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    471: Steven Hassan | The #iGotOut Guide to Quitting QAnon

    en-usFebruary 18, 2021
    What inspired Jen and Jordan to create an Airbnb?
    How does QAnon differ from traditional conspiracy theories?
    What is the BITE model in understanding cult behavior?
    Who is Dr. Stephen Hasson and what was his role?
    How can families help loved ones involved in cults?

    Podcast Summary

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    • Understanding the Dangers of Authoritarianism in QAnonAuthoritarianism, as seen in QAnon, can affect anyone, even intelligent and educated individuals. Be aware of signs of authoritarianism and preventively educate yourself and others to avoid manipulation.

      QAnon is a controversial movement that has spread widely, despite its authoritarian and potentially harmful nature. It's important to understand that authoritarianism, as defined by blind submission to authority and suppression of individual thoughts and will, can affect anyone, not just those in cults or those who may seem less intelligent. People often underestimate their own vulnerability to manipulation and the power of impressions and attention redirection. QAnon is an example of how mind control and manipulation can impact even intelligent and educated individuals. It's crucial to recognize the signs of authoritarianism and to be aware of how our attention and beliefs can be influenced. As Dr. Steven Hasson, an expert on authoritarian control, emphasized, it's essential to preventively educate ourselves and others to avoid falling into the trap of such movements.

    • Understanding QAnon as a Psychological OperationQAnon is a cult-like psyops designed to manipulate fear, hate, and trust, disrupt critical thinking, and recruit obedient followers through fear-based propaganda and information control.

      QAnon is not just a conspiracy theory, but an actual psychological operation, or psyops, functioning as an authoritarian cult. Its goal is to create obedient followers who trust their leaders blindly, recruit others, and take political actions. The use of fear and hate manipulation, along with information control, is designed to disrupt the critical thinking abilities of its members. This operation, which goes beyond traditional propaganda methods, aims to delegitimize institutions, and create confusion and disorientation. The mindset of QAnon followers resembles that of individuals in cults, with thought-stopping and proselytizing behaviors. The mind control model, BITE (Behavior, Information, Thought, Emotion), developed by the speaker, provides a framework to understand the tactics used in such cults. It's essential to recognize the signs of cult-like behavior and resist the manipulation of information.

    • Manipulation through Information ControlBe cautious of individuals who indoctrinate others with unreliable or false information, dismissing credible sources as 'mainstream media'. Evaluate sources critically before accepting them as true.

      Information control is a crucial aspect of manipulation and deception in various contexts, including online groups and movements. The quality and reliability of sources of information play a significant role in making informed decisions. However, some individuals may indoctrinate others with unreliable or false information, often presented as "research," while dismissing credible sources as "mainstream media." This can be particularly effective during times of stress and anxiety when people are more receptive to confident voices and less able to think critically. It's essential to be aware of this tactic and to critically evaluate the sources of information before accepting them as true.

    • Authoritarianism fuels spread of misinformation and conspiracy theoriesBe cautious of online content, fact-check before sharing, and limit time spent online to prevent being manipulated by harmful algorithms

      Authoritarianism, not political ideology, is a significant concern when it comes to the spread of misinformation and conspiracy theories, such as QAnon. This issue transcends the right and left political spectrum, and even those close to us can be negatively impacted. The architects of political movements, like Steve Bannon, have denounced such beliefs as nonsensical. However, some believers may view such denouncements as part of a larger strategy. The consequences of falling down these rabbit holes can be severe, leading to job loss, family strife, and social isolation. With the increase in time spent online due to the pandemic and remote work, the risk of being drawn into harmful content is higher than ever. It's crucial that we develop guidelines for ethical use of technology and take control of our online consumption to prevent being manipulated by algorithms designed to keep us engaged. The origins and control of misinformation sources, such as QAnon, remain unclear, making it essential to be cautious and fact-check information before sharing it.

    • Origins of QAnon: From Joke to Propaganda ToolQAnon, initially a dark web joke, gained traction due to individuals like Jim Watkins and ex-military intelligence personnel. Russian intelligence later exploited it for propaganda and manipulation.

