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    261 - Chronic pain and menopause: what’s the link?

    enJune 18, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Pain and MenopauseDr. Ravindran's expertise in pain science and the brain, gained during his fellowship in London, led him to realize the limitations of traditional pain management methods for chronic pain patients. He now emphasizes the importance of continuing education and dialogue around pain and its connections to other health issues, such as menopause.

      Pain, a common issue that makes up 70% of all GP consultations, is a complex issue that has seen significant advancements in our understanding since medical school. Dr. Deepak Ravindran, a leading pain specialist and author of "The Pain Free Mindset," shares his journey into specializing in pain and the importance of addressing the links between pain and menopause. Dr. Ravindran, who has practiced medicine for over 25 years and trained in India and the UK, became interested in pain science and the brain during his fellowship in London. However, he soon realized that traditional methods of pain management, such as medication and interventions, were not effective for chronic pain patients. The conversation between Dr. Newson and Dr. Ravindran highlights the importance of continuing education and dialogue around pain and its connections to other health issues, such as menopause. Their podcast, which covers the latest research and personal stories, is a valuable resource for those seeking to better understand and manage chronic pain.

    • Perspective on Pain ManagementUnderstanding pain as a complex experience beyond physical sensation and exploring alternative methods beyond drugs and interventions for effective pain management

      Pain is a complex experience that goes beyond just the physical sensation and lasts for varying durations. Dr. Luis's personal journey and research led him to understand that pain management should not solely rely on conventional medical interventions, but rather focus on various ways to manage, overcome, and even get rid of pain. He emphasizes the importance of listening to patients, understanding the underlying causes, and addressing the perception of pain. Dr. Luis's work also highlights the need to challenge the "straitjacket" of relying solely on drugs and interventions, and instead explore alternative methods such as trauma-informed care, lifestyle medicine, and pain neuroscience education. By broadening our perspective on pain, we can find more effective and holistic ways to manage it.

    • Brain's role in pain experienceThe brain plays a significant role in interpreting and intensifying pain beyond the physical sensation of nociception. Factors like emotions, past experiences, sleep, nutrition, activity level, and social connectedness can impact pain intensity and duration.

      Pain is not just a simple physical sensation, but a complex experience influenced by various factors including the brain's interpretation of the context and emotions. Nociception, the conversion of chemical signals into pain sensations, is only one aspect of the problem. The pain experience itself is determined by the brain's decision to protect based on past experiences and other emotional and environmental factors. Factors like sleep, nutrition, activity level, and social connectedness can significantly impact the intensity and duration of pain. Understanding this distinction can help individuals take control and make positive changes to modify their pain experience. Additionally, the speaker's interest in neuroscience, neuroinflammation, and mitochondrial functions highlights the importance of ongoing research in understanding the complex relationship between the brain, body, and pain.

    • Daily lifestyle and inflammationOur daily lifestyle choices, such as diet, exercise, and mindfulness practices, can significantly impact inflammation and pain perception by affecting the immune and nervous systems, particularly in conditions like ME, fibromyalgia, and long COVID.

      The way we live our daily lives, including our diet, exercise, mindfulness, and past traumas, can significantly impact inflammation in our bodies and, consequently, our pain perception. The immune system and nervous system work together to protect us, with a large portion of the immune system present in the gut and skin. When the immune system is inflamed, it can lead to neuroinflammation, affecting the functioning of the mitochondria in our cells, which can further impact the immune and nervous systems. This is particularly relevant to conditions like ME, fibromyalgia, and long COVID, where changes in the immune system's response can have significant effects on the nervous system. Overall, taking care of our overall health and wellbeing is crucial in managing inflammation and pain.

    • Hormones and immune systemHormonal imbalances can affect immune cells' function and lead to inflammation and disease, particularly during menopause and perimenopause.

      Our bodies have complex systems, including the immune and endocrine systems, that work together to protect us from diseases and maintain optimal health. Hormones, such as estradiol, progesterone, and testosterone, play crucial roles in these systems. When hormone levels are optimal, our immune cells function effectively and are anti-inflammatory. However, when hormone levels are imbalanced, our immune cells can become pro-inflammatory, leading to disease and inflammation. This is particularly relevant during menopause and perimenopause, when hormonal changes can significantly impact pain and autoimmune conditions. Ignoring the interconnectedness of hormones and overall health can result in missing crucial pieces of the health puzzle. It's essential to recognize that hormones, diet, sleep, and other factors all play a role in maintaining optimal health.

    • Hormonal imbalances and pain reliefAssessing and addressing potential hormonal imbalances, specifically low sex hormones and testosterone, in patients experiencing pain and fatigue, especially perimenopausal women, can be beneficial. Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) may offer safer, holistic alternatives to current pain medications with side effects and limitations.

      Healthcare professionals should consider assessing and addressing potential hormonal imbalances, specifically low sex hormone levels and low testosterone, in patients experiencing pain and fatigue, especially those in the perimenopausal age group. Current pain medications like gabapentinoids and antidepressants have known side effects and limitations, making safer, holistic options like hormone replacement therapy (HRT) worth considering. HRT can improve symptoms beyond just pain, and it may even help melt away fibromyalgia. Doctors should always strive to find alternatives to opioids and other problematic medications but should not leave patients without any relief. By optimizing hormones and following up with patients, doctors can help reduce the need for other medications and improve overall health.

    • Chronic pain managementUnderstand difference between nociception and pain, practice self-compassion, explore lifestyle medicine options, increase awareness of menopause and chronic pain overlap, work together with healthcare professionals, recovery is possible, read up on resources, make immune and nervous system feel safe

      Chronic pain is a real and complex condition that requires a holistic approach to management. The speakers emphasized the importance of understanding the difference between nociception and pain, and encouraged patients to educate themselves about their condition. They also suggested practicing self-compassion and exploring lifestyle medicine options to help manage pain. Healthcare professionals were encouraged to increase their awareness and education about the overlap between menopause and chronic pain. The speakers emphasized the importance of working together with patients to find safe and effective treatments, and highlighted the transformational potential of small steps taken in the right direction. They also emphasized that recovery from chronic pain is possible, even if it may not happen overnight. Finally, they encouraged listeners to read up on resources and consider the role of making the immune and nervous system feel safe in managing chronic pain.

    • Newson Health servicesNewson Health offers personalized healthcare services through telehealth consultations, in-home care, a free balance app, and an audiobook version of Feliz's book, revolutionizing the industry and improving lives.

      Feliz Kusic and her team at Newson Health have made significant strides in providing accessible and personalized healthcare services, especially for those with chronic conditions. They offer a range of services including telehealth consultations, in-home care, and a free balance app to help manage symptoms and improve overall wellbeing. The audiobook version of Feliz's book is now available for those who prefer listening, and more information about Newson Health can be found on their website. By focusing on individualized care and utilizing technology, Newson Health is revolutionizing the healthcare industry and making a positive impact on people's lives.

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    Related articles

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