Logo

    #2183 - Norman Ohler

    enAugust 01, 2024
    What drugs did the Nazis experiment with during World War II?
    Who was Albert Hoffman and what did he discover?
    How did LSD influence JFK's peace speech at American University?
    What implications does Hitler's drug use have on his leadership?
    What is the significance of Mary Pinchot's death in this context?

    Podcast Summary

    • Nazi drugs experimentsThe Nazis, despite their law and order image, were involved in methamphetamine use and conducted experiments with psychedelic substances like LSD before it was even synthesized, challenging the common perception of them as a drug-free regime

      The Nazis, known for their law and order image, were not only involved in methamphetamine use but also conducted experiments with psychedelic substances like LSD before it was even synthesized. The author of "Tripped: Nazi Germany, the CIA, and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age" discovered this during his research in German archives, which led him to the United States to explore the psychedelic research taken by the American military after liberating Nazi concentration camps. Before this discovery, the use of drugs by the Nazis was largely unknown, and the ergot-based medicines, including LSD, were developed by the Swiss company Sandoz, which was the first to extract the medicinal properties from the poisonous ergot fungus. The company's success in ergot research led them to produce large amounts of ergot, and they hired Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD, to further develop new products. This historical account challenges the common perception of the Nazis as a drug-free regime and sheds light on the interconnected history of psychedelics and the pharmaceutical industry.

    • LSD discoverySwiss chemist Albert Hofmann accidentally discovered LSD in late 1930s while searching for a stimulant, but it turned out to be a powerful psychedelic substance instead. Its therapeutic potential was explored in the 1940s and 1950s, but research was halted due to illegalization in late 1960s.

      Albert Hofmann, a Swiss chemist, accidentally discovered LSD while searching for a stimulant in the late 1930s. He was inspired by the success of other stimulants like Pervitin and methamphetamine, which were widely used during that time. However, LSD turned out to be a completely different substance, providing a powerful psychedelic experience instead of a physical stimulant. Hofmann's first self-experiment with LSD led to an intense trip, which he initially thought was a poisoning. Despite its profound effects on human consciousness, the potential of LSD as a therapeutic substance was later explored during the 1940s and 1950s, particularly for treating conditions like depression and Alzheimer's disease. However, the illegalization of LSD in the late 1960s halted further research, leaving its therapeutic potential largely unexplored.

    • Neuroinflammation and Alzheimer's preventionMicrodosing psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin may help reduce neuroinflammation and potentially prevent Alzheimer's disease. Society should focus on researching their benefits and challenging the prohibitionist approach.

      Microdosing with psychedelic substances like LSD and psilocybin, even in low doses, can potentially help reduce neuroinflammation in the brain and may have preventative effects against Alzheimer's disease. This is based on personal experiences shared by the speaker, as well as scientific evidence suggesting a connection between inflammation, sugar consumption, and Alzheimer's. The speaker argues that society should focus more on researching and understanding the potential benefits of psychedelics, especially as the number of people with Alzheimer's is expected to grow significantly in the coming decades. The speaker also criticizes the prohibitionist approach to drugs and the historical context of this approach, which they see as contradicting the Western philosophy of transcendence and freedom.

    • Marijuana criminalizationMarijuana was criminalized not due to health concerns or scientific evidence, but due to racial profiling, economic interests, and propaganda.

      The prohibition of marijuana in America was not based on health concerns or scientific evidence, but rather on racial profiling and economic interests. Harry Anslinger, the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, targeted jazz musicians, who were predominantly black, for their use of marijuana. Anslinger disliked jazz and believed that marijuana use gave black musicians a "diabolical power" over their audiences. Additionally, William Randolph Hearst, who owned paper mills, had a financial interest in keeping hemp, the primary source of marijuana, illegal. The Decorticator, a machine that made processing hemp more efficient, threatened Hearst's business. Anslinger used propaganda and racial stereotypes to demonize marijuana, leading to its criminalization and the long-lasting stigma that persists today. Despite the widespread use of other drugs like alcohol and prescription medications, marijuana remains largely stigmatized in society.

    • Entheogenic hypothesisThe entheogenic hypothesis suggests that psychoactive substances played a crucial role in human language development, social group formation, and cognitive abilities through transcendence experiences.

