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    #141 Being Productive, Authentic and Vulnerable with Ali Abdaal

    enMarch 16, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Understanding motivations for actions, including social statusAcknowledging motivations, such as social status, can lead to authenticity and productivity

      Our motivations for actions, whether personal or professional, can be multifaceted and may include elements of acquiring social status. Michelle Norris, the host of "Your Mom's Kitchen" podcast, shared her experience of using Airbnb to entertain guests in her home while traveling, reflecting on the potential value of one's home. She also discussed the book "The Status Game," which explores how individuals strive for social status in various ways, often unconsciously. In a conversation with productivity guru and YouTuber Ali Abdaal on "Doctor's Kitchen" podcast, they touched upon the topic of authenticity and vulnerability. Ali, who shares his personal and business life openly on YouTube, emphasized the importance of being transparent about one's intentions, even if they include personal gains. By acknowledging and understanding our motivations, we can be more authentic and productive in our actions.

    • Exploring new interests and projects for personal growth and funDiversifying interests can lead to personal growth and joy, even if the returns are low or outside of your core business.

      Having a diverse range of interests and projects can lead to personal growth and fun, even if the margins are low or the focus is outside of your core business. Dr. Rupy Aujla, the host of the Doctor's Kitchen podcast, shared his experiences of expanding from educational content to fashion and product design. He acknowledged the business advice of staying focused, but found joy in exploring new areas. During the conversation, he also shared a simple and healthy recipe for squash and salmon tray bake with miso chilli, which he recommended for someone like Ali, who is new to healthy eating and has limited culinary skills. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of finding joy in various aspects of life and business, and the power of design in creating aesthetically pleasing products and environments.

    • Embracing authenticity despite societal normsAuthenticity leads to a more fulfilling life, even if it goes against societal norms. Focus on health and well-being for a happier life.

      Being authentic to oneself, even if it's unconventional or polarizing, can lead to a unique and valuable connection with an audience. The speaker in this conversation shares how he has embraced his "soft and gentle" personality and Disney-loving hobbies, which resonates with some viewers and sets him apart from others. He found that trying to conform to a masculine image felt inauthentic and less enjoyable. The influence of Naval Ravikant, a thought leader he discovered a few years ago, has played a significant role in his journey towards authenticity. Ravikant's teachings about the importance of money, health, and happiness, and the order in which people prioritize them, have inspired the speaker to focus on his health and well-being. Overall, the speaker's message is that being true to oneself, even if it goes against societal norms, can lead to a more fulfilling and authentic life.

    • Finding joy in work through intrinsic motivationBalancing external and internal motivators can increase productivity and well-being. Intrinsic motivation comes from enjoying the task itself, not just the rewards.

      Finding ways to make work feel enjoyable and intrinsically motivating can significantly increase productivity and overall well-being. This concept, known as intrinsic motivation, is backed by a substantial body of evidence. When we're children, we do things because they're fun, and as we grow up, we often lose sight of that and prioritize external rewards. However, research shows that extrinsic motivators can actually hinder intrinsic motivation and diminish the joy of doing the task. The speaker's personal experience aligns with this research, as they found that when they turned their hobby into a source of income, the joy of creating content was replaced by a sense of obligation. The speaker's upbringing in Lesotho, a country where they felt normal despite being in the minority due to their skin color, shaped their perspective on life and helped them maintain a sense of joy and curiosity. Overall, the key takeaway is to strive for a balance between external and internal motivators, and to remember that the joy and intrinsic value of a task can be just as important as any external rewards.

    • Child's career choices influenced by cultural background and early experiencesCultural background and early experiences can shape a child's career choices, sometimes leading them down unexpected paths.

      Cultural background and exposure to certain professions can significantly influence a child's career choices. The interviewee, growing up with Asian parents surrounded by doctors, naturally assumed medicine was the only prestigious and viable career path. However, it wasn't until later in adolescence that they consciously considered other options, like computer science. Early experiences with ICT classes and online role-playing games sparked an interest in technology, leading the interviewee to explore the possibility of a career in coding. Ultimately, the decision to pursue medicine was influenced by societal expectations, personal validation, and the belief that a university education would provide a more enriching experience than a shorter computer science degree. While the official reason given for choosing medicine was the altruistic aspect, the interviewee's personal motivations were more complex.

    • The pursuit of financial freedom fueled the speaker's entrepreneurial journeyThe desire to make money and achieve financial independence drove the speaker to explore various ways to earn online, from building websites to creating games, ultimately shaping their career path.