      QAnon, the controversial online movement, originated as a joke on dark web message boards like 4chan and 8chan. It was not initially a military psyop, but rather a prank that gained traction due to the involvement of individuals like Jim Watkins, who owned 8chan, and former military intelligence personnel like Michael Flynn. However, Russian intelligence is believed to have gotten involved, using QAnon as a tool for propaganda and active measures. The movement, which is anti-democratic and anti-rule of law, gained legitimacy in the eyes of some due to the involvement of ex-military intelligence personnel, but it is ultimately being used to spread misinformation and manipulate people. The Christian right movement, which has been active for decades, is also believed to be influencing Trump and his administration through organizations like the Council for National Policy.

    • From Cult Member to Cult ExpertDr. Steven Hassan's journey from being a Moonie cult member to a renowned cult expert showcases the complexity of cults and the importance of understanding mind control techniques.

      The experiences of being in a cult and undergoing deprogramming have given Dr. Steven Hassan unique insights into the workings of cults and mind control techniques. He went from being a member of the Moonies in the 1970s, believing in their cause and even fasting on the Capitol stairs for Nixon's presidency, to recognizing the manipulation and lies of his former cult leader. After his deprogramming, he sought out experts like Robert Lifton and went on to become a mental health professional and cult expert himself. His personal experiences and subsequent studies have led him to understand the sophisticated nature of cults and the importance of recognizing and combating their influence.

    • Cults and conspiracy theories: The allure of connectionsApproach loved ones in cults with respect, kindness, and curiosity to help them break free, understanding the power of connections within these groups.

      The influence of cults and conspiracy theories, such as QAnon, can be deeply rooted and hard to break free from. During a recent deep dive, it was discovered that some QAnon supporters were also flat earthers, indicating a potential shift in beliefs but a continued adherence to a cult-like mentality. The attractiveness of such groups lies in the relationships and connections formed within them, making it crucial for loved ones to approach those affected with respect, kindness, and curiosity rather than isolation. Mark Vicente's documentary on NXIVM, which provides a unique and complete look into the inner workings of the cult, serves as a reminder of the power of ethical influence and the importance of understanding and addressing the root causes of cult involvement.

    • Exploring alternate reality games and QAnon: Be aware of the risksBe cautious of alternate reality games and QAnon, understand potential risks, practice informed consent, effective communication, and be aware of sources of information.

      The world of QAnon and alternate reality games can be intriguing and even fun, but it's essential to be aware of the potential risks involved. These games can lead people down a rabbit hole of unverified information and conspiracy theories, sometimes with serious consequences. The concept of informed consent is crucial - if someone is lured into an alternate reality game, they should be made fully aware of what they're getting into and the potential outcomes. A friend of the podcast mentioned the importance of effective communication and listening with curiosity rather than judgment, as outlined in Celeste Headley's book "We Need to Talk." The speaker also shared their experience of being introduced to QAnon through a hypnotic insertion in Assassin's Creed, emphasizing the need to be cautious about the sources of information we consume, especially when they blur the lines between reality and fiction.

    • Staying open to critical feedback and having a support system can help prevent us from being swayed by harmful influences.Recognize the signs of manipulation, build a 'web of trust' with supportive friends and family, and be open to reevaluating beliefs to avoid harmful influences and promote personal growth.

      No one is invulnerable to unethical influences or potentially harmful ideas, even if they consider themselves thinking, caring individuals. It's crucial to have a support system of trusted friends and family members to reality test new ideas and challenge our thinking. This can help prevent us from being swayed by potentially harmful or manipulative influences. Additionally, recognizing the signs of manipulation and understanding how we may have been influenced in the past is an essential part of the recovery process. As speaker X shared, creating a "web of trust" can help us avoid repeating past mistakes and protect ourselves from harmful ideologies. This can include seeking help from therapists and listening to the experiences of former members. Overall, staying open to critical feedback and being willing to reevaluate our beliefs is essential for personal growth and avoiding the pitfalls of harmful influences.