      The use of psychoactive substances, such as drugs and psychedelics, played a significant role in the development of human language, larger social groups, and cognitive abilities. This theory, known as the "entheogenic hypothesis," suggests that these substances facilitated a "transcendence" experience, enabling humans to understand the concept of time and form larger communities. The use of these substances was kept secret through rituals and passed down through generations. Today, we face global issues that require a unified narrative, but lack a human global narrative. Research on the effects of psychedelics on the brain shows that they can reduce the activity of the default mode network, enhance neuroplasticity, and potentially alleviate depression. Despite this, psychedelics remain largely illegal, and further research is needed to fully understand their potential benefits and risks.

    • History of LSD and cannabisThe history of LSD and cannabis is marked by societal attitudes, scientific research, and political power, with fear and misunderstanding influencing their perception and legality. LSD has potential benefits and should be considered for legalization, while cannabis' addictive nature and ease of use present challenges.

      The history of psychedelic substances like LSD and cannabis is complex and intertwined with societal attitudes, scientific research, and political power. The speaker shared personal experiences and historical anecdotes, revealing how societal fear and misunderstanding of drugs, particularly during the Nazi era, influenced the perception and legality of these substances. They argued that LSD, despite its association with fear and taboo, has potential benefits and should be considered for legalization, while cannabis, though now legal in some places, may still present challenges due to its addictive nature and ease of use. The speaker also highlighted the importance of understanding the context and motivations behind the use and prohibition of psychedelics throughout history.

    • LSD and Nazi GermanyThe history of LSD discovery is intertwined with the history of Nazi Germany, as Albert Hofmann's research at Sandoz involved interactions with Nazi biochemist Richard Kuhn, who received Ergotamine from Sandoz in 1943.

      The history of LSD discovery and its connection to Nazi Germany is a complex and intriguing tale. During his research, the speaker discovered that Albert Hofmann, the chemist who first synthesized LSD, had a difficult relationship with the company that produced it, Sandoz. The speaker managed to obtain Hofmann's original lab books and was fascinated by his handwriting and the early LSD experiments. However, the speaker became curious about why Sandoz, under its CEO Otto Stolle, was unable to turn LSD into a lucrative medicine. He visited the archive where Stolle's papers were kept and, after some persistence, was able to gain access to them. In the papers, he found letters between Stolle and Richard Kuhn, a leading Nazi biochemist, who had been interested in LSD and had received Ergotamine, a precursor to LSD, from Sandoz in 1943. The discovery of this connection between Nazi Germany and LSD led the speaker to wonder what would have happened if the Americans had found LSD during their post-war search for German nuclear and biochemical weapons. The Americans, through their Alsos unit, had interviewed Kuhn and learned about LSD, leading to further research and potential military applications during the Cold War. Thus, the history of LSD is intertwined with the history of Nazi Germany and the post-war era, and the speaker's discovery of this connection added a new layer of understanding to the story of this powerful psychedelic substance.

    • Nazi influence on LSD researchThe Nazi connection to LSD research tainted its reputation, leading the CIA to view it as a potential weapon rather than a therapeutic tool, resulting in unethical experiments and overlooking its medicinal potential

      The exploration of LSD as a potential truth drug by the American military and CIA was tainted due to its association with the Nazi regime's interest in the substance. This led to the misconception that LSD could be used as a pharmaceutical weapon, which in turn influenced the CIA's approach to researching its effects. The CIA's involvement in funding university research, often through foundations, led to ethical concerns and experiments that were not focused on the therapeutic potential of LSD. Despite these unethical practices, LSD never effectively functioned as a weapon, and its potential as a medicine was overlooked during this period due to the negative connotations associated with its research.

    • Counterculture and LSDThe criminalization of LSD during the late 1960s and into the 1980s hindered societal transformation and global discourse, potentially leading to missed opportunities for addressing pressing global issues.

      During the late 1960s and into the 1980s, there was a significant cultural shift driven by the anti-war movement and the use of psychedelics. This radical change was met with resistance from those in power, leading to the criminalization of LSD. If this transformation had been allowed to continue, it could have had profound effects on society and creativity. However, due to fears of societal upheaval and the need to maintain control during a time of global conflict, the powers that be took action to suppress this disruptive influence. Despite the potential benefits, the consequences of this crackdown were a less transformative culture and a lack of global discourse to address pressing global issues.

