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    #66 Dr. Emily Nagoski: Pleasure is the Measure

    enSeptember 17, 2019

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    • Sex as a Social BehaviorHumans primarily use sex for social connection and pleasure, not just for reproduction. The clitoris and penis share similar structures and functions.

      Learning from this conversation with Emily Nagoski is that the primary function of sex for humans is as a social behavior, rather than a reproductive one. Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of sex throughout history and even today has not resulted in pregnancies. This misconception likely stems from the fact that we often conflate the terms "vulva" and "vagina," leading us to focus on the reproductive aspects of sex while ignoring the role of pleasure and connection. In reality, males and females share more similarities in their genitalia than we may realize, with the clitoris being the biological homologue of the penis. Both the penis and the clitoris have complex structures beyond their visible tips, with the clitoris containing three spongy chambers and the penis having a shaft made of similar tissue. By understanding these similarities and recognizing the social and emotional significance of sex, we can gain a more holistic perspective on this important aspect of human life.

    • Understanding the Complexities of Our BodiesRecognizing the internal similarities between the penis and clitoris challenges societal norms and encourages open dialogue about sexuality.

      Our bodies, regardless of gender, are more complex than what we see on the surface. The penis and clitoris, for example, have internal structures that extend deeper into the body, leading to a greater understanding of homology – the similarities in structure between seemingly different parts. This realization challenges the notion that there's a distinct "it's a girl package" and "it's a boy package." Furthermore, our discomfort in discussing sex stems from societal taboos and puritanical beliefs, which can be addressed by starting conversations early, repeating them often, and using simple, accurate language. By recognizing the complexities of our bodies and challenging societal norms, we can foster a more open and comfortable dialogue around sexuality.

    • Parents' reactions to children's curiosity about bodies impact sexuality developmentParents' responses to children's body-related questions can influence their kids' attitudes towards their own sexuality as adults.

      The way parents react to their children's curiosity about their bodies during their formative years can significantly impact their relationship with their own sexuality as they grow up. The contrasting stories of the two girls illustrate this point. In one instance, a father's disapproval and shame towards his daughter's discovery of her clitoris may lead her to feel disgust and a lack of ownership over her own body. In contrast, a mother's open and affirmative response to her daughter's exploration of her clitoris as a favorite part of her body may foster a positive and healthy attitude towards her own sexuality. This phenomenon, known as moral dumbfounding, highlights the importance of parents' emotional reactions and their ability to communicate openly and neutrally about sexuality to their children. Ultimately, the way parents respond to their children's curiosity can shape their children's attitudes towards their own bodies and sexuality for years to come.

    • Addressing Parental Discomfort and Cultural MessagesEncourage open conversations about consent, recognizing and challenging patriarchal narratives, and empowering kids to respect their own bodies and boundaries.

      When it comes to talking to kids about sex, parents should focus on addressing their own discomfort and cultural messages surrounding gender roles, consent, and bodily autonomy. This involves recognizing and challenging patriarchal narratives that portray women as "human givers" obligated to give their full selves to others, while men are the "human beings" with the right to take. Parents should encourage open and honest conversations about consent, ensuring that children understand that they have the right to say no and that their bodies are their own. Using simple examples, like the tea analogy, can help illustrate these concepts and foster a healthy understanding of consent and respectful relationships.

    • Understanding Pressures on Sexual Consent and AutonomyTeens and young adults face societal expectations and gendered roles that impact their understanding and communication of sexual consent and autonomy, leading to misunderstandings and unwanted consequences. It's essential to renegotiate these messages and communicate openly to create a healthier and more respectful sexual landscape.

      Individuals, particularly in their teenage years and early adulthood, face unique pressures surrounding sexual consent and autonomy based on societal expectations and gendered roles. Peggy Orenstein's book "Girls and Sex" highlights the human giver syndrome, where people feel the need to satisfy others' desires at the expense of their own, leading to misunderstandings and hurt feelings. Both genders face challenges; women are often pressured to give consent and please their partners, while men are taught that their worth is tied to their sexual performance and ability to satisfy their partners. Misunderstandings and lack of open communication can result in unwanted consequences, such as unintended pregnancies. It's crucial for individuals to renegotiate these gendered messages and learn to communicate openly about consent and their desires, creating a healthier and more respectful sexual landscape.

    • Conflicting messages about sex and sexualityExposure to conflicting messages about sex can lead to harmful beliefs, feelings of shame, and impact overall well-being. Comprehensive sex education is essential for healthy relationships and understanding gender roles.

