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    175: The Power of a Team to Build a Multifamily Real Estate Empire with Mike O’Connor and Matt Wood

    enMay 19, 2016

    Podcast Summary

    • Adaptability and networking in real estateBe open to new opportunities, network locally, and consider no-money-down turnkey rentals with Rent to Retirement

      Learning from this episode of the Bigger Pockets podcast is the importance of being adaptable and ready to pivot in real estate investing. Each deal may not fit neatly into the same box, and being open to new opportunities can lead to success. Another key takeaway is the power of networking and building local connections in the real estate industry. This can be done through participating in local networking groups or creating your own on the BiggerPockets platform. Lastly, there's an opportunity to invest in new construction turnkey rental properties with no money down through Rent to Retirement. This is just one example of the actionable tips and strategies shared in this episode for investors of all levels.

    • Passive real estate investing through funds or bloggingInvest passively in real estate through funds or blogging to earn income, build expertise, and contribute to community revitalization.

      Real estate investing offers various ways to get involved, even for those who prefer a more passive role. For instance, investing with a fund like Pine Financial Group allows individuals to earn passive income through lending to house flippers, with a targeted 8% preferred return and attractive profit split. This investment is secure due to senior lien holder status and a rigorous underwriting process, while also contributing to community revitalization. Another opportunity for involvement is writing for the BiggerPockets blog, which can expose individuals to a large audience and establish their expertise in real estate. The guests, Matt and Mike, came together through a shared interest in real estate and a mutual acquaintance. They analyzed over 100 properties before making their first investment, which provided valuable insights and helped them determine their investment criteria. This thorough analysis and seeking guidance from mentors were crucial steps in their successful entry into real estate investing.

    • Success in real estate investing requires action and researchResearch extensively before investing, but don't let analysis paralyze you. Jump in, learn from your first deal, and consider section 8 properties for guaranteed rent and grateful tenants.

      Taking action and doing thorough research are key to success in real estate investing. The speakers shared their experience of investing in a $65,000 house after analyzing over 100 deals and eventually settling on one that felt right. They emphasized the importance of not being paralyzed by analysis and instead, jumping in. This first deal, which they named "Aunt Jemima," turned out to be a solid investment, providing a good return and teaching them valuable lessons. They also discussed the benefits of investing in section 8 properties, which offer guaranteed rent payments from the government and tenants who are grateful for the opportunity to have a nice place to live. However, it's important to note that not all experiences with section 8 properties are positive, and investors may encounter challenges with tenants or property conditions. Overall, the speakers encouraged taking action, doing research, and being open to new opportunities.

    • Gaining experience in real estate investing through less-than-ideal deals is valuableStarting in real estate investing is important, even with imperfect deals. Regular inspections and good tenants can come from Section 8 vouchers. Proper screening and careful consideration of price and location are essential.

      Having experience in real estate investing, even if it's through a less-than-ideal first deal, is valuable. The speakers in this discussion had a positive experience with renting to tenants using Section 8 housing vouchers, as it led to regular inspections of their property and good tenants. However, they also caution that being a good landlord goes beyond just accepting Section 8 tenants and that proper screening is necessary. If they were starting over, they would be more cautious about the price they pay and the location of the property. They emphasize that getting started in real estate investing is important, even if the first deal isn't a home run. They also mention that they saw greater success when they brought in two additional partners to their team.

    • Leveraging partnerships for larger real estate investmentsCollaborating with partners can help overcome limiting beliefs and spread risks in larger real estate investments

      Expanding your real estate investments doesn't have to be a solo endeavor. In December 2013, Matt and Josh discovered a great deal on a 32-unit apartment complex, but they initially hesitated, as they had only previously invested in single family homes. They sought advice from Eric Halvorsen, who introduced them to the concept of trading up in real estate. Despite Eric having larger deals available, Matt and Josh weren't ready. However, they eventually decided to take the leap and bring in two more partners, Aziz and Kieran, to help make the larger investment possible. The 32-unit complex, which was situated in a rent-controlled neighborhood, was purchased for $640,000 and had units renting for around $4.50 to $4.85 per month. The partnership allowed them to spread the risk and bring in more expertise, ultimately making the larger investment a success. This experience demonstrates the importance of collaboration and overcoming limiting beliefs when pursuing larger real estate opportunities.