    • Leaving authoritarian environments can leave a psychological voidUnderstanding manipulation and mind control can help protect from harmful beliefs and practices. Healing involves visualizing past experiences and acting differently with newfound knowledge.

      People may be susceptible to falling for scams, joining new groups, or holding onto beliefs that aren't grounded in reality due to a lack of critical thinking skills or a need to fill a void left by past experiences. This can be particularly true for individuals who have been raised in authoritarian environments, such as cults or religions, where obedience is highly valued. Leaving such environments can leave a psychological void that may be filled by new, potentially harmful beliefs or practices. Understanding the mechanisms of manipulation and mind control can help individuals protect themselves and make healthier choices. A powerful technique for healing from past indoctrination involves visualizing past experiences and imagining how one would have acted differently with the knowledge one has now.

    • Reclaiming Identity and EmpowermentExamine past experiences, assert control over identity, and critically evaluate information to prevent harmful ideologies and misinformation.

      Personal empowerment can be gained by revisiting past experiences and asserting control over one's own identity and decisions. The speaker shares her experience of being asked to give up her poetry during her time in a cult, but now, with newfound knowledge and understanding, she refuses to let go of her creative works. This act of reclaiming her identity is a powerful reminder of the importance of standing up for oneself and not succumbing to external pressures. Additionally, the speaker emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and fact-checking, especially when dealing with potentially misleading information or cult beliefs. By encouraging people to examine their beliefs and the sources of their information, we can help prevent the spread of misinformation and potentially harmful ideologies.

    • Helping Loved Ones Leave CultsApproach loved ones in cults with empathy, understanding, and patience. Encourage them to visualize a happy life outside, using ex-members as proof that leaving doesn't result in terrible consequences.

      When dealing with loved ones involved in cults or belief systems like QAnon, it's essential to help them consider the possibility of leaving and being happy. Cults often use phobia indoctrination to make members believe that leaving would result in terrible consequences. However, ex-members who have left and are successful serve as living proof that this isn't the case. Shame can also keep people trapped in these situations, making it crucial to approach them with empathy and understanding. Encouraging them to visualize a happy life outside of the cult can open a door to leaving. Remember, it's important to be patient and persistent, as change may not happen overnight.

    • Isolation and Monetization in QAnon CommunitiesQAnon communities can lead to isolation, shame, and ostracism for those who leave or question. They're heavily monetized, incentivizing members to stay involved and spread misinformation.

      The QAnon movement, much like other belief systems or cults, can lead individuals into isolated communities where they are reinforced in their beliefs, often resulting in feelings of shame or ostracism if they leave or question the group. Additionally, these communities are heavily monetized, providing motivation for individuals to stay involved and even spread misinformation, sometimes unknowingly for the benefit of external entities. It's important to approach such groups with skepticism and demand transparency, as legitimate organizations are typically open about their financial records and operations.

    • Acknowledge truth in beliefs, build rapport, and adopt curious approachEffective communication with QAnon believers requires acknowledging truth in their beliefs, building rapport and trust, and adopting a curious and concerned approach instead of insisting on being right through reasoning and facts.

      Effective communication in addressing the belief in QAnon involves acknowledging the truth in their beliefs, building rapport and trust, and adopting a curious and concerned approach rather than trying to win an argument through reasoning and facts. The technique of creating a "yes set" by starting with truthful information can lead individuals to accept vague or false information as well. It's important to remember that those who have fallen into the QAnon belief system are not stupid or idiots, but rather have been manipulated. Instead of insisting on being right, focusing on the relationship and expressing concern can give permission for the person to question their beliefs as well. Additionally, apologizing for harsh or derogatory language used in the past can help rebuild trust and open up a productive conversation.

    • The importance of truth and communication in conflict resolutionLying and avoiding communication can deepen conflicts, while asking questions and seeking the truth can lead to understanding and connection.

      Effective communication and truthfulness are crucial in building trust and resolving conflicts. The speaker's father, despite having good intentions, lied to him about the cult not having an m16 gun factory, which drove the speaker deeper into the cult. If the father had approached the situation with curiosity and openness, asking the speaker to fact-check and then following up, it could have created dissonance and made the speaker question the cult's beliefs. Instead, the cult labeled the father as possessed by Satan and advised cutting off contact. The speaker emphasizes the importance of asking questions and seeking the truth, even in difficult situations, as it can lead to understanding and connection rather than isolation and hate.