      Growing up, we are exposed to conflicting messages about sex and sexuality, creating confusion and potentially harmful beliefs. For instance, some messages emphasize purity and the importance of saving oneself for a committed relationship, while others promote sexual exploration and performance. Furthermore, pornography can significantly influence young people's perceptions of gender roles and sexual behavior, often providing an unrealistic and distorted view. These competing messages can lead to feelings of shame, guilt, and inadequacy, impacting our relationships and overall well-being. It's essential to recognize the complexity of these issues and encourage open, honest, and comprehensive sex education.

    • Porn's impact on individuals and relationships during adolescencePorn can reinforce unrealistic expectations about bodies and sex, lead to unhealthy coping mechanisms, and weaken connections with partners during adolescence. However, the impact of open relationships on mental health is still debated.

      Mainstream porn can negatively impact individuals and relationships, particularly during adolescence, by reinforcing unrealistic expectations about bodies and sex. It can also lead to unhealthy coping mechanisms, such as using porn as a way to avoid dealing with emotions and weakening connections with partners. While porn itself is not inherently harmful, the lack of open communication and consent in its consumption can lead to destructive consequences. Additionally, there is no definitive evidence that open relationships are healthier or less anxiety-inducing than monogamous ones; they simply represent different relationship structures that work for various individuals.

    • Navigating the complexities of open relationshipsOpen relationships demand high emotional intelligence, trust, and communication. They offer potential for deep connections and growth, but require careful management and emotional resilience.

      Open relationships require a high level of emotional intelligence, trust, and communication. The speaker shares her experience of observing a friend's successful open relationship, which was supported by a strong community of lovers. She contrasts this with her own advice given to friends whose relationships were struggling solely due to a lack of sexual connection. The speaker emphasizes that open relationships are exponentially more complicated than monogamous relationships, requiring a great deal of emotional management and calendar coordination. Trust, defined as being emotionally present and available, is essential for open relationships to thrive. The speaker also shares an example of a client who struggled with jealousy in an open relationship, despite no actual infidelity occurring. In conclusion, open relationships may not be for everyone, but for those who can navigate the complex emotional landscape, they can lead to deep connections and growth.

    • Building Trust in Open RelationshipsEffective communication, meeting commitments, and understanding personal patterns are essential for building trust in open relationships. Recognizing the importance of different types of sexual experiences can also strengthen connections.

      Trust is a crucial element in any relationship, whether monogamous or open. It can be rooted in doubts about one's own worth or concerns about a partner's trustworthiness. Meeting commitments and showing up as promised are essential for building and maintaining trust. Calendar management is important in this regard. When it comes to open relationships, trust becomes even more crucial since partners are bringing their bodies and fluids into contact with others. Communication and recognizing personal patterns of behavior are essential for navigating these complex dynamics. Additionally, there is a cultural distinction between different types of sexual experiences, such as making love, having sex, and fucking. These distinctions can vary, with some people viewing making love as emotionally connected, having sex as neutral, and fucking as passionate but not emotionally connected. Ultimately, pleasure is the measure of sexual well-being, regardless of frequency, partners, or positions. Recognizing the importance of trust and communication in relationships, as well as understanding the nuances of different types of sexual experiences, can help individuals build stronger, more fulfilling connections with their partners.

    • Sex as a Social and Bonding BehaviorSex plays a primary role in human relationships as a social and bonding behavior, involving emotional connection and hormonal responses. Frequency and orgasms are not the only factors contributing to satisfaction.

      While sex does have reproductive functions, its primary role for humans is as a social and bonding behavior. The emotional connection made during lovemaking is a biological attachment process, involving hormones and chemical changes. The role of sex in relationships varies and can change over time. In the beginning of a relationship, sex is often frequent and intense, used to build a bond and repair any damage. Later on, as the relationship solidifies, sex may drop in priority as other responsibilities take over. However, among couples who sustain a strong sexual connection over the long term, cuddling after sex, rather than frequency or orgasms, is the best predictor of satisfaction. Sexual desire can be spontaneous or responsive, emerging out of the blue or in response to pleasure.

    • Prioritizing Sex and Trust in Long-Term RelationshipsPrioritize sex in long-term relationships, foster trust and friendship, and view it as important for the bond. Sleep, personal well-being, and partner characteristics impact pleasure.