    • Impact of Rent Control on Multifamily Real Estate InvestmentsRent control regulations can limit potential profits but strategic partnerships and refinancing can help investors expand their portfolio

      Rent control regulations can significantly impact the pricing and potential profitability of multifamily real estate investments. In the discussed example, a charity-owned property in Atlanta was acquired with rent control regulations in place, limiting the rent that could be charged for certain units based on income levels. The new owners were able to increase rents on some units while keeping others at the lower regulated prices, leading to a full occupancy within a few months. However, the potential for refinancing and extracting equity from the property was a motivating factor for expanding their investment portfolio. When presented with an opportunity to invest in a larger 100-unit deal, they initially thought it was out of reach due to the large investment required, but with the right partnerships and financing, they were able to make it a reality. This experience highlights the importance of understanding the financial implications of rent control regulations and the potential for growth through strategic partnerships and refinancing.

    • Scaling a real estate business through creativity and partnershipsLeverage relationships, infrastructure, and creative financing to grow from one property to 100 units. Identify opportunities on both income and expense sides of the profit and loss statement. Pay attention to tax assessments and phase in rent increases and renovations.

      Creativity and partnerships can help real estate investors scale their business. The speakers shared their experience of growing from one property to 100 units by leveraging existing relationships, infrastructure, and creative financing. They emphasized the importance of identifying opportunities on both the income and expense sides of the property's profit and loss statement. They also learned valuable lessons, such as paying attention to tax assessments and the importance of phasing in rent increases and renovations. The speakers are still consulting while also actively investing in real estate and growing their portfolio.

    • Using technology to enhance real estate team communication and collaborationEffective communication through apps like WhatsApp, Evernote, and Dropbox, and understanding team roles, leads to successful real estate investing teams, even with full-time jobs. Building passive income streams is the ultimate goal.

      Effective communication and collaboration through technology are crucial for the success of a real estate investing team. The team discussed their extensive use of apps like WhatsApp, Evernote, and Dropbox to stay connected and manage their properties efficiently, despite having full-time jobs. They also emphasized the importance of having a financial cushion through their dual income to secure better financing and reduce reliance on rents. The team's ultimate goal is to build passive income streams to the point where they can eventually transition away from their jobs. The power of their team lies in understanding each other's strengths and weaknesses, and using technology to streamline their processes. WhatsApp, in particular, is a free group text messaging application that allows them to share information, pictures, and videos in real-time, making communication more efficient and effective. By dividing roles based on properties, the team is able to manage multiple properties without stepping on each other's toes and ensuring a 360-degree view of the business.

    • Communication and collaboration are essential for real estate partnershipsClear chain of command, staying informed, regular meetings, multiple intelligent perspectives, scaling quickly, and effective communication are crucial for successful real estate partnerships.

      Effective communication and collaboration are crucial for successful real estate partnerships. The speakers in this discussion emphasized the importance of having a clear chain of command, staying informed, and having regular meetings to discuss strategies and make decisions. They also acknowledged the potential downside of diluting profits with more partners but saw the benefits of having multiple intelligent perspectives and the ability to scale more quickly. As they continue to grow, they plan to systemize and automate processes to reduce the need for further dilution and give their property management company more autonomy. Overall, they believe that apartment investing is a team sport and that having a strong team and effective communication are key to success.

    • Find leads and secure funding with DealMachine and FundriseDealMachine offers lead generation and off-market deals, while Fundrise provides private credit deals and funding for top investors, offering passive income opportunities through platforms like Airbnb and Connect Invest

      DealMachine and Fundrise offer valuable solutions for real estate investors in different ways. DealMachine provides unlimited access to high-quality contact information and phone numbers for lead generation and off-market deals, while Fundrise offers investment opportunities in the form of private credit deals, providing funding for top real estate investors and offering attractive interest rates for investors. Additionally, Airbnb can be an excellent source of passive income for those looking to rent out their properties for extra income. Lastly, Connect Invest offers a passive real estate investing platform with a minimum investment of $500. These tools can help investors streamline their processes, generate leads, secure funding, and earn passive income.

    • Learning from a fixer-upper multifamily investmentBuilding a strong relationship with a lender can lead to creative financing solutions, essential skills in property management, construction, and financial strategy.

      Buying a fixer-upper multifamily property can be a valuable learning experience and a profitable investment, despite the challenges. The speakers shared their experience of purchasing an 8-unit complex, which presented them with numerous opportunities for growth and multiple exit strategies. They learned essential skills in construction, property management, and financial strategy. Additionally, they built a strong relationship with their lender, Quantum Bank, which proved crucial in securing creative financing solutions. To build a similar relationship, aspiring investors should take their time and remain organized throughout the loan application process. This means providing all necessary documentation in a clear and concise manner. By doing so, investors can establish trust with their lenders and increase their chances of securing favorable financing terms.

    • Presenting a clear and organized package to lendersBeing well-prepared and confident when presenting real estate deals to lenders increases approval chances. Select high-quality deals and understand their numbers to impress lenders.

