Ls 
    https://x.com/MinarikLaw/status/1805715857030439306  
    https://x.com/EleanorTerrett/status/1806334142432293142 
    https://x.com/milesjennings/status/1806354239092080665 
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1806303516694122663 
    https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/06/27/coinbase-accuses-us-sec-fdic-of-improperly-blocking-document-requests/ 

    56:39 Winklevoss twins donated $2M in BTC to Trump’s campaign 
    https://x.com/tyler/status/1803872859938549920 

    59:10 Raises and BVC Investments  
    https://x.com/hotpot_dao/status/1806357081231909168 
    https://x.com/KAndrewHuang/status/1805632313759514783 

    1:01:47 Voting on Bankless Nation podcast suggestions starts today! 
    https://www.jokerace.io/contest/base/0x0bac0ec9b6aeafa6c2212f67a67950940eda63a7 

    1:03:34 July schedule…
    https://lu.ma/k0amrrnz 
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1805381346510225776 

    1:04:58 Meme of the Week
    https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1806326930477654147  

    1:05:43 Closing & Disclosures

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    enJune 28, 2024

    PleasrDAO Releases Secret Wu-Tang Album | Leighton Cusack & Matt Metkov

    PleasrDAO Releases Secret Wu-Tang Album | Leighton Cusack & Matt Metkov

    David is joined by Leighton Cusack and Matt Metkov, two members of PleasrDAO, the organization that owns and is releasing the Wu-Tang Album. 

    The Wu-Tang Clan created a unique album, “Once Upon a Time in Shaolin,” to combat music’s devaluation in the digital age. It was bought by Martin Shkreli in 2015, who later lost it due to a fraud conviction. In 2021, PleasrDAO, a crypto collective, purchased the album to restore its value and make it accessible to the public, promoting fairer digital ownership in the Web3 era.

    Hear how you can own the most exclusive music album and help support the movement. 

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    9:09 What’s Special About This Album?
    11:13 One-Off Event Or New Path For Artists?
    14:24 Music Scenario: 2014 vs. Now?
    17:41 Music Renting VS Collecting/Ownership 
    22:25 How To Own The Album?
    26:47 Rights & Collaboration 
    28:07 Rethinking Music Distribution 
    31:02 Magnitude Of Album Release
    32:47 Why Crypto People Should Care?
    34:56 David On The Album Songs
    38:05 Where To Own The Album?
    40:16 Sales & Record-Breaking Week
    43:48 Closing & Disclosures

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    enJune 27, 2024

    Is Crypto Still in a Bull Run? | RSA+DH

    Is Crypto Still in a Bull Run? | RSA+DH

    Is the crypto bull market over? The crypto sentiment has suddenly flipped bearish. The skeptics are saying that the ETH ETF will amount to nothing. Gox will dump on you. There are no new crypto use cases. There’s too much token supply. The bearish list goes on.

    So what gives? Is this just summertime slowness or is the bull market over?

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    1:15 Current Market Sentiment
    https://x.com/splitcapital/status/1805346083981201775 
    https://x.com/biancoresearch/status/1805341535967527200 
    https://x.com/SplitCapital/status/1805349168229367936 
    https://x.com/cryptobran_/status/1805331025905729983 
    https://x.com/mrjasonchoi/status/1804107651854594071 
    https://x.com/tmnxeq/status/1804913082571071679

    12:49 ETH ETF is Bearish
    https://x.com/Rewkang/status/1804735595111211104

    16:26 Gox will Dump on You 
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1805168222645244311 
    https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1804138577204289900

    19:20 No New Crypto Use Cases
    https://x.com/0xCygaar/status/1801667353207521364 
    https://x.com/divine_economy/status/1802510497633198565 
    https://x.com/milesdeutscher/status/1800190273517211699

