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    #690 - Michael Easter - Why Can’t Humans Do Anything In Moderation?

    enOctober 07, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Our genes push us to consume more than neededOur evolutionary past drives us to overindulge in an abundant world, leading to behaviors like overeating, overspending, and seeking constant certainty. To live a balanced life, we must learn to harness abundance instead of being controlled by it.

      Our ancient survival instincts, which drove us to maximize resources in a world of scarcity, now lead us to overindulge in an abundant world. This is why moderation is so challenging for humans. Our genes, which helped our ancestors thrive, now push us to consume more food, possessions, and information than we need. This mismatch between our evolutionary past and modern world leads to behaviors like overeating, overspending, and seeking constant certainty. It's important to understand this loop to live a more balanced and intentional life. In essence, we need to learn how to harness the abundance around us instead of being controlled by it.

    • Understanding the Scarcity Loop and Its Impact on OverconsumptionThe scarcity loop, found in technologies and institutions like social media, personal finance apps, and gambling, keeps individuals engaged and wanting more, often leading to detrimental consequences.

      Technology and certain behaviors, such as those driven by the scarcity loop, are major contributors to overconsumption and pushing individuals into wanting more. The scarcity loop, which consists of opportunity, unpredictable rewards, and quick repeatability, is a behavior pattern found in various technologies and institutions, including social media, personal finance apps, and gambling. This loop is designed to keep individuals engaged and wanting more, often leading to detrimental consequences. The speaker discovered this concept through observing slot machines in a casino laboratory, where he spoke with a slot machine engineer. The engineer explained that the scarcity loop is what makes slot machines so addictive, as it offers the opportunity for a reward, the unpredictability of when and how valuable that reward will be, and the quick repeatability of playing the game. This loop is not limited to slot machines, but is also prevalent in many other aspects of modern life, making it an important concept to understand in regards to overconsumption and behavior modification.

    • The unpredictability of rewards keeps us engagedHumans are drawn to unpredictable rewards due to our evolutionary need to find resources, leading to a scarcity loop that can push individuals beyond moderation in activities like gambling and social media.

      The scarcity loop, or the unpredictability of rewards, is what makes gambling and other engaging activities so enthralling to humans. This concept was first discovered when psychologists noticed that animals, including pigeons, became more focused on unpredictable rewards rather than predictable ones, even if they received fewer rewards overall. This behavior is believed to have evolved from our ancestors' need to find food every day, and the excitement of discovering a larger food source. The use of elements like no clocks or irregular angles in casinos is not to create scarcity, but rather to enhance the overall gambling experience and keep players engaged in the scarcity loop. This loop can push individuals beyond moderation, leading to excessive gambling or other addictive behaviors. The appeal of unpredictable rewards is not limited to gambling, but is also seen in social media and other digital platforms, where the anticipation of a new message or notification can provide a similar rush of pleasure.

    • The Power of AnticipationAnticipation increases happiness and engagement, as seen in nightlife industry studies and effective systems like gambling, dating apps, email, and social media. Unpredictability and scarcity fuel excitement and keep users engaged for extended periods.

      Anticipation is a key driver of happiness and engagement. A study in the nightlife industry found that people were most happy while getting ready to go out with friends, highlighting the power of anticipation. This concept is also used effectively in various systems designed to grab and hold people's attention, such as gambling, dating apps, email, and social media. The unpredictability and scarcity of these platforms create a sense of excitement and keep users engaged for extended periods. Companies have leveraged this concept in advertising, using gamified features like spinning wheels to increase conversion rates. The nightlife study and the insights from experts like Huberman and Sam Harris underscore the importance of anticipation and the role it plays in creating positive experiences and driving engagement.

    • Online shopping as an escape from daily lifeOnline shopping's quick deals and limited time offers can lead to addictive behavior and a flow state, but overuse can be detrimental and lead to compulsive behavior. Recognize the potential harm and use in moderation.

      Online shopping platforms like Temu, which utilize scarcity and urgency through quick deals and limited time offers, can be addictive and serve as an effective escape from daily life for some individuals. This "casino of bargains" can lead to a flow state, where time seems to dissolve and the individual becomes fully engaged in the experience. However, if overused, this escape can become detrimental and lead to compulsive behavior. It's important to recognize the potential harm and use such systems in moderation. Additionally, there may be a balance of relaxation and agitation experienced when engaging in these activities, similar to using social media. Research suggests that even low-skill activities like gambling can lead to a flow state, where the skill requirement and skill level of the participant are closely matched. Further exploration into the concept of flow in compulsive behaviors like online shopping and gambling is necessary to fully understand their impact on individuals.

    • Captagon: A Widespread Addiction Problem in the Middle EastDespite its ban, Captagon production in Syria is rampant due to its ability to relieve trauma and provide short-term benefits, leading to widespread addiction in countries like Iraq. Comprehensive solutions beyond criminalization or medicalization are needed to address the complex nature of addiction.

      The use of Captagon, an amphetamine-like drug, has become a major issue in the Middle East, with billions of pills circulating despite its ban due to its ability to relieve trauma and provide short-term benefits, leading to addiction. Originating in the 1960s as a treatment for ADHD and depression, it was banned in the 1970s due to its overly effective stimulating properties. Production then shifted from Bulgarian gangs to Syrian government labs, leading to a widespread addiction problem in countries like Iraq, where trauma and instability created a demand for the drug. The US government has historically viewed addiction as a moral failing or a brain disease, but after observing the situation in Iraq, it seems to be more of a symptom of underlying issues and a lack of alternative solutions. The production of Captagon in Syria is now greater than legal exports, and attempts to stop it have resulted in seizures of billions of dollars' worth of pills. The addiction cycle created by Captagon highlights the complex nature of addiction and the need for comprehensive solutions beyond just criminalization or medicalization.

    • Addiction as a Brain DiseaseAddiction is a complex brain disease that can manifest in various forms, including drugs, technology, and food. The urge to escape problems can lead to short-term relief but long-term issues.

      Addiction is a complex issue that goes beyond personal behavior or moral failing. It's a brain disease that can manifest in various forms, from hard drugs to soft addictions like technology or food. The urge to escape problems is a common thread, and while it may provide short-term relief, it creates long-term issues. The uncertainty of life and the inherent uncertainty in data can lead some people to become overly reliant on finding answers or certainty, such as hypochondriacs. The discussion also highlighted the changing perspectives on addiction throughout history and the importance of understanding its complexity rather than stigmatizing those who struggle with it.

    • The Information Age Creates Uncertainty and DistrustIn the Information Age, the abundance of contradictory information and cultural movements can lead to uncertainty, distrust, and a lack of progress towards definitive answers to complex questions.

      In today's information age, people are often surrounded by an overwhelming amount of contradictory information on various topics, leading to uncertainty and a lack of conviction about what to believe. This phenomenon is not accidental but a deliberate result of the modern information landscape, which thrives on creating distrust and doubt towards all narratives. The Internet has made it easier than ever to find information that reinforces pre-existing beliefs or provides certainty about uncertain questions. However, this certainty is often short-