      The desire to make money played a significant role in shaping the speaker's entrepreneurial journey, which began when they discovered PHP and realized they could make websites and games. This led them to explore various ways to make money online, starting with building websites for others. While some of their early ventures failed, the experience was valuable and fueled their determination to find financial independence. The speaker's drive to make money was influenced by their desire to acquire tech and the excitement of creating something and getting paid for it. They were inspired by the idea of passive income and the potential to combine it with their future career in medicine. Overall, the speaker's story illustrates how the pursuit of financial freedom and the desire to make money can be a powerful motivator in one's personal and professional growth.

    • Unexpected setbacks and mistakes as learning experiencesIdentify strengths and passions, apply 4 Hour Workweek principles to build a business, and turn initial disappointments into opportunities for growth.

      Setbacks and mistakes can serve as valuable learning experiences and catalysts for success. The speaker shares a story about buying a used MacBook that turned out to be much older than expected, resulting in the loss of his entire savings. Instead of letting this setback defeat him, he used it as motivation to start a business teaching students for the BMAT entrance exam and creating a question bank for them. This business, called 6 Med, became successful and helped him earn a significant income while he was still in med school. The experience taught him the importance of identifying strengths and passions, and applying the principles of the 4 Hour Workweek to build a business. Despite the initial disappointment, the speaker was able to turn the situation around and create something sustainable and profitable.

    • From adversity comes growthExperiencing setbacks can lead to new opportunities and personal growth. Embrace adversity and use it as a chance to learn and build resilience.

      Adversity can lead to unexpected opportunities and growth. The speaker shares his experience of losing £1,000 in a business scam, which initially felt devastating. However, he turned it into a learning experience and applied the principles from the 4-hour work week to build a successful business. Looking back, he sees this moment as a defining one that shaped his life. In a similar vein, during his time in med school, the speaker found that his identity was tied to academic success. When he no longer excelled academically, he felt the need to diversify and build other aspects of himself, leading him to explore new hobbies and develop confidence. These experiences demonstrate the potential for adversity to lead to personal growth and the importance of resilience.

    • From seeking external validation to finding intrinsic fulfillmentAs we grow, our motivations shift from external validation to personal enjoyment. Consistently meeting external expectations can lead to burnout, so prioritize activities that bring joy and fulfillment, and consider setting up systems to manage commitments.

      As we grow and gain more self-confidence, our motivations for engaging in activities shift from seeking external validation to finding intrinsic fulfillment. For instance, someone might initially want to dress well to be liked by others, but later, they might do it because they find it cool. Similarly, having multiple hobbies could be driven by a desire to impress others in the past, but now, it's about personal enjoyment. It's essential to distinguish between doing things for good content and doing them because we genuinely want to. Consistency and meeting external expectations can lead to burnout, and it's crucial to prioritize activities that bring us excitement and joy. Additionally, being a creator blurs the lines between work and life, making it more challenging to separate the two. To avoid overcommitting and becoming a people pleaser, consider setting up systems, such as delegating your calendar to someone else, to help manage your commitments and prioritize your time for what truly matters to you.

    • Trying out a free trial can lead to valuable relationshipsOffering a trial period for potential assistants or collaborators can lead to valuable and long-term partnerships. Embrace the role of a guide rather than a guru to feel comfortable with labels and focus on the value you bring to others.

      Offering a trial period for a potential assistant or collaboration can lead to valuable and long-term relationships. This was demonstrated through the speaker's experience with their first assistant Elizabeth, who started working for them for free and eventually became a core member of their team. This strategy can be effective for both parties, as the speaker gains an assistant and Elizabeth gains valuable experience and potential career growth. Additionally, the speaker discussed their feelings about being referred to as a productivity expert. While they initially felt uneasy about the label, they came to embrace it by redefining their role as a guide rather than a guru. This shift in mindset allowed them to feel more comfortable with the label and focus on sharing their knowledge and experiences with others. Imposter syndrome was also addressed, with the speaker sharing advice they received from a book coach to embrace the role of a guide rather than a guru. This mindset shift allowed them to feel more comfortable with the label and focus on the value they can bring to others. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of offering trials for potential collaborations, embracing labels, and focusing on the value one can bring to others.

    • From feeling outclassed to academic successPersistence, effective learning strategies, and a growth mindset can lead to success in various aspects of life.

      Utilizing evidence-based study methods and consistently applying learned strategies can lead to academic success, even in subjects perceived as less competitive. The speaker, Ali Abdaal, shares his experience of going from feeling outclassed in his third year at Cambridge to ranking second in his psychology year group by applying the study tips he had learned. He emphasizes the importance of optimizing productivity in various areas of life and using one's platform, such as YouTube, to share knowledge and connect with a larger audience. Despite the challenges, like clickbait titles and misrepresentations, the potential rewards, like reaching a larger audience and making a positive impact, can outweigh the negatives. Overall, the key takeaway is that persistence, effective learning strategies, and a growth mindset can lead to success in various aspects of life.

