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    246. How to Get More Grit in Your Life

    en-usMay 05, 2016

    Podcast Summary

    • Deliberate Practice and the Power of DedicationDeliberate practice is essential for mastery, surpassing natural talent. Dedication and grit are crucial components in the journey to expertise.

      Deliberate practice plays a crucial role in achieving expertise and mastery in any field, surpassing the influence of natural talent. This was the focus of Freakonomics Radio's previous episode, which received an overwhelming response with over 2,500 emails from individuals passionate about various pursuits, from music and sports to language, coding, and even podcasting. Although not all applicants will be featured in the podcast, the show aims to provide resources for anyone interested in creating their deliberate practice schedules. The episode also highlighted the significance of grit and dedication, as exemplified by 12-year-old Srinath Mahankali, a spelling bee competitor who is treating his pursuit like a job and striving for excellence through deliberate practice.

    • The Power of Believing You're Not a GeniusBelieving you're not naturally talented can fuel determination and grit, leading to success.

      Grit, defined as passion and perseverance for long-term goals, is crucial for pushing oneself to practice and excel, regardless of natural talent. Annette Lee's story from Freakonomics Radio illustrates how growing up with the belief that she was a failure due to her parents' high expectations and comparisons to others' achievements instilled in her a determination to prove them wrong. This drive led her to become a doctor despite initial disappointments. Duckworth, her younger sister, also faced similar feelings of not being a genius but went on to attend Harvard, Oxford, and earn a PhD in psychology. The belief that one is not naturally talented can actually fuel grit and lead to success. So, yes, someone who doesn't have a lot of grit can learn to cultivate it.

    • The Power of Grit: Passion and Perseverance for Long-Term GoalsGrit, a combination of passion and perseverance, can be intentionally cultivated through interest, practice, purpose, and hope, leading to increased potential and long-term success.

      According to Angela Duckworth, genius is not just about natural abilities, but also about effort and perseverance, or grit. Grit is defined as passion and perseverance for long-term goals. Duckworth argues that grit can be intentionally cultivated, and through her research, she identified four traits that gritty people possess: interest, practice, purpose, and hope. By developing these traits, one can increase their grit and ultimately achieve greatness. The good news is that grit is not something that is fixed, but rather something that can be learned and improved. Duckworth's research comes from interviewing high achievers and studying their habits, as well as following groups of people to see how their grit score correlates with their long-term success. So, instead of focusing solely on natural abilities, we should also prioritize the intentional cultivation of grit to unlock our full potential.

    • Explore and cultivate your passionsFinding a passion takes effort, trying new things, and learning to find depth in existing interests instead of constantly seeking new experiences.

      Passion is not something that simply appears in our lives, but rather something that we cultivate through exploration, experimentation, and dedication. It's important to understand that finding a passion involves putting in effort and trying new things, rather than waiting for it to magically appear. Additionally, it's natural for our interests to shift over time, and instead of feeling shame or guilt, we should learn to find nuance and depth in the things we're already engaged in. This skill of substituting nuance for novelty can help us avoid the temptation to constantly seek out new experiences and instead become experts in our chosen fields. Ultimately, the journey to developing a passion is one of intentional exploration and dedication.

    • Mastering a skill through deliberate practice and genuine interestTo excel in a skill, focus on deliberate practice and have genuine interest. Deliberate practice involves specific techniques with good feedback, while genuine interest fuels the passion necessary for the laborious process.

      The key to mastering a skill lies in deliberate practice, a concept popularized by Malcolm Gladwell in his book "Outliers" and further explored by Anders Ericsson in his book "Peak." Deliberate practice involves focusing on specific techniques with good feedback to achieve real improvement. However, it's essential to have genuine interest in the skill before committing to the laborious process. As Rowdy Gaines, a gold medalist swimmer, put it, one doesn't have to love every moment of practice but rather the passion for the sport as a whole. Passion can manifest in various forms, whether it's the thrill of competition or the fascination with words, as demonstrated by Srinath Mahankali, a 12-year-old spelling prodigy. It's crucial for parents not to force their children into practicing a skill without genuine interest, as this can lead to a torturous experience. Instead, nurturing the passion first and then encouraging deliberate practice is the most effective approach.

    • The Development of Grit: Cultivating Interest, Breaking Down Tasks, Connecting to a Purpose, and Maintaining HopeInterest, consistent practice, connecting work to a larger purpose, and maintaining hope are key components in developing grit and mastering skills.

      The development of grit, or the ability to persevere through challenges, can be observed in various stages. The first stage is the cultivation of interest. This can be seen in young children, like Srinath, who are drawn to learning new and complex things. Parental support and focus on interesting patterns and prefixes can help foster this interest. The second stage is the ability to break down large tasks into manageable parts and practice consistently. High grit scores have been linked to high spelling scores, and the intensity and style of practice are crucial. The third stage is the connection of one's work or hobby to a larger purpose beyond oneself. Even those with seemingly selfish interests, like athletes, can see how their work impacts others. The final component is hope, which is essential from the beginning to the end of the journey. Hope is the belief that one can overcome obstacles and continue on the path towards mastery.