      In long-term relationships, having a strong sexual connection involves prioritizing sex and fostering a strong friendship based on trust. Responsive desire, which is the experience of desiring your partner in the moment, is a normal and healthy way to experience sexual attraction. Couples who sustain a strong sexual connection prioritize sex, set aside time for it, and view it as important for their relationship. Trust and friendship are the foundations of this connection. Sleep is also a predictor of sexual frequency and pleasure. Personal well-being and partner characteristics are key factors that increase sexual pleasure. It's important to remember that frequency does not determine sexual satisfaction, and everyone's relationship and needs are different. Prioritize sex if it's important to you, but don't if it's not.

    • The role of trust in a satisfying sexual relationshipTrust is crucial for a satisfying sexual relationship, involving both trusting your partner and being trustworthy yourself. Factors like setting, freedom to experiment, and emotional state can significantly impact pleasure.

      Trust plays a crucial role in a satisfying sexual relationship. Trust is not only about how much you trust your partner but also about being trustworthy yourself. The setting, including factors like familiarity and comfort, can significantly influence the pleasure experienced during sexual activities. Controllable factors like setting can be easily adjusted to enhance the experience. Lastly, the freedom to experiment and play, also known as ludic factors, is essential for increasing pleasure. As Dorothy Sayers once said, "The worst sin passion can commit is to be joyless." The way our brains interpret sensations is influenced by our emotional state, making it essential to approach sexual experiences with a playful and open mindset. Trust and its relationship to trustworthiness, as well as the importance of various factors in enhancing sexual pleasure, are explored in detail in John Gottman's book "The Science of Trust."

    • The importance of trust and reciprocity in relationshipsTrust builds relationships and reciprocity ensures fairness. Give and receive respectfully to build trust and strengthen bonds.

      Trust is essential in relationships, and reciprocity is key. The trust game experiment illustrates this concept using cupcakes as a metaphor for the things we give and receive in relationships, such as time, attention, love, and money. The game shows that when we trust each other, we both end up with more, and the relationship is strengthened. However, if trust is violated, it can lead to betrayal and a loss in the relationship. It's important to be aware of this dynamic and to be mindful of giving and receiving in a way that is fair and respectful to both parties. Trustworthy individuals are those who are willing to give first and expect the same in return. In relationships, it's crucial to surround yourself with people who are givers and to ensure that both parties have their boundaries respected. Trust is not a given, but it can be built and nurtured through consistent reciprocity and mutual respect.

    • Understanding the Desire for Revenge in RelationshipsInstead of seeking revenge, focus on processing emotions, communicating, and finding healthy ways to cope with pain in relationships. Unmet needs often lead to affairs, and focusing on self-healing and open communication can lead to healthier connections.

      Human nature can incline us towards seeking revenge when we feel betrayed or hurt in relationships. However, seeking revenge may not bring the desired satisfaction or healing. Instead, it's essential to process our emotions, communicate with trusted individuals, and find healthy ways to cope with the pain. The main reason for affairs is often the unmet needs in a current relationship, and they are considered wrong due to the deceit and the partner's hidden "secret garden" where we are not allowed to go. Ultimately, focusing on self-healing and open communication in relationships can lead to healthier and more fulfilling connections.

    • Understanding Betrayal and the Importance of Open Communication in RelationshipsCommunicate openly about changes in relationship and sexual interest, ask permission, use a gentle approach, and focus on the things valued in your connection to create a safe space for discussion.

      People have complex reasons for dealing with betrayal and the importance of open communication in relationships. Some view a secret garden as an individual's right to privacy, while others see it as a breach of trust. Stress is a common factor that can impact sexual connection, and it's essential to have an open conversation with your partner about any changes in your relationship, including a decrease in sexual interest. When having this conversation, it's crucial to ask permission, use a gentle and positive approach, and focus on the things you value about your sexual connection. The ultimate goal is to create a safe and empty space between you to discuss any issues that may be hindering your connection.

    • Acknowledging and addressing uncomfortable emotionsRecognizing societal pressures and expectations surrounding gender roles and sexuality can help individuals build stronger, healthier relationships by addressing underlying emotions with kindness and compassion.

      Effective communication and understanding between individuals involves acknowledging and addressing uncomfortable emotions, or "sleepy hedgehogs," with kindness and compassion. For cisgender men and women, it's essential to recognize the societal pressures and expectations surrounding gender roles and sexuality, which can lead to vulnerabilities and deep-rooted wounds. Men are often taught that their worth is tied to their sexual prowess, while women are expected to be subordinate and emotionally suppressed. These messages can contribute to misunderstandings, hurt feelings, and even violence. By acknowledging and addressing these underlying emotions, individuals can build stronger, healthier relationships and foster greater understanding and empathy. Additionally, it's crucial for individuals to practice expressing and managing their emotions, as societal pressures to suppress emotions can have long-term negative impacts.