    • Creating rules and adding accountabilityImplementing rules and adding accountability can significantly improve productivity and help achieve personal goals. Having someone to hold us accountable and setting clear rules and consequences can help make desired actions a default, leading to progress towards goals.

      Implementing rules and adding accountability can significantly improve productivity and help achieve personal goals. The speaker shares how creating a rule for himself to only watch TV as a social activity added hours to his day, and making a rule to not order takeaway when friends come over encouraged him to cook. He also mentions how getting a personal trainer and a singing teacher helped him get in shape and improve his singing, respectively. The speaker emphasizes the importance of having someone to hold us accountable and encourages setting clear rules and consequences to help make desired actions a default. By doing so, we can overcome procrastination and make progress towards our goals.

    • Identifying and using personal motivators for productivity and behavior changeRecognizing what drives individuals can boost productivity and goal achievement. Motivators can be financial, emotional, or social. Strategies to leverage them include hiring help, making pacts, or implementing consequences. Understanding individual circumstances is key to effective motivation.

      Understanding and leveraging personal motivators can significantly enhance productivity and behavior change. This can be achieved through various means, such as hiring a personal trainer or coach, setting pacts with friends, or implementing financial consequences. The key is to identify what drives individuals and use it to their advantage. Research shows that motivating factors can range from financial gains to emotional satisfaction, while demotivating factors may include ambiguity, difficulty, or lack of enjoyment. By acknowledging these influences and finding ways to amplify motivators and diminish demotivators, individuals can make progress towards their goals more effectively. The success story of the economists who lost weight by forfeiting half of their salaries to each other is a testament to the power of motivation and accountability. Ultimately, it's essential to remember that everyone is unique, and what works for one person may not work for another. Therefore, it's crucial to consider individual circumstances and tailor strategies accordingly.

    • Making behavior change fun and rewardingFinding joy in healthy habits and transparency around income can motivate behavior change and serve as a competitive advantage.

      To motivate people for behavior change, making it fun or finding ways to make it more rewarding in the short term can be effective. The speaker shares her personal experience with healthy eating, where she finds joy in cooking and sharing her creations, which serves the long-term goal of maintaining a healthy body. The speaker also discusses the influence of transparency around income and revenue, drawing inspiration from those who openly share their financial success. She believes that being open about such matters can serve as clickbait and fuel curiosity, making it a competitive advantage.

    • Transparency about income on YouTubeBeing authentic about income on YouTube can attract viewers and stand out, but it's important to acknowledge the desire for social status and strive for balance.

      Being transparent about income and financial success on YouTube can be an effective way to stand out and attract viewers, as long as it's delivered with authenticity and not in a clickbait or scammy manner. However, it's important to acknowledge the inherent desire for social status that drives us to create content, even if we're doing it for the sake of helping others. The speaker also shares his personal experience of the multifaceted reasons behind creating income-related content, including genuine helpfulness and the desire for social status. The speaker commends authenticity and acknowledges the narcissistic elements that can be present in creating and sharing such content. Ultimately, it's about finding a balance and being true to oneself while recognizing the human tendency towards status seeking.

    • Simple tips for improved healthAdd berries, prioritize hydration, walk more, focus on fiber, and journal for better health

      We all play the status game in different ways, whether it's through material possessions or rejecting them. It's important to recognize this motivation, but also to stack up other motivations for a more satisfying experience. In the realm of health, there are simple yet effective tips to improve well-being. First, add berries to your diet for their nutritional benefits and natural anti-inflammatory compounds. Second, prioritize hydration for a cognitive boost. Third, incorporate more walking into your day for overall health and an anti-inflammatory effect. Fourth, focus on fiber for gut health and various other health benefits. Lastly, consider journaling for a positive mindset and potential positive impact on the rest of your day. Remember, these tips are just one aspect of maintaining a healthy lifestyle, but they're a great starting point.

    • Embracing challenges and seeking support for personal and professional growthMaintain authenticity, engage in meaningful conversations, seek guidance, invest in self-care, and join Duffield Health and Fitness Centers for expert resources and services.

