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    332: Rachael Denhollander | What Is a Girl Worth?

    en-usMarch 31, 2020
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    What issues were prevalent in the gymnastics community?
    How did the speaker's parents protect them in gymnastics training?

    Podcast Summary

    • Creating a Cozy Airbnb and Speaking Up Against InjusticeCreating an inviting Airbnb space brings in extra income and allows cultural exchange, while speaking up against injustice requires bravery and can lead to positive change.

      Turning your home into an Airbnb not only brings in extra income but also allows you to share a piece of your world with others. The hosts in this episode, Jen and Jordan, share their experience of creating a cozy and welcoming Airbnb space. They emphasize the importance of making guests feel cherished and appreciated. Rachel Denhollander's story, on the other hand, highlights the importance of bravery and perseverance in the face of adversity. She bravely came forward to accuse Larry Nassar of sexual assault, inspiring many others to do the same. Her story serves as a reminder that speaking up against injustice, no matter the cost, can lead to positive change.

    • An iconic moment in women's gymnastics sparks interest, but dark secrets lurk beneath the surfaceIconic moments can inspire interest, but gymnastics' dark past includes body image issues and physical abuse, often hidden from parents

      The Olympics, specifically women's gymnastics, left a lasting impression on the speaker. An iconic moment involving a young gymnast's determination to win despite an injury led many, including the speaker, to become interested in the sport. However, the gymnastics community was not without its issues, including rampant body image and physical abuse, which were often kept hidden from parents. Isolation of children from parents was a common practice, allowing coaches to have complete control over their athletes and their narratives. The speaker was fortunate to have trained in a gym without these issues, but the prevalence of such abusive practices was an open secret in the gymnastics world. Parents were often discouraged from watching practices, leaving children vulnerable to abuse. Despite this, success in gymnastics does not require such treatment. The speaker's parents' insistence on finding a gym with an open viewing area for parents spared the speaker from many of the typical experiences of gymnasts.

    • Historically, gymnastics prioritizes winning over athletes' well-beingGymnastics culture often ignores athletes' physical and emotional health for the sake of success, leading to injury, abuse, and long-term damage.

      The culture of gymnastics, particularly at the elite level, has historically prioritized winning and success over the physical and emotional well-being of athletes. This is often perpetuated by coaches and the governing body, USAG, who fail to address or investigate reports of abuse. Many gymnasts, including those who experienced abuse, feel pressured to continue participating due to the portrayal of such behavior as normal and necessary for success. The average gymnast starts training at a young age, often spending extensive hours in the gym each week, and their perception of self-worth comes largely from their coaches. Injuries are often pushed through, and athletes are encouraged to train even when injured, leading to both physical and emotional damage. The case of Larry Nassar, who abused numerous gymnasts under the guise of medical treatment, highlights the pervasive nature of this problem. It is crucial for changes to be made to prioritize the safety and well-being of athletes in gymnastics.

    • The insular nature of gymnastics and lack of understanding by sports medicine doctors can lead to misdiagnosis and ineffective treatment.Gymnasts can face challenges in receiving proper care for injuries due to the insular nature of the sport and lack of understanding by some doctors, potentially allowing abusers to exploit the situation.

      The insular nature of gymnastics and the lack of understanding of the sport by many sports medicine doctors can make it difficult for athletes to receive proper care and treatment for injuries. This can lead to misdiagnosis and ineffective rehabilitation plans. In some cases, this vulnerability can be exploited by abusers who use their position and expertise to hide their actions under the guise of medical treatment. Larry Nassar, a renowned sports medicine doctor, used this tactic to sexually abuse young gymnasts, manipulating the situation to make it seem impossible for victims to disclose the abuse and creating a response of disbelief in those who might witness it. Abusers are skilled manipulators and can create confusing circumstances to make it seem impossible for abuse to be occurring. It's important to be aware of this and to advocate for clear communication and transparency in medical settings.

    • Manipulation and Disbelief in Abuse CasesRecognize manipulation tactics used by abusers and don't let disbelief hinder action against abuse. Abusers rely on doubt and silence to continue their harmful behavior.

      Abusers often create a persona of care and interest to manipulate and confuse victims and those around them. This makes it difficult for people to believe or suspect abuse, even when it's happening right in front of them. In the case of Larry Nassar, this tactic allowed him to abuse children for decades, with numerous officials at Michigan State University, USAG, and the USOC being made aware of his behavior but failing to take action. This pattern of disbelief and inaction gave Nassar the cover he needed to continue abusing, and even intimidated and silenced survivors who came forward. It's important to recognize that the same circumstances that make us doubt or dismiss abuse are the same ones that enable it to continue. When we have that response, we have done exactly what the abuser wanted us to do.

    • Despite open communication and awareness, abuse can still occurPredators can manipulate situations and exploit the system, emphasizing the importance of proper training, certification, and accountability for professionals and institutions.