    26:09 Any Bulls Left? 
    https://x.com/econoar/status/1805447135141544280 
    https://x.com/milesdeutscher/status/1805249025643581761 
    https://x.com/fejau_inc/status/1805242741494005780     
    https://x.com/intangiblecoins/status/1805244957252284916 
    https://x.com/intangiblecoins/status/1805244973261914582 
    https://x.com/pythianism/status/1805608579422208061 
    https://x.com/pythianism/status/1804987849059787113 
    https://x.com/iamDCinvestor/status/1804998114090389795 
    https://x.com/cburniske/status/1805308535611502763 
    https://imgur.com/DXcyjMS

    43:27  Closing & Disclosures

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    enJune 26, 2024

    The Case for Authoritarianism | Vitalik Buterin & Noah Smith

    The Case for Authoritarianism | Vitalik Buterin & Noah Smith

    What if the information anarchy of the internet spells the downfall of liberalism?

    Economist Noah Smith and Ethereum Founder Vitalik Buterin join us for a fascinating discussion on why Authoritarianism might be the answer to the current information warfare. Yes, you heard that right.

    We start the episode by defining liberalism, how it has brought excessive polarization and why totalitarianism might be the only solution left. We then steelman the case against this same argument and how blockchains and crypto could play a role in all this.

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    8:53 Defining Liberalism
    21:50 Information Warfare
    42:17 Summarizing the Argument
    55:09 Could the Thesis be Wrong?
    1:11:12 Information Leviathans
    1:34:13 The Role of Blockchains
    1:38:22 Closing & Disclaimers

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    https://x.com/VitalikButerin  

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    https://x.com/Noahpinion  

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    enJune 25, 2024

    Why We Should Fight for Freedom of Speech | Greg Lukianoff

    Why We Should Fight for Freedom of Speech | Greg Lukianoff

    Why should we fight for Freedom of Speech?

    That’s the question that Free Speech Lawyer and Writer Greg Lukianoff helps us answer today.

    Using first principles, Greg goes deep into the importance of Freedom of Speech, “Free Speech Culture”, what happens to Free Speech when new technologies like the printing press and the internet are introduced, and how all this intersects with blockchains and crypto.

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    6:19 Defining Free Speech
    15:59 Free Speech Origins
    19:43 The Printing Press
    37:11 The Constitution
    39:50 Free Speech Culture
    47:48 What Protects Free Speech
    55:57 Generational Differences
    1:09:17 Censorship Societies
    1:16:29 The Internet
    1:21:04 AI & Free Speech
    1:23:04 Web2 Censorship
    1:27:17 Freedom to Transact
    1:36:38 Privacy
    1:38:30 How to Get Involved
    1:40:49 Closing & Disclaimers

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    Greg Lukianoff
    https://x.com/glukianoff 

    The Eternally Radical Idea Newsletter
    https://greglukianoff.substack.com/  

    FIRE
    https://www.thefire.org/  

    Support FIRE Today!
    https://www.thefire.org/donate  

    The Canceling of the American Mind
    https://www.amazon.com/Canceling-American-Mind-Undermines-Threatens-ebook/dp/B0BTZT9PLM/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=8-1  

    Free Speech: A History from Socrates to Social Media 
    https://www.amazon.com/Free-Speech-History-Socrates-Social/dp/1541600495/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1  

    Revolution in the Age of Social Media
    https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Age-Social-Media-Insurrection-ebook/dp/B00GVZJWAM  

    Free Speech, The People's Darling Privilege
    https://www.amazon.com/Free-Speech-Peoples-Darling-Privilege/dp/0822325292  

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    enJune 24, 2024

    ROLLUP: ETH Beats SEC! | Trump Coin? | LayerZero Token | ETH ETF Trading Soon

    ROLLUP: ETH Beats SEC! | Trump Coin? | LayerZero Token | ETH ETF Trading Soon

    Bankless Friday Weekly Rollup 
    3rd Week of June 2024


    The SEC drops all charges against Ethereum 2.0—could it now be recognized as a commodity? Plus, hints surface about the launch date of the ETH ETF!