    • Psychedelic substancesPotential benefits of psychedelic substances include personal growth, societal progress, transcendence, understanding of the other, and curing addictions. However, responsible use and objective research are crucial to mitigate potential risks and encourage a shift towards a more enlightened culture.

      The current societal restrictions on psychedelic substances may be limiting our potential for personal growth and societal progress. The discussion highlights the potential benefits of these substances, such as promoting transcendence, understanding of the other, and even curing addictions. However, there are concerns about responsible use and potential risks, such as schizophrenia. To fully understand and utilize these substances, it is crucial to have open and objective research, involving all stakeholders, including those who currently advocate for their illegality. This could lead to a societal shift, encouraging curiosity, relaxation, and a push towards a more enlightened and progressive culture.

    • Psychedelic RevolutionThe Psychedelic Revolution represents a pivotal moment in history, with the potential for positive change through the correct use of psychedelics. Authentic discourse and real conversations are driving this movement, challenging the status quo and leading to therapeutic uses and personal/societal transformation.

      We are at a pivotal moment in history where the potential for positive change through the use of psychedelics is becoming more widely recognized. The leaders of this movement believe that freedom over one's own consciousness is essential, and that the scientific understanding and correct use of these substances can lead to dramatic positive effects. The idea of a psychedelic revolution, pioneered by figures like Albert Hofmann, is gaining traction, despite past opposition. The media, long considered a gatekeeper of information, is losing its grip as people seek out authentic discourse and real conversations. The explosion of podcasts is a testament to this hunger for honest dialogue and the desire to challenge the status quo. The future holds great promise for the therapeutic use of psychedelics, and the potential for personal and societal transformation is immense.

    • Podcasts and literaturePeople's intellectual curiosity and desire for engagement are not waning, and podcasts and literature, with their long-form conversations and immersive nature, are filling this gap in society.

      People's intellectual curiosity and desire for engagement are not waning, but rather, they're not being met in the right ways in many cases. Podcasts, with their long-form conversations and immersive nature, are filling this gap. Literature also shares similarities with podcasts in their ability to delve deep into subjects and allow listeners or readers to connect with the creator's thoughts. The history of methamphetamine, or Pervitin, serves as an interesting example of how a drug became popular in society due to its performance-enhancing effects during a time of high stress and competition. It's important to note that the meth discussed here is not the same as the crystal meth produced today. This historical context sheds light on the complex relationship between drugs and society, and how societal needs and pressures can influence the use and perception of certain substances.

    • Methamphetamine use in WWIIMethamphetamine was used by the German army during WWII to keep soldiers awake and enhance their fighting capability, but it also impaired their ability to solve complex problems and lowered self-criticism

      During World War II, the German army used methamphetamine, specifically Pavitine, to keep soldiers awake and enhance their fighting capability. A professor named Ranker, head of the Institute for Defense Physiology of the German Army, conducted tests to combat soldier fatigue and found that methamphetamine kept soldiers awake for longer periods than placebos or coffee. However, it also made soldiers less capable of solving complex mathematical problems and lowered self-criticism. This discovery was significant as the German army believed that staying awake longer on the battlefield would give them a decisive advantage. The use of methamphetamine during this time is an interesting historical footnote and highlights the lengths to which military forces have gone to enhance soldier performance.

    • World War II army tacticsGerman army professor Ranka's research on using Pevitine to keep soldiers awake during World War II led to the implementation of the 'sickle cut' strategy, despite initial skepticism from the high command.

      During World War II, a German army professor named Ranka believed in using a chemical drug called Pevitine to keep soldiers awake and enhance their performance. He wrote to his superior, the Surgeon General, about its effectiveness, but the old-school general was hesitant and refused to use it during the attack on Poland. However, when Germany was preparing to invade the West, Ranka's findings became crucial. He presented his research on prolonged wakefulness through the use of math and stimulants to the high command. His stimulant decree, the first official paper by the army on the use of meth, was distributed to all medical officers. Despite doubts about the plan due to the Germans' lack of manpower and weaponry superiority, the belief in national socialist ideology and Ranka's findings led to the implementation of the "sickle cut" strategy, which involved advancing through the Ardennes Mountains and encircling the Allied and French forces. The success of this unconventional plan is debated in history, but Ranka's contribution to keeping soldiers awake played a significant role.