      Being well-prepared and organized when presenting a real estate deal to a lender can significantly increase the chances of approval. The speaker shared a personal experience of refinancing a property by presenting a clear and organized package, which impressed the lender and led to a quick approval. Additionally, confidence and a solid understanding of the deal's numbers are crucial when interacting with lenders. The speakers also mentioned that they carefully select deals to bring to lenders, ensuring they are of high quality and meet the objectives of all parties involved. The importance of being organized and confident cannot be overstated when trying to secure financing for real estate deals.

    • Turning Overwhelming Real Estate Deals into OpportunitiesSeek expert advice, assess deals quantitatively and qualitatively, use a 'how can I?' mindset, and stay creative and persistent in a challenging market.

      Even seemingly challenging or daunting real estate deals can be turned into opportunities with the right mindset and approach. As shared in the discussion, the speakers encountered a 16-unit property with mold issues that initially seemed overwhelming. However, they didn't let fear hold them back and instead sought advice from experts and decided to move forward. This deal turned out to be a great value play. When evaluating potential properties, the speakers emphasized the importance of using tools like spreadsheets and calculators to assess the numbers quantitatively, but also considering the qualitative aspects. They advised not to solely rely on someone else's spreadsheet and to understand the mechanics behind the numbers. The speakers also encouraged listeners to approach deals with a "how can I?" mindset instead of "I can't." They concluded by mentioning the importance of being creative and persistent in a tougher real estate market.

    • Communication and alignment among team members are key in real estate investingEffective communication, focusing on qualitative factors, networking through platforms like BiggerPockets, and tenant-proofing properties contribute to successful real estate investing.

      Effective communication and alignment among team members are crucial for success in real estate investing. The discussion highlighted the importance of qualitative factors, such as an owner's engagement level and motivation, when evaluating potential investment opportunities. Additionally, the team emphasized the importance of networking through platforms like BiggerPockets to build local connections and expand opportunities. Regarding property management, the team recommended focusing on durable materials for flooring and minimizing the use of technology that could easily break to tenant-proof properties. Overall, the team's success comes from a balance of numbers and qualitative factors, effective communication, and strategic networking.

    • Cost management strategies for real estate investorsEliminate expensive items during turnover, invest in cost-effective flooring, buy HVAC units in bulk, navigate tenant-friendly laws, and educate yourself on market trends and business efficiency.

      Effective cost management is crucial for real estate investors, especially when dealing with larger properties and a higher number of tenants. One strategy discussed was eliminating expensive items like carpet during turnover processes. Another tip was investing in cost-effective and durable flooring options, such as Allure vinyl plank flooring. Additionally, buying HVAC units in bulk and storing them for future use can save money. However, navigating tenant-friendly laws and dealing with professional tenants can pose challenges. It's essential to educate yourself on these topics and consider the qualitative components of a deal. For real estate-related books, the speakers recommended focusing on current market trends and local real estate reports. For business books, "The 4-Hour Workweek" was suggested for its themes of efficiency and automation.

    • Learning from successful real estate investorsSuccessful real estate investors prioritize goals, surround themselves with like-minded individuals, and take action with confidence. They also emphasize the importance of perseverance and seeking help when faced with challenges.

      Successful investors, like Mike O'Connor and Matt Wood, prioritize being intentional about their goals, surround themselves with like-minded individuals, and follow through on their intentions. They also emphasize the importance of confidence and taking action, even when faced with intimidating larger scale deals. By focusing on these key elements, they have been able to grow their real estate business from small beginnings to larger multis. Additionally, they highlight the importance of not giving up when faced with challenges, but instead seeking help and finding alternative solutions. Overall, their success comes from their determination, teamwork, and commitment to their goals. You can find out more about Mike and Matt on BiggerPockets or their website, cambridge-ig.com.

    • Leveraging BiggerPockets for Real Estate InvestingBiggerPockets is a valuable resource for real estate investors, offering a large community of potential team members, mentors, and investor-friendly agents. Utilize free account features to connect and access additional resources.

      Using a platform like BiggerPockets can be a valuable resource for real estate investors looking to build their network and find a team. The podcast featured guests Mike and Matt, who have used the site to connect with other investors and build their business. With over 500,000 members, BiggerPockets offers a large community of investors, many of whom are in your area. Creating a free account on the site allows you to connect with these individuals and potentially find team members or mentors. Additionally, BiggerPockets offers other resources, such as the Agent Finder tool, to help investors find investor-friendly agents and navigate the real estate market with confidence. Remember, the goal of real estate investing is financial freedom, and it's not about timing the market perfectly, but rather being consistent and staying in the market. So, if you're looking to get started or take your investing to the next level, consider utilizing the resources available on BiggerPockets.

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