      Even with open communication and awareness about abuse, it can still happen, as was the case with Rachel Denhollander's experiences with Larry Nassar. Despite her mother being a survivor and having conversations about warning signs and appropriate boundaries, they were still unable to prevent the abuse. Additionally, law enforcement agencies often failed to properly investigate or even covered up the abuse, making it even more difficult for victims to come forward and seek justice. Rachel's assumption that Larry was practicing legitimate pelvic floor therapy, based on her prior knowledge of the treatment, further compounded the situation. It's a reminder that no matter how vigilant we are, predators can still exploit the system and manipulate situations to their advantage. It's crucial to continue advocating for proper training and certification for professionals, as well as for increased transparency and accountability from law enforcement and institutions.

    • Underestimating the ability to identify lies or abuseFew people can accurately identify liars, even trained professionals. It's crucial to believe and trust victims' experiences to prevent abuse from continuing.

      The ability to identify lies or abuse, particularly when it comes to women and their experiences, is often underestimated. Studies show that few people are able to accurately identify a liar, and even trained professionals can be misled. In the case of abusers like Larry Nassar, the community around the victim often fails to recognize the warning signs, allowing the abuse to continue for years. It's crucial that we believe and trust the perceptions and voices of victims, as minimizing their experiences and questioning their judgment only perpetuates the cycle of abuse. FBI agent Joe Navarro, an expert in detecting lies, has stated that even experienced investigators are no better than a coin flip when it comes to lie detection. Therefore, it's essential to recognize our limitations and focus on creating a culture that listens to and believes victims.

    • Survivor's journey to justice after sexual abuseDespite the challenges, survivors of abuse must be encouraged to speak out and seek help. Effective reporting and investigative procedures, along with greater awareness and support, are crucial in ensuring justice.

      Survivors of abuse often face significant challenges in being believed and seeking justice. The speaker in this discussion, a survivor of sexual abuse by Larry Nassar, recounts her experiences of being silenced and feeling hopeless at the age of 17. She recognized the abuse but didn't know how to stop it or get help. It took her another 15 years to gather the evidence and gain the courage to speak out publicly. She emphasizes the importance of asking questions and encouraging survivors to use their words. Unfortunately, even when she disclosed the abuse to someone who wanted to help, it wasn't enough to trigger an investigation or belief. The lack of records and proper reporting procedures further complicated the situation. This story underscores the need for greater awareness, education, and support for survivors of abuse, as well as more effective reporting and investigative procedures.

    • The importance of believing survivorsBelieving survivors and investigating reports of abuse thoroughly is crucial to protect victims and prevent further harm.

      Speaking up about abuse or suspicious behavior can be a challenging and disempowering experience, especially when it involves authority figures or popular figures in a community. The story shared highlights the importance of believing survivors and the potential consequences of not taking their reports seriously. The survivor in this case faced significant challenges in getting her concerns heard, despite her conviction that the person she was reporting was a sexual abuser. The experience was crushing for her, as she knew children were at risk and felt helpless to stop the abuse. It's essential to recognize that survivors should not be expected to get the timing right or present their reports perfectly. Instead, it's the responsibility of those in positions of authority to take reports seriously and investigate thoroughly. The consequences of not doing so can be devastating for survivors and the victims of the abuse.

    • Understanding the Complexity of AbuseSurvivors of abuse may struggle to trust seemingly normal situations and people. Grooming is a manipulation tactic used by abusers, appearing as normal human interaction. Careful planning is needed to report suspicious behavior to trustworthy press outlets that understand abuse dynamics and have resources to investigate thoroughly.

      Normal human interactions can be manipulated by abusers to create violation, making it difficult to distinguish what is truly innocent. Survivors of abuse may question their trust in seemingly normal situations and people. The decision to come forward again requires careful planning, including finding a trustworthy press outlet that understands the dynamics of abuse and has the resources to investigate thoroughly. Grooming is a manipulation technique used by abusers to gain trust and silence victims. It can appear as normal human interaction, making it crucial to recognize the signs and report any suspicious behavior. The Indianapolis Star's investigation into USAG provided the right set of circumstances for a survivor to come forward, as it demonstrated a deep understanding of the issue and the resources to make a difference.

    • Undercover Abusers: Appearing Kind but Grooming VictimsDespite their pleasant demeanor, some abusers can manipulate and groom victims, making it essential to be aware of potential red flags and prioritize ethics and victim protection.

      The nicest and seemingly most trustworthy individuals can be abusers, making it essential to be aware of potential red flags despite their pleasant demeanor. Rachel Denhollander, a survivor and advocate, shared her experience with an abuser who appeared kind and friendly but manipulated and groomed victims. The reality is that reporting sexual abuse and pursuing justice is an uphill battle, with low rates of criminal charges and convictions, and a culture that often blames victims. Despite the challenges, it's crucial to prioritize ethics and the protection of children above public perception. Unfortunately, the number of untested rape kits and the acquittal of abusers in high-profile cases demonstrate the long road to justice for victims. It's crucial to believe and support survivors and challenge the rape myths and cultural biases that hinder progress.

