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    319. After the Glass Ceiling, a Glass Cliff

    en-usFebruary 15, 2018

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    • The Glass Cliff: Women Appointed as CEOs of Underperforming CompaniesDespite progress in education and employment, women continue to face barriers in reaching top executive positions due to the glass cliff phenomenon, where they're disproportionately appointed as CEOs of struggling companies, setting them up for failure and reinforcing stereotypes.

      Women face significant barriers in reaching top executive positions, despite making strides in education and employment. This phenomenon is known as the "glass cliff," where women are disproportionately appointed as CEOs of underperforming companies, setting them up for failure and reinforcing stereotypes. The case of Carol Bartz, a retired tech exec who became CEO of Yahoo in 2009, illustrates this issue. Despite her successful track record, Bartz was fired after revenue continued to fall, and the Yahoo board grew fearful of another failed leadership tenure. This pattern of appointing women to challenging leadership roles and then blaming them for the company's struggles perpetuates gender bias and hinders progress towards gender equality in executive positions.

    • The glass cliff theory: Women are more likely to be appointed to leadership roles during poor performanceResearch debunks the myth that women cause poor company performance and reveals that they are often appointed during tough times, setting them up for failure

      The notion of women being a cause for poor company performance, as suggested in a 2003 Times article, was based on flawed methodology. Instead, research by Ryan and Haslam discovered that companies tended to appoint women to their boards when they were experiencing poor performance, a phenomenon they called the "glass cliff." This theory, which suggests women are set up to fail in senior leadership roles during difficult times, has been further explored by researchers like Christy Glass and Alison Cook, who found that women are more likely to be appointed CEOs of underperforming firms. These findings challenge the common perception that women are the cause of poor company performance and highlight the importance of considering the context in which women are appointed to leadership roles.

    • Women more likely to be appointed to leadership roles during crises due to gendered stereotypesGendered stereotypes lead to women being perceived as better suited for crisis leadership, but not during stable times

      During times of crisis or instability, women are more likely to be appointed to leadership roles, a phenomenon known as the glass cliff. This trend is not due to intentional sabotage, but rather the result of gendered stereotypes that associate women with nurturing and communication skills, making them perceived as better suited for resolving crises. This preference for women in crisis situations is not a suicide mission, but rather a rescue mission. When things are going well, the preference shifts towards stereotypically masculine traits, such as ambition and competitiveness. This finding, which has been in the literature since the 1970s, is known as the Think Manager, Think Male Association. Overall, the glass cliff phenomenon is a complex issue that highlights the persistence of gendered stereotypes in leadership appointments.

    • Female CEOs face higher likelihood of activist investor targetingStudy shows women CEOs face greater risk of activist investor pressure, impacting their leadership abilities and company performance

      Female CEOs face a higher likelihood of being targeted by activist investors compared to their male counterparts, even when controlling for other factors. This finding, based on a study by Christy Shropshire, a management professor at Arizona State University, suggests that the glass cliff effect - the disadvantage faced by women in leadership roles, particularly during times of organizational crisis - may extend to the realm of activist investor targeting. The distraction and demands from activist investors can significantly impact a CEO's time and resources, potentially hindering their ability to effectively lead their organization. This phenomenon is not a new one, with notable examples such as Irene Rosenfeld of Mondalez and Ellen Kullman of DuPont having faced intense scrutiny and pressure from activist investors. Despite their strong performance records, these women CEOs were targeted with broad and significant demands, often leading to negative consequences for their companies and shareholders.

    • Gender bias impacts women CEOs moreFemale CEOs face increased scrutiny, criticism, and negative media attention, making progress in leadership roles more challenging.

      Gender bias continues to impact women in leadership roles, particularly in the corporate world. Despite achievements and success, female CEOs face increased scrutiny and criticism, often leading to more activist interventions. This phenomenon, according to research, is more pronounced when CEOs are women. The media also plays a role in amplifying negative attention towards female CEOs, which can further hinder their progress. However, there are examples of successful female CEOs who have defied these odds and made significant contributions to their companies. For instance, Indra Nooyi of PepsiCo, Phoebe Novakovic of General Dynamics, Marilyn Houston of Lockheed, and Meg Whitman of Hewlett-Packard have all shown remarkable leadership. Despite these examples, the challenges faced by female CEOs persist, and it's crucial to continue the conversation around gender equality in leadership roles.