    Airdrop season is still alive and well! LayerZero and zkSync tokens launched recently. Find out if you’re eligible and the market’s reaction.


    And, did Baron Trump really launch a DJT memecoin on Solana? We unpack the latest buzz and drama. Tune in for all the details and so much more!


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    0:00 Intro


    2:55 MARKET
    https://x.com/WhalePanda/status/1802958996392870368 
    https://www.theblock.co/data/crypto-markets/bitcoin-etf/spot-bitcoin-etf-flows 
    https://x.com/CryptoDonAlt/status/1802743515941609572 
    https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=AMEX%3ASPY 
    https://x.com/saylor/status/1803763490928119950 


    9:35 ETH Price & ETH ETF Going Live 
    https://x.com/EricBalchunas/status/1801725292404261308 


    13:03 Total Crypto Market Cap


    13:46 L2Beat
    https://dune.com/hildobby/blobs 
    https://dune.com/sealaunch/dex-metrics-on-base?Select+Date+Granularity_ed0f38=week&Select+Timeframe_ed47bb=365 
    https://imgur.com/YuXZfAv 
    https://x.com/WazzCrypto/status/1803858912166449480 
    https://twitter.com/wbnns/status/1803217959479025857 
     
    18:40 Combo ETH + BTC ETF
    https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1803080047303036971 
    https://x.com/Matt_Hougan/status/1803767324605886515 
    https://x.com/matthew_sigel/status/1801342560977190937 
    https://youtu.be/T2Ur8Dhc3uQ?si=Obqn5eY89sEUEdwi 
    https://youtu.be/KUMGYEKIiGw?si=fS4pae1N_rr1f0C0  


    21:35 AIRDROP Season in full swing
    Bankless Claimables and AIrdrop Hunter
    https://www.bankless.com/claimables/reveal 
    https://x.com/LayerZero_Fndn/status/1803744985029788042 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/layerzero 
    https://x.com/LayerZero_Fndn/status/1803742303204323494 
    https://layerzero.foundation/claim 
    https://www.theblock.co/post/300389/zksync-live-mcap-airdrop 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/zksync 
    https://x.com/TheZKNation/status/1802626483770265991 
    https://x.com/TheZKNation/status/1801378349442269345 
    https://docs.zknation.io/zk-token/zk-token-faq 
    https://x.com/nansen_ai/status/1803003153820082270  
    https://x.com/cobie/status/1803071393484939602 


    31:58 MOTHER + DADDY Update 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/mother-iggy 
    https://x.com/IGGYAZALEA 
    https://x.com/jimcramer/status/1800893795346637193 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/daddy-tate 


    37:21 What’s going on with $DJT? 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/trumpcoin-2 
    https://x.com/PirateWires/status/1802825492405669930 
    https://www.newsweek.com/crypto-djt-barron-trump-martin-shkreli-1915147 
    https://x.com/ArkhamIntel/status/1803161788164288875 
    https://x.com/ArkhamIntel/status/1803471430727901455 
    https://x.com/zachxbt/status/1803240784436797871 
    https://x.com/zachxbt/status/1803371615524364503 
    https://x.com/jmgramke/status/1803792368388264399 
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1803759609808564306 
    https://x.com/MartinShkreli/status/1803821631279612367 


    50:38 U.S. SEC closes investigation in Ethereum!
    https://x.com/Consensys/status/1803230653120659641 
    https://x.com/laurabrooksie1/status/1803237492130234633 
    https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1803412140289560849 
    https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1803783619997052977 


    54:30 BitWise launches a new Ethereum ad for their incoming ETH ETF 
    https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1803789737620078875 
    https://zora.co/collect/base:0x9ada0269656e7855c95f54a34d4ef94f78892038/1 


    1:00:12 Kraken exploit for 3m and some drama - vs Certik 
    https://x.com/c7five/status/1803403565865771370 
    https://x.com/P3b7_/status/1803479749005549647 
    https://x.com/tayvano_/status/1803478049280893040 
    https://x.com/sethforprivacy/status/1803520795735683528 