    • Understanding Emotions in RelationshipsBoth genders need emotional intelligence and self-awareness. Women often manage emotions, while men are rarely taught. This can lead to power imbalances and misunderstandings. Men should learn to express and regulate emotions, and women should assert emotional needs. Respecting emotional autonomy benefits all.

      Both men and women need to understand the importance of emotional intelligence and self-awareness in relationships. Women have been societally conditioned to manage emotions and downregulate men's feelings, while men are granted limited permission to express anger and no guidance on dealing with their own or others' emotions. This dynamic can lead to power imbalances and misunderstandings. To improve relationships and create a more equitable society, it's crucial for men to learn how to express and regulate their emotions, and for women to assert their own emotional needs and boundaries. This connected knowing, as discussed in the book "Burnout," can lead to a deeper understanding of ourselves and others, ultimately benefiting all parties involved. In essence, we must learn to respect and honor each other's emotional autonomy and work towards creating a world where everyone is granted the same basic bodily autonomy and freedom to express their emotions without fear of judgment or retribution.

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    #191 Dr. Rhonda Patrick: Diet Essentials For Healthy Living

    #191 Dr. Rhonda Patrick: Diet Essentials For Healthy Living
    Shane Parrish sits down with the renowned biochemist Dr. Rhonda Patrick to explore the intricate world of nutrition and health. Dr. Patrick provides a deep dive into the role micronutrients play in our daily health, detailing how deficiencies and insufficiencies in vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, and amino acids can lead to serious health issues over time. Shane and Dr. Patrick also discuss the science behind deliberate heat exposure. She outlines the optimal sauna conditions—temperature, duration, and frequency—necessary to achieve these health benefits and explains the physiological mechanisms at play.
     
    Rhonda Patrick has a Ph.D. in biomedical science and a Bachelor of Science degree in biochemistry/chemistry from the University of California, San Diego. She has done extensive research on aging, cancer, and nutrition.
     

    (00:00) Intro

    (04:40) A philosophy for nutrition

    (15:36) Micronutrients through supplements vs. food

    (25:43) Wild-caught vs. farm-raised fish

    (28:44) Organic vs. non-organic vegetables

    (36:14) On macronutrients

    (40:20) How protein levels differ in different foods

    (45:27) The best morning smoothie recipe

    (54:48) Dr. Patrick grades Shane's "GOAT" smoothie recipe

    (59:14) Grass-fed vs. non-grass fed

    (01:04:40) On vitamin D (Is sunscreen killing us more than the sun?)

    (01:19:48) Deliberate heat and cold exposure

    (01:44:27) Top three behavioral and diet interventions for life and health improvements

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    #190 Brad Jacobs: Building a Business Empire

    #190 Brad Jacobs: Building a Business Empire
    Throughout his tenure, Brad Jacobs has built multiple billion-dollar companies. While there is no "playbook" for growing a business, he focuses on a few factors above all else in every company he operates, and in this conversation, he reveals them all.

    Shane and Jacobs discuss how to read anyone during an interview through a series of intentional questions, the exciting role of AI and technology in the future of business, and where money-making ideas hide in companies. Jacobs also shares how his training in math and music made him a better business operator, the one thing he focuses on to grow his businesses, how to spot big trends before everyone else, and the only thing a company should focus on for success.

    Brad Jacobs has started five companies from scratch and led each to become a billion-dollar or multibillion-dollar enterprise. These include three publicly traded companies: XPO Logistics, where he serves as Chairman and CEO, United Rentals, and United Waste Systems. Before starting XPO in 2011, Jacobs founded United Rentals in 1997 and led the company as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. In 1989, he founded United Waste Systems.
     