    • The underrepresentation of women in high-level management positions is a waste of human capitalStudies show gender diversity leads to increased productivity and profitability, but female CEOs are often hired during crises, perpetuating the low number of women in Fortune 500 leadership roles

      The underrepresentation of women in high-level management positions, including female CEOs, is not just an issue of social justice but an economic imperative. Studies suggest that gender diversity in the workplace leads to increased productivity and profitability. However, female CEOs are often hired when a firm is in trouble, and these firms are more likely to be targeted by activist investors. This perception can contribute to the low number of female CEOs in the Fortune 500, which is a waste of human capital since more women are getting bachelor's degrees than men. The glass cliff effect, where women are disproportionately hired into leadership roles during times of crisis, has been demonstrated in various studies. Carol Bartz, former CEO of Autodesk and Yahoo, experienced this firsthand and attributes her success to her ornery personality and good timing with her computer science degree. While progress has been made, there is still a long way to go in achieving gender equality in leadership roles.

    • Rising through Challenges: Carol Bartz's JourneyCarol Bartz overcame gender bias, difficult bosses, and industry shifts to leave lasting impacts on Autodesk and Yahoo with her blunt style, determination, and positive attitude.

      Carol Bartz, despite facing numerous challenges such as a difficult boss, gender bias, and major industry shifts, consistently rose through the ranks and left lasting impacts on companies like Autodesk and Yahoo. Her blunt style and determination earned her respect from her colleagues, and she led her teams through challenging times, including the dot-com boom and bust, and the great recession. Despite the difficulties, Bartz saw opportunities in seemingly insurmountable problems and approached them with a positive attitude. For instance, when she took over as CEO of Yahoo during the recession, she saw it as an opportunity to make necessary changes without being criticized due to the economic climate. Her ability to stand up for her teams and focus on the present allowed her to lead these companies through significant transformations.

    • Gender bias in business media and investor perceptionsDespite facing gender bias and financial losses, Carol Bartz remained authentic and steadfast as Yahoo's CEO, leaving a lasting reputation.

      The gender bias in business media and investor perceptions can significantly impact the reception of leaders, particularly women. Carol Bartz's aggressive negotiation style, which was praised when she was a man, was criticized when she was a woman. This bias, coupled with the financial losses Yahoo was experiencing during her tenure, led to her eventual dismissal. Despite the challenges, Bartz remained steadfast and refused to back down, even when faced with pressure to sell Yahoo's valuable stake in Alibaba for a significant loss. Her honesty in speaking out about her experiences, including her controversial interview with Fortune Magazine, cost her financially but solidified her reputation for authenticity.

    • The glass cliff phenomenon: Women as last resort CEOsThe glass cliff phenomenon highlights the need for collective efforts to attract and retain women in leadership roles, addressing the root cause of lack of women in senior positions and family responsibilities challenges.

      The glass cliff phenomenon, where women are more likely to become CEOs when a company is in crisis, is a significant problem. Women are often seen as a last resort when men turn down leadership positions. Boards may hire women to signal change to investors, but it's not always a genuine attempt to promote diversity. The root cause lies in the lack of women in senior positions and the challenges they face in balancing career and family responsibilities. To address this issue, we need a collective effort from governments, societies, families, and companies to attract and retain women in the workforce, especially in leadership roles. The pipeline problem needs to be solved to ensure women have equal opportunities to grow and succeed in their careers.

    • Persisting gender stereotypes among younger generationsMillennials and future generations are more likely to hold gender stereotypes than older generations. Societal shifts and policies are needed to help women gain experience and rise through corporate ranks, but quotas may not be the best solution.

      Gender stereotypes are not only persistent but are actually becoming stronger among younger generations. Research shows that despite progress, millennials and the generation coming up behind them are more likely to endorse gender stereotypes than older generations. Solutions to this issue include societal shifts in perceptions and policies that make it easier for women to gain experience and rise through the ranks of companies. However, implementing quotas for women in leadership roles can backfire in the short term due to a lack of experienced women available to fill those positions. It's important to remember that old attitudes and power structures continue to influence business environments, making it difficult for women to be treated as equals and business partners. Ultimately, a long-term societal shift in perceptions is necessary for real progress to be made.

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