    • The Power of Empathy and CompassionEmpathy and compassion can bridge gaps and build connections. Apologize for past mistakes, approach conversations with open minds, and lead with love for meaningful relationships.

      Acts of kindness and understanding, no matter how small, can help bridge gaps and build connections, even in the most unexpected situations. The story of the man given a job and offered a sandwich by his employer serves as a powerful reminder of the importance of empathy and compassion. When it comes to mending relationships, especially those that have been strained or severed, it's crucial to approach the situation with care and sensitivity. Apologizing for past mistakes and expressing a genuine desire to reconnect can go a long way. Additionally, when trying to help someone who may be involved in a controversial group or belief system, it's essential to approach the conversation with an open mind and a non-judgmental attitude. Encouraging them to reflect on their initial motivations and exploring practical ways to make a difference can be more effective than trying to force them to adopt a particular belief system. Ultimately, love and compassion are more powerful than mind control or indoctrination, and approaching relationships and conversations with these values in mind can lead to meaningful connections and positive outcomes.

    • A former mob enforcer's journey from violence to education and researchA mob enforcer turned researcher, Anthony Raimondi, shares his past experiences with violence and the importance of education and scientific research in understanding coercive control and brainwashing. He aims to create a framework for evaluating cases involving coercive control and contribute positively to society.

      Anthony Raimondi, a former Italian mob enforcer, shares his harrowing experiences and the importance of education and scientific research in shedding light on coercive control and brainwashing. Raimondi's decision to pursue a doctorate in this field stems from a desire to legitimize the work and combat criticism. He discusses his past encounters with violence and the influence these experiences had on his life. Through his research, Raimondi aims to create a framework for judges and juries to evaluate cases involving coercive control and influence, potentially opening doors for former members of criminal organizations to contribute positively to society. The conversation also touches upon the long-lasting impact of Raimondi's visit to a maximum-security prison and the need for justice reform.

    • Understanding QAnon: A dangerous game of scavenger hunt and LARPQAnon is a dangerous belief system that functions like a real-life scavenger hunt or LARP, but can lead to unethical consequences. Engaging in discussions about other conspiracy theories can help followers see the flaws in their thinking and potentially lead them to question their beliefs, but requires patience and effort.

      QAnon functions like a real-life scavenger hunt or LARP (Live Action Role Play), but with dangerous and unethical consequences. People are drawn to it due to a desire for validation, a sense of belonging, and the belief that they hold unique information. However, many of these groups are actually fronts for distractions that hinder real efforts against issues like child trafficking. Engaging in discussions about other conspiracy theories can help QAnon followers see the flaws in their thinking and potentially lead them to question their beliefs. This process requires patience and effort, and is most effective with close friends and family. It's important to remember that people can quickly convert to these beliefs, but the deprogramming process is a lengthy one. To learn more about this topic and effective communication strategies, be sure to check out the resources provided in the show notes.

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    • Removing fat from food products often led to increased sugar and refined carbohydrate content, contributing to the obesity and diabetes epidemics in the United States.
    • The American Heart Association and other institutions have been slow to change their dietary recommendations due to conflicts of interest and corporate donations.
    • Consuming healthy fats is essential for proper bodily functions, and low-fat diets have not been shown to prevent cardiovascular disease or cancer.
    • By educating ourselves on proper nutrition, focusing on whole foods, and reducing refined carbohydrates and processed foods, we can take control of our health and potentially reverse or prevent diet-related maladies like type 2 diabetes.
    • Connect with Jordan on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on Skeptical Sunday, drop Jordan a line at jordan@jordanharbinger.com and let him know!
    • Connect with Michael Regilio at TwitterInstagram, and YouTube, and make sure to check out the Michael Regilio Plagues Well With Others podcast here or wherever you enjoy listening to fine podcasts!

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