    • Methamphetamines and BlitzkriegMethamphetamines played a significant role in Germany's Blitzkrieg military strategy during WWII, keeping troops awake and aggressive, contributing to rapid advances and victories over France and other opponents.

      The use of methamphetamines played a significant role in the success of Germany's Blitzkrieg military strategy during World War II. The German army ordered 35 million dosages of the drug from Tamla company before attacking France, which was primarily given to tank troops to keep them awake and aggressive during long hours of combat. This asymmetrical use of methamphetamines left the French soldiers drowsy due to their rule of drinking red wine, leading to the German army's rapid advance and victory. The use of methamphetamines was not limited to the German military, as Japan also employed it in their Kamikaze pilots. However, the German army's insistence on using methamphetamines despite opposition from the Ministry of Health shows the modern and effective nature of the Nazi war machine. The British eventually caught on to the German use of methamphetamines and began using amphetamines instead due to its longer-lasting effects and less addictive nature. Overall, the use of methamphetamines was a decisive factor in the success of Germany's military tactics during World War II.

    • Performance-enhancing drugs in war and conflictPerformance-enhancing drugs, particularly amphetamines and their derivatives, have been used in war and conflict situations throughout history due to their ability to keep soldiers awake and less fearful. However, long-term use can lead to addiction and negative health effects.

      The use of performance-enhancing drugs, specifically amphetamines and their derivatives like Captain Gone and Adderall, has been prevalent in war and conflict situations throughout history. These drugs, like methamphetamines, were initially developed for military use due to their ability to keep soldiers awake and less fearful during prolonged operations. The use of such drugs is not limited to military personnel, as terrorist groups and freedom fighters have also been known to use them. Adderall, which is legally prescribed for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), is essentially a type of amphetamine and has been widely used by journalists, writers, and other professionals to increase productivity. However, the use of these drugs can lead to addiction and have negative long-term effects on the brain and overall health. It is crucial to understand the implications of drug use in conflict situations and to develop effective strategies for treatment and legalization.

    • Hitler's MedicationsFrom 1936 to 1941, Hitler's primary medications were vitamins, but in 1941, during the invasion of the Soviet Union, he was given a potent opioid for the first time, leading him to seek stronger substances like animal hormones.

      During Hitler's reign from 1936 to 1941, his primary source of medication was vitamins, prescribed by his personal physician Theodor Morrell. Morrell was protective of Hitler's health and controlled what he took, making it unlikely that Hitler was using any heavy substances during this period. However, in 1941, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, Hitler became ill with the Russian flu and was given a potent opioid for the first time. This marked a change in Hitler's drug consumption, leading him to become more interested in stronger substances, including animal hormones. Morrell's detailed notes provide valuable insights into Hitler's health and the medications he received.

    • Hitler's Experimental DrugsHitler's use of experimental drugs, including pig liver extract and Oxycodone, gave him energy, mood enhancement, and charisma, helping him maintain power despite military defeat

      During World War II, Hitler bypassed regulations to test and use experimental drugs, including pig liver extract and Oikodal (later identified as Oxycodone), on himself, despite ethical concerns and potential health risks. These drugs reportedly had significant effects on his mood, energy, and charisma, allowing him to maintain his dominance and conviction in the face of military defeat. This little-known aspect of history has profound implications for understanding the complexities of Hitler's leadership and the origins of the opioid crisis in America.

    • Hitler's drug useHitler's drug use, particularly cocaine and opioids, significantly impacted his decision-making during WWII, contributing to the downfall of the Nazi regime

      Adolf Hitler's heavy drug use, particularly cocaine and opioids, significantly impacted his decision-making during the final stages of World War II. The drugs numbed his pain and allowed him to think clearly, leading him to plan the disastrous Ardennes offensive. The Allies, aware of Hitler's drug use, deliberately did not bomb pharmaceutical companies producing his preferred drugs, keeping him addicted and weakened. Hitler's addiction to these drugs contributed to the downfall of the Nazi regime. Additionally, figures like JFK have also been linked to heavy prescription drug use for pain and depression. The exploration of historical drug use can provide new insights into the actions and motivations of influential figures.

    • LSD and JFK's Peace SpeechJFK's LSD experience influenced his peace speech at American University, shifting his stance towards disarmament, but the connection to his assassination remains uncertain.