    • Defaulting to Comfort Over Truth in Recognizing PedophiliaPeople often ignore clear warning signs of pedophilia due to discomfort, perpetuating rape culture and cultural myths. Adults and law enforcement can fail to act, retraumatizing survivors and normalizing abuse in public discourse.

      Malcolm Gladwell's argument that we default to truth when it comes to recognizing pedophilia is not accurate. Instead, people often default to what's comfortable, which can lead to ignoring clear warning signs of abuse. This normalization of ignoring pedophilia perpetuates rape culture and cultural myths. The discussion also highlighted the troubling instances of adults and even law enforcement agencies failing to act on reports of sexual abuse, further contributing to the problem. The retraumatization experienced by survivors during investigations and the normalization of abuse in public discourse add to the devastating impact of these situations.

    • The culture that allowed Nassar's abuse to continue caused deep emotional pain for victimsVictims of sexual assault deserve to be believed and supported, not retraumatized during investigations

      The culture that allowed Larry Nassar's abuse to go on for decades, retraumatizing victims during the investigation process, is a significant problem. Victims were put in a position where they had to reveal their abuse publicly to be taken seriously, causing deep emotional pain. The discovery of over 37,000 child pornography images on Nassar's computer, primarily featuring young girls, was devastating for victims, especially those with children around the same age as the victims depicted. The process of healing from such abuse is long and difficult. Kyle Stevens, a family friend of Nassar's, tried to stop his abuse but was disbelieved and forced to apologize to him. The Nassar case brought the world face to face with the consequences of sexual assault, forcing us to confront the reality that there are real people affected by our decisions. Victims, including those in the Nassar case, deserve to be believed and supported, not retraumatized during the investigation process.

    • The re-victimization of survivors during court proceedingsSurvivors of abuse display immense courage and resilience when testifying against their abusers, despite attempts by the abuser to manipulate the situation and deflect responsibility.

      The experience of testifying against an abuser in court can be re-victimizing, as the survivor is forced to relive the trauma in graphic detail. The abuser, in this case, Larry Nassar, attempted to manipulate the situation by trying to control the courtroom environment and blame the survivors for the media attention. Despite his attempts to deflect responsibility, the survivors stood strong and refused to be silenced. The judge, who was a key figure in holding Nassar accountable, displayed immense courage and strength throughout the proceedings. The survivor's determination to tell her story and the judge's unwavering commitment to justice served as powerful reminders of the resilience and bravery of survivors of abuse.

    • Unmasking the true intentions of abusersCreating safe spaces for victims to speak up and societal support is crucial in preventing manipulation and enabling justice for victims of abuse.

      The manipulative nature of abusers can make it difficult for victims to come forward and seek justice. This was exemplified in the case of Larry Nassar, who was sentenced to over 170 years in prison for child sexual abuse. Despite his public displays of remorse, Judge Aquilina unmasked his true intentions through a letter he wrote, revealing his belief in his own innocence and his desire to maintain a public image. To prevent similar situations, it's crucial to create safe spaces for victims to speak up and for their feelings to be taken seriously. The burden should not be on them to initiate the conversation, but on society to provide opportunities and a supportive culture for them to do so.

    • Teaching children about bodily autonomy and privacyInstill principles of respect and privacy, set clear boundaries, and communicate importance to prevent and address sexual abuse. Understand false accusations, trauma responses, late disclosure, and shock reactions. Challenge harmful narratives and ideas in our culture.

      Teaching children about bodily autonomy and respect for privacy from a young age is crucial in preventing and addressing sexual abuse. Parents can instill these principles by setting clear boundaries and consistently communicating the importance of privacy. From a societal standpoint, understanding the reality of false accusations and trauma responses is essential in responding appropriately to reports of abuse. This includes recognizing the normalcy of late disclosure and the prevalence of shock and freezing responses. Additionally, using our spheres of influence to educate and challenge harmful narratives and ideas, such as our porn culture, is necessary for cultural change.

    • The Power of Speaking Out Against Abuse and TraumaRachel Denhollander's story highlights the importance of facing uncomfortable truths, breaking the silence, and supporting each other through difficult times. Survivors of abuse and trauma deserve courage and resilience, and sharing stories and resources can provide insight and encouragement.

      The impact of abuse and trauma on individuals and communities can be vast and underestimated. Rachel Denhollander's story of speaking out against Larry Nassar and USA Gymnastics is a powerful reminder of the importance of facing uncomfortable truths and breaking the silence. Many lives have been affected by this one abuser, and the number of known victims is only the tip of the iceberg. It's easy to default to comfort and avoid confronting such difficult topics, but it's crucial to remember that building strong relationships and networks involves being open to challenging conversations and supporting each other through difficult times. If you or someone you know has experienced trauma, sharing stories and resources can provide insight and encouragement. Rachel's book, "What is a Girl Worth?" is a testament to the courage and resilience of survivors, and it's a valuable resource for anyone seeking to understand the impact of abuse and the power of speaking out.

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    • By educating ourselves on proper nutrition, focusing on whole foods, and reducing refined carbohydrates and processed foods, we can take control of our health and potentially reverse or prevent diet-related maladies like type 2 diabetes.
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