    (00:00) Intro
    (04:44) The future of AI
    (07:21) How to think rationally
    (08:48) The major trend
    (10:57) The research process
    (13:29) On asking better questions
    (19:35) On rearranging your brain
    (22:23) On music, math, simplicity, and business
    (32:26) Leverage, debt, and optionality
    (35:11) What it takes to take contrarian bets
    (40:45) Confidence and parents
    (50:21) Why negative-only feedback is detrimental for employees
    (56:14) Money lessons
    (58:13) A deep dive on M&A (Jacobs' secret sauce to growing his companies)
    (01:07:51) Questions to immediately get to know anyone
    (01:11:14) On boards and board meetings
    (01:16:57) On decision-making
    (01:23:37) The role of capital markets
    (01:25:41) The type of person you don't want to hire
    (01:31:16) The best capital allocators
    (01:33:53) Biggest lesson Jacobs learned from the past year
    (01:37:20) On success
     

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    #189 Chris Davis: Three Generations of Wealth

    #189 Chris Davis: Three Generations of Wealth

    Most families who obtain immense wealth squander it by the third generation. But Chris Davis comes from a family whose grandfather and father all became independently wealthy of each other, and Davis has done the same. How does that keep happening? In this conversation, we find out.

    Shane and Chris discuss life and investment lessons he learned from his father and grandfather, why writing is more important to clarify one's thinking no matter who's reading it, and the surprising benefit of reading physical newspapers and wearing ties to work. Davis also shares his value-investing philosophy, what he learned from working with and meeting Charlie Munger, and what parents can do to raise kids who aren't entitled. Davis talks about his alcohol drink tracker and why it's important to him, why he never puts himself in situations where envy can grow, and Warren Buffett's letter about why investment managers underperform.

    Chris Davis has been a Director of The Coca-Cola Company since April 2018. Davis is Chairman of Davis Selected Advisers-NY, Inc., an independent investment management firm founded in 1969. Davis joined Davis Selected Advisers-NY, Inc. in 1989 as a financial analyst and in 1995, he became a portfolio manager of the firm’s flagship funds. Prior to joining Davis Selected Advisers-NY, Inc., he served as a research analyst at Tanaka Capital Management and as an accountant at State Street Bank and Trust Co.

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    (00:00) Intro

    (03:20) Life lessons Davis learned from his grandfather and father

    (26:24) The importance of writing things no one reads

    (36:55) Davis' experiences through financial crises

    (52:31) Why Davis loves managing a mutual fund

    (55:49) Why Berkshire Hathaway operates with margin

    (01:01:05) What is risk?

    (01:04:02) On low interest rates and their future impact

    (01:14:46) The mismatched timelines between CEOs, companies, investors, and policy

    (01:22:19) How Davis and Munger met

    (01:30:20) Lessons learned from Munger

    (01:41:29) Why avoiding weaknesses is the ultimate recipe for success

    (01:55:46) How to raise non-entitled kids and avoid lifestyle creep

    (01:16:10) On happiness

    (02:27:00) Good vs. bad board meetings

    (02:31:34) Three generations of wealth

    (02:37:15) On success

    #188: Bryan Johnson: Five Habits for Longer Living

    #188: Bryan Johnson: Five Habits for Longer Living
    What can you do (or avoid) tomorrow to guarantee you can live longer?

    In this episode, Bryan Johnson reveals the five simple disciplines you can start doing to live healthier and longer. Johnson shares what his daily routine looks like, the ins and outs of his experimentation process, and why he gave his father plasma.

    Johnson also opens up about the constant hate he receives from people online, how he deals with it all, and what he wishes he'd known when he sold his company.

    Bryan Johnson is the world's most measured human. Johnson sold his company to PayPal in 2013. Through Project Blueprint, Johnson has achieved metabolic health equal to the top 1.5% of 18 year olds, inflammation 66% lower than the average 10 year old, and reduced his speed of aging by the equivalent of 31 years.

    Johnson is also the founder of Kernel, creator of the world’s first mainstream non-invasive neuroimaging system; and OS Fund, where he invested in the predictable engineering of atoms, molecules, and organisms.

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    (00:00:00) Intro

    (00:03:45) On biographies

    (00:08:03) On depression and coping mechanisms

    (00:14:18) Self-destructive behavior and how to pitch Blueprint to someone

    (00:26:50) What a day looks like on Blueprint (exercise and what to eat)

    (00:42:06) How to turn Blueprint protocols into habits

    (00:45:17) Embracing the hate

    (00:49:07) The downsides and lessons of making money

    (00:59:22) The five habits

    (01:05:09) Why does posture matter?

    (01:07:48) Relationship between biological health and sexual health

    (01:09:50) Hair-loss prevention

    (01:15:46) Sunscreen, plastics, and other miscellaneous impacts on aging

    (01:18:30) How will AI help us?

    (01:22:10) On success

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