      Mary Pinchot, a socialite and friend of JFK, obtained LSD from Timothy Leary in April 1963, and later shared it with JF Kennedy. The LSD experience reportedly influenced Kennedy's famous peace speech at American University, where he advocated for peace and disarmament, a significant shift from his earlier hawkish stance. However, the exact connection between the LSD experience and Kennedy's assassination remains a mystery. Mary Pinchot was later found dead, with her diary stolen, raising speculation about the involvement of the military-industrial complex due to Kennedy's change of heart regarding the arms race. The debate continues about the role of LSD in Kennedy's assassination and his political transformation. Norman Mailer's books "Trips" and "Blitzed" provide insight into this intriguing historical episode. Stone Sapiens, Mailer's next book, is expected to be released in the fall of 2025.

    Recent Episodes from The Joe Rogan Experience

    JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck

    JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
    Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy. Matt is the host of the "UFC Unfiltered" podcast with Jim Norton and is the owner and lead instructor at Serra BJJ. Din is a host on "SiriusXM Fight Nation," "Josh Cohen & the Home Team" on ESPN West Palm, and "Fight Court." www.groundcontrolbaltimore.com www.serrabjj.com www.ufc.com/athlete/din-thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enSeptember 12, 2024

    #2201 - Robert Epstein

    #2201 - Robert Epstein
    Robert Epstein is an author, editor, and psychology researcher. He is a former editor-in-chief of "Psychology Today" and currently serves as Senior Research Psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology. He also founded the Cambridge Center for Behavioral Studies. www.drrobertepstein.com  www.americasdigitalshield.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enSeptember 11, 2024

    #2200 - Kat Timpf

    #2200 - Kat Timpf
    Kat Timpf is an author, comedian, and political commentator. She’s currently the co-host of "Gutfeld!" on Fox News and is a Fox News analyst. Her latest book is "I Used to Like You Until... (How Binary Thinking Divides Us)." Look for it on September 10. www.therealkattimpf.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enSeptember 10, 2024

    #2199 - Chris Harris

    #2199 - Chris Harris
    Chris Harris is an automotive journalist, racing driver, and television presenter. He's also the author of "Variable Valve Timings: Memoirs of a Car Tragic."  www.youtube.com/c/chrisharrisoncars Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enSeptember 05, 2024

    #2198 - Bret Weinstein

    #2198 - Bret Weinstein
    Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist, podcaster, and author. He co-wrote "A Hunter-Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life" with his wife, Dr. Heather Heying, who is also a biologist. They both host the podcast "The DarkHorse Podcast." Rescue the Republic is a non-ideological, post-partisan gathering of the The Unity Movement where we will declare our commitment to defend the West and the values that form the foundation of a free and open society. http://www.jointheresistance.org/ www.bretweinstein.net Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enSeptember 04, 2024

    #2197 - Mike Baker

    #2197 - Mike Baker
    Mike Baker is a former CIA covert operations officer and current CEO of Portman Square Group, a global intelligence and security firm. He’s also the host of the "President’s Daily Brief" podcast: a twice daily news report on critical events happening around the globe available on all podcast platforms.  www.portmansquaregroup.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enAugust 29, 2024

    #2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons

    #2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
    Greg Fitzsimmons is a comedian, actor, and writer. He hosts the “Fitzdog Radio” podcast and co-hosts “Sunday Papers” and “Childish.” His new special, “You Know Me,” premieres on YouTube on 8/27. https://gregfitzsimmons.com/  "You Know Me" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvUqkWh_x4U Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enAugust 28, 2024

    #2195 - Andrew Huberman

    #2195 - Andrew Huberman
    Andrew Huberman, PhD, is a neuroscientist and tenured professor at Stanford University’s School of Medicine. Andrew is also the host of the Huberman Lab podcast, which aims to help viewers and listeners improve their health with science and science-based tools. New episodes air every Monday on YouTube and all podcast platforms.  www.hubermanlab.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enAugust 27, 2024

    #2194 - Luis Elizondo

    #2194 - Luis Elizondo
    Luis "Lue" Elizondo is the former head of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), which investigated UFOs, now referred to as Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). A veteran of the U.S. Army, he has worked in counterintelligence and counterterrorism worldwide. His new book, "Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs," is available now. https://luiselizondo-official.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
    The Joe Rogan Experience
    enAugust 23, 2024