      Navigating personal and professional growth involves embracing challenges, staying true to oneself, and seeking support from resources like Duffield Health and Fitness Centers. However, in today's digital age, the call-out culture and fear of cancellation can hinder open discussions, particularly for individuals with public personas. For doctors, this can be even more complex due to professional regulations and societal expectations. Despite these challenges, it's essential to maintain authenticity and engage in meaningful conversations while being mindful of boundaries. Remember, personal growth is a continuous journey, and it's okay to seek guidance and learn from experiences along the way. Additionally, the speaker discussed the importance of self-care and investing in one's health and well-being. Joining Duffield Health, Fitness and Well-being Centers can provide access to various resources and expert services, making it an excellent investment for those looking to improve their overall health and wellness. For a limited time, new members can even enjoy a free month's membership fee. Visit naffordhealth.comforward/gyms to learn more.

    • Career Transitions and the Importance of Finding Joy in Your WorkLeaving a well-established career can bring feelings of uncertainty and potential judgment, but prioritizing joy and fulfillment is essential for long-term happiness and success.

      People, especially those with significant investments of time and energy into their careers, often grapple with the decision to leave and the potential consequences, including feelings of uncertainty and potential judgment from their community. The speaker, a former doctor, shared his experience of these thoughts and the relief he felt after making the decision to leave medicine and pursue a career in productivity. He acknowledged the potential stigma within the medical community for leaving, but also emphasized the importance of finding joy and fulfillment in one's work. The speaker also discussed his approach to balancing productivity and happiness, prioritizing fun and finding ways to make less enjoyable tasks more enjoyable. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of considering one's own happiness and fulfillment in career decisions and the potential challenges that come with leaving a well-established path.

    • Balancing work and enjoymentProductivity is about intentionally spending time on things that matter to us. Even mundane tasks can be enjoyable with the right mindset. Work doesn't have to be a grind, but an opportunity to grow and contribute. Value socializing and other activities as important as work.

      Work and productivity should not come at the expense of happiness and enjoyment of life. The speaker shares an experience of dealing with customer support during a visit from friends, feeling stuck between work and social life. He reflects on this moment, realizing that he values socializing and other activities as important as work. The speaker suggests that productivity is about intentionally spending time on things that matter to us, and that even seemingly mundane tasks can be enjoyable if we shift our mindset. He also touches on the idea that work doesn't have to be a grind, but rather an opportunity to grow and contribute. The speaker is intrigued by spiritual practices like meditation and is open to exploring their potential benefits.

    • Visualizing your future aspirations can reveal new possibilitiesVisualizing your future can help guide decisions, reveal new opportunities, and align with values. Identify what brings joy and meaning, and be open to different paths to achieve it.

      Having a clear vision of your future aspirations can help guide your decisions and reveal new possibilities. The speaker shared his experience of using visualization techniques, such as meditation and writing out detailed plans, to imagine his life in the future. He found that this exercise helped him realize that the path he was currently on was not as exciting as he had thought, and it inspired him to consider new options. The speaker also emphasized the importance of identifying what brings him joy and meaning, which for him is teaching, and being open to different ways of achieving those goals. While he identifies as agnostic about the details, he values the spiritual aspect of introspection, manifestation, and living in alignment with his values.

    • Exploring Practical Spirituality from a Skeptical PerspectiveSkeptical exploration of spirituality is valuable, especially for those without extensive resources. Questioning and critical thinking are essential, while ethical and affordable access to luxury goods can enhance our lives.

      Spirituality may not be a top priority for younger, tech-focused audiences, but it holds merit for exploration, especially from a skeptical and scientific perspective. Someone without significant wealth or resources for extensive spiritual travel and study could offer a unique perspective on practical spirituality. This unexplored territory could be an intriguing topic for further content or research. Additionally, the conversation emphasized the importance of questioning and skepticism, especially in areas like spirituality. It's crucial to approach such topics with a critical mindset, even when considering the potential benefits. Lastly, the discussion highlighted the importance of accessibility and affordability when it comes to high-end goods. Platforms like Quince offer an opportunity to enjoy luxury items at a fraction of their original cost while maintaining ethical and responsible manufacturing practices. In summary, the conversation touched on the relevance of spirituality, the importance of skepticism, and the significance of accessibility in various aspects of life.

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    Today I’m talking about statistics to do with food and health that everyone should know.


    How much it costs us every year, where it sits on the list of the biggest contributors to ill health and death globally, what the impact of good food actually is and how bad people are currently eating according to current guidelines.


    I don’t think many people appreciate these numbers. I get a lot of glossed looks whenever I talk about the impact of poor food on health outcomes, particularly with certain medical professionals. It’s often seen as an inevitability and the nonchalant nature in which we address the foundations of ill health is seen within these statistics. We all need to do better.


    There is huge potential for improved health if we simply encourage and empower people to eat well everyday and that will have a knock on effect on productivity, wealth, happiness, relationships and so on. I don’t present this idea as a panacea, but just a huge tool in our aspiration for improving wellbeing.


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