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    186. Why Do People Keep Having Children?

    en-usNovember 13, 2014

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    • Factors influencing the decision to have childrenEconomic factors, including income and access to technology, play a significant role in family planning as shown by research in wealthier countries and Indian TV exposure studies.

      While there are various theories as to why people have children, including biological imperative, enjoyment, investment, and economic necessity, there is data to support these explanations. Economist Emily Oster, who has researched fertility and authored "Expecting Better," notes that factors such as socioeconomic status, political environment, personal philosophy, religion, and access to technology can influence the likelihood of having children. One significant finding is that as countries become wealthier, fertility rates decrease, suggesting that income plays a significant role in family planning. A notable study by Oster examined the impact of TV access in India, revealing that exposure to soap operas led to a decrease in fertility rates. Overall, the reasons for having children are complex, and economic factors are an essential component of the decision-making process.

    • Economic factors and optimism impact fertility decisionsEconomic uncertainty and optimism affect people's decisions to have children, with economic downturns leading to fertility declines but genetic predisposition not necessarily reducing the desire to have kids

      Economic factors and optimism play a significant role in influencing people's decisions to have children. While countries may become richer over time and fertility rates decrease, economic downturns can lead to declines in fertility as people delay having children due to economic uncertainty. However, it's challenging to separate the mental effect of economic optimism from economic reality. For instance, people may want to have children despite uncertain economic circumstances. Another interesting area of research is the relationship between genetic predisposition to diseases like Huntington's disease and fertility. Contrary to expectations, people who may be genetically predisposed to this disease aren't less likely to have kids. Instead, they may choose to have children sooner to ensure they're healthy for longer with their kids. Overall, the decision to have children is influenced by a complex interplay of economic, psychological, and genetic factors.

    • The human response to passing on a genetic condition is complexFactors like optimism, personal experience, and societal context influence whether people with a genetic condition want to have children. Predicting human behavior in response to a catastrophic event is challenging.

      The human response to the prospect of passing on a genetic condition like Huntington's disease is complex and influenced by factors such as optimism, personal experience, and societal context. While some people may feel a strong desire to have children despite the risk, others may be deterred. The level of optimism or pessimism about potential treatments or cures is difficult to measure and may not change significantly over time. In the face of a catastrophic event like a natural disaster that results in high mortality and loss of children, both a desire to repopulate and a reluctance to have children may emerge. This complex interplay of factors makes it difficult to predict human behavior in such situations. The 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, which killed hundreds of thousands of people including many children, provides an example of a tragic event that offers insights into this question, but it is important to remember that such events are unique and do not allow for controlled experiments.

    • Impact of 2004 Tsunami on Women's FertilityThe 2004 tsunami led to a decrease in women's fertility in affected communities, particularly among those who had lost children.

      The 2004 tsunami in Indonesia resulted in significant demographic changes due to its devastating impact on mortality. The tsunami killed over 200,000 people, disproportionately affecting women, young children, and older people. Elizabeth Frankenberg, a demographer and sociologist at Duke University, has been studying the aftermath of the tsunami for over two decades. She and her colleagues wanted to explore how the shock affected women's fertility, focusing on communities with high mortality rates and comparing the fertility of women who had lost children to those who hadn't. This research is unusual as it directly links mortality and fertility, with most previous studies focusing on social upheavals rather than mortality levels. The findings are significant as they reveal demographic shifts in the affected communities.

    • Women in areas with high tsunami mortality had more childrenWomen who lost children in areas with high mortality were 37% more likely to have another birth, and women who hadn't yet had children were more likely to become mothers, leading to an overall increase in births in affected communities.

      In areas where mortality from the tsunami was higher, fertility rates went up significantly. This increase was observed both when looking at mortality of any and everyone, and specifically when looking at mortality of children. Demographers had long wondered if women would replace deceased children with another birth, and the findings confirmed this hypothesis. Women who had lost a child in the tsunami were about 37% more likely to have another birth. Additionally, women who had not yet had children were more likely to become mothers as the mortality rate in their community rose. This interaction between community mortality and women having their first birth was a timing effect, suggesting that women in areas with high mortality would have their first birth sooner or have more children over time compared to those in areas with low mortality.

    • Increase in fertility after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunamiThe 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami led to an increase in fertility in affected communities due to a combination of factors including personal desire and societal pressures.

      The 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami led to an increase in fertility among affected communities, particularly among women who had lost children or had not yet had children. The reasons for this phenomenon are complex and multifaceted. Some women expressed a desire to have children after the tragedy. Additionally, the imbalance between the number of women and men in the affected areas led to an increase in marriages and subsequent childbirths. However, the motivation behind this desire to rebuild families is not fully understood and may be linked to a strong sense of community identity and the will to recover from the disaster. This finding challenges the common assumption that traumatic events lead to a decrease in fertility. It is important to note that this is an ongoing area of research, and more data is needed to fully understand the reasons behind this phenomenon.

    • Natural disasters can lead to increased fertility ratesDespite the common belief that wealthier countries have lower population growth, natural disasters can lead to a surge in births due to hope and rebuilding.

      Natural disasters leading to the sudden loss of life can result in a rise in fertility rates. This was observed in Aceh, Indonesia after the 2004 tsunami, where the sense of hope and renewal led to an increase in family rebuilding and births. This effect is not unique to Aceh or Indonesia, as similar trends have been observed in other countries after natural disasters. However, it's important to note that this finding contrasts with the long-held belief that as countries get richer, their population growth tends to slow down. The data supports this trend, with India's fertility rate dropping significantly from 6 to 2.5 over the past few decades. Overall, these findings offer a complex perspective on population dynamics and the human response to tragedy.

    • Population growth is slowing down faster than expectedThe world's population will peak around 8.3 billion in 2050 and then decline, leading to an older population and a redistribution of wealth between rich and poor countries.

      The world's population growth is slowing down much faster than expected due to development and increasing access to birth control. This trend is leading to a future population that will peak around 8.3 billion in 2050 and then decline, making the population older and altering the balance of populations between rich and poor countries. However, the relationship between income and fertility rates becomes less clear when looking at countries with very low fertility rates. While rich countries like Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan have the lowest fertility rates, other parts of Asia and even some relatively poor countries still have lower fertility rates than similarly poor regions in Africa. The UN projects this demographic shift will result in a much older population and a redistribution of population counts between rich and poor countries.

    • Reasons for having children have changed over centuriesChildren are now seen as an investment and consumption good, leading to lower fertility rates, but ideal rate for economic growth is around 2.2 per woman.

      The reasons for having children and fertility rates have significantly changed over the centuries. While historically, children were seen as a source of labor and insurance, they have now become more of an investment and a consumption good. This shift in perspective has led to a decrease in fertility rates, even in developing countries where economic conditions may not seem promising. However, the economic climate and health conditions have improved in many places over the last 50 years, leading to the demographic transition. Despite the common belief that fertility declines can lead to economic trouble due to a lack of young workers or an overabundance of people, both arguments hold true for different reasons. The ideal fertility rate for an economy to thrive is generally considered to be around 2.2 children per woman.

    • Balancing Population Growth and Economic GrowthEconomist Emily Oster and her husband Jesse Shapiro are having a second child despite potential population growth challenges, acknowledging the complex relationship between population growth and economic growth, and the need for sustainable systems to ensure balance.

      The sustainability of population growth and economic growth can be a complex issue. Economist Emily Oster, along with her husband Jesse Shapiro, are expecting a second child despite the challenges that come with population growth in certain areas. Oster expressed her love for having children and her desire for her first child to have a sibling. However, she acknowledged the potential issues that can arise when populations grow rapidly, such as job availability. On the other hand, rapid population growth can also bring new workers and stimulate economic growth. The system of population growth and economic incentives can be designed in various ways to ensure sustainability and balance. The discussion also touched upon various topics that will be explored in upcoming Freakonomics Radio episodes, including Boris Johnson's new Winston Churchill book, issues with American education, and Steve Levitt's thoughts on certain disgusting practices in the food industry. Freakonomics Radio is produced by WNYC and Dubner Productions, and can be subscribed to on iTunes or accessed on Freakonomics.com for more content.

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