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    (205) S9E48 {Interview ~ Dr. Mark Kewon} Jesus in a World of Colliding Empires

    enSeptember 09, 2022
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    About this Episode

    0:00 - My Intro
    6:00 - Dr. Keown's Intro
    8:00 - Discipleship and Individualism
    12:25 - Why does the gospel seem difficult to share when there aren't consequences?
    17:10 - Do government and religion always marry?
    23:50 - Is government antithetical to the Kingdom?
    32:45 - Government and violence go together
    42:50 - How does submission under evil empire work?
    57:45 - Revelation, empire, and submission
    1:05:00 - Egalitarianism and submission

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    • Paul's Vision of a New Masculinity: https://www.academia.edu/36607328/Pauls_Vision_of_a_New_Masculinity_Eph_5_21_6_9_
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    • The Kingship of Jesus in the Gospel of John: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45168636-the-kingship-of-jesus-in-the-gospel-of-john?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=SHWYw99JG6&rank=1
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