    • The relationship between hope, optimism, and performance is complexOptimism can lead to better performance and health, but it's also possible that successes and positive experiences cause optimism, and pessimism can lead to negative outcomes, but it's also possible that negative circumstances cause pessimism.

      The relationship between hope, optimism, and performance is complex and can go in both directions. While it's true that optimistic people tend to perform better and have better health, it's also possible that their optimism is a result of their successes and positive experiences, rather than the cause. Conversely, pessimistic people may be mired in a vicious cycle of negative thinking and poor outcomes. This idea of reciprocal causality was discussed in relation to grit, which is the ability to persevere through challenges. Some people may lack grit because they give up easily or struggle to start projects, but it's also possible that their lack of grit is a result of their past experiences and current circumstances. Ultimately, understanding the complex interplay between mindset, behavior, and outcomes requires careful consideration of both the potential causes and effects.

    • The role of grit in successGrit, or perseverance, is crucial for success. People with intrinsic interests show exceptional grit, leading to better performance over time. Tools like the Grit Scale measure grit, and research shows high-grit individuals outperform others.

      Grit, or the ability to persevere through challenges, plays a significant role in success. According to the speaker, some people, like the interviewee in the discussion, possess an exceptional amount of grit when it comes to their intrinsic interests, leading them to work tirelessly towards their goals. On the other hand, those who lack passion or treat their work as a mere job may not possess the same level of grit when faced with adversity. To measure grit, researchers like Angela Duckworth have developed tools like the Grit Scale, which includes questions about perseverance, passion, and consistency of effort. Through longitudinal studies, researchers have found that individuals with high grit tend to perform better over time, even when controlling for factors like IQ. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of grit in achieving success and the need for further research to better understand this critical characteristic.

    • Speaker's Self-Assessment of GritSpeaker identifies as having low grit, easily distracted by new projects and loses interest over time, acknowledges limitations of self-reported data and concerns about educational assessments.

      The speaker is a hardworking individual who finishes important tasks, but is easily distracted by new ideas and projects. They have a tendency to lose interest in things over time, but also experience periods of intense obsession. Based on their self-assessment, they fall towards the lower end of the grit scale, around 10%. The speaker acknowledges the limitations of self-reported data and the challenges of reducing complex traits to simple numbers or letters. They also express reservations about the use of grit measurements in educational assessments.

    • Grit measurement through self-report questionnaires has limitationsWhile self-reported grit scores have limitations, recognizing the importance of effort and perseverance for personal growth and achievement remains crucial.

      While grit is considered an essential trait for success, its measurement through self-report questionnaires is not perfect. These measures are subject to issues like fakability, reference bias, and imperfect correlation with real-world outcomes. For instance, a study by researchers at King's College London suggested that grit adds little to the prediction of school achievement when comparing self-reported grit scores with standardized achievement test scores at age 16. However, it's important to remember that grit might not be equally predictive for all success outcomes, and its significance can vary depending on the individual's goals and priorities. Despite these challenges, recognizing the importance of effort and perseverance remains crucial for personal growth and achievement.

    • Finding meaning and purpose in tasks for children's gritEncouraging children's grit involves more than hard work. Helping them find meaning and purpose in tasks fosters intrinsic motivation and long-term commitment to goals. Parents should provide guidance and encouragement, but avoid overbearing behavior.

      Instilling grit in children involves more than just encouraging hard work and perseverance. It's important to help them find meaning and purpose in their tasks, as overbearing parents or teachers can actually hinder their intrinsic motivation. Parents should remember that even gritty children need guidance and encouragement to stay committed to their goals. Additionally, having a gritty partner or spouse may lead to personal happiness and success, but it's unclear if it positively impacts the happiness of those around them. Ultimately, the importance of grit lies in its ability to lead to personal growth, achievement, and happiness.

    • Find your passion and work hard at itAngela Duckworth encourages us to find our deep interests and work hard, even through setbacks, for personal growth and fulfillment, benefiting ourselves and those around us.

      We all have the potential to be more gritty and pursue our passions with dedication and resilience. Angela Duckworth, a psychologist and MacArthur Fellow, emphasizes the importance of finding something of deep interest and working hard at it, even when faced with setbacks. She encourages us to remember that the people who love us want us to be fulfilled individuals and that our personal growth can benefit those around us. As Duckworth herself experienced, hard work and determination can lead to impressive achievements, even if others may have doubted our abilities in the past. So, consider what you're truly passionate about and start working towards it with grit and determination.

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