    1:06:34 Donald Trump wants all remaining Bitcoin to be 'Made in USA'
    https://x.com/intangiblecoins/status/1801771689249787936 


    1:08:06 Optimism & Tether Releases
    https://x.com/Optimism/status/1800974991313469445 
    https://chain.box 
    https://x.com/Alloy_tether/status/1802676443781923289 


    1:10:45 Bankless ETHCC Meetup
    https://lu.ma/k0amrrnz 


    1:12:10 Who won the ETH ETF Pitch competition? 
    https://www.jokerace.io/contest/base/0x0f2211f6727e85dbfae20e7dbfe57875a1f2b706 


    1:13:45 Another voting for Bankless Nation! 
    https://www.jokerace.io/contest/base/0x0bac0ec9b6aeafa6c2212f67a67950940eda63a7 


    1:15:38 MEME of the Week 
    https://x.com/PleasrDAO/status/1803572250278514999 


    1:16:17 Closing & Disclaimers


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    enJune 21, 2024

    Diaries of an ETH Maxi on Wall Street | Sam Jernigan

    Diaries of an ETH Maxi on Wall Street | Sam Jernigan

    Sam Jernigan, the “Unofficial ETH Maxi of Wall Street”, has been evangelizing Ethereum to institutional funds and billionaires from inside the house for the past five years.

    Having the perfect blend of deep Ethereum knowledge and the full Wall Street experience, Sam guides us through how he became an ETH Maxi, why the lack of understanding of ETH in TradFi is the most bullish case for the asset and what the future holds for ETH institutional adoption.

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    0:00 Intro
    7:47 Defining TradFi
    20:05 Ethereum’s P/E Ratio
    23:49 Sam’s Background
    40:44 Becoming an ETH Maxi
    52:57 The State of ETH in TradFi
    57:38 ETH Bull Case
    1:06:11 The Flippening
    1:12:11 ETH ETF
    1:19:26 Security vs Commodity Debate
    1:24:00 TradFi: Friend or Foe?
    1:34:39 Regulation
    1:46:07 Closing & Disclaimers

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    Sam Jernigan on X
    https://x.com/sjerniganiv  

    Sam Jernigan on LikedIn
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    enJune 19, 2024

    ETH to $22k by 2030? | VanEck's Matthew Sigel

    ETH to $22k by 2030? | VanEck's Matthew Sigel

    In this episode, David Hoffman is joined by Matthew Sigel, Head of Digital Assets Research at VanEck, to unpack VanEck's groundbreaking ETH 2030 report. They discuss the $154,000 bull case, $22,000 base case, and $340 bear case for Ethereum, and the factors behind these predictions. 

    Matthew dives deep into the role of ETH ETFs and shares insights into ETH's evolving narrative in institutional portfolios. He also provides interesting analogies and comparisons between ETH and Web 2.0, explaining how VanEck will help traditional investors understand and invest in ETH using these narratives and real market data. 

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    0:00 Intro
    7:16 VanEck Vibe Check ?
    8:11 VanEck ETH 2030 Price Prediction Report 
    12:31 Last Year’s Report vs. Present Report 
    15:10 Ethereum Narrative For Retail
    19:14 Pitching ETH To Customers
    25:15 Parameters For Bear, Base & Bull?
    28:49 What If ETH Reaches $154,000 
    32:31 ETH’s Most Bearish & Bullish Scenarios 
    33:40 Solana’s MEV vs. ETH’s MEV
    41:28  BTC & ETH Allocation In Portfolio 
    45:59 Can Data Help Matthew Convince Customers?
    49:30 $15B In ETF Assets
    50:30 Closing & Disclosures 

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    Matthew Sigel
    https://x.com/matthew_sigel 

    VanEck
    https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/ 
    https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/blogs/digital-assets/matthew-sigel-eth-2030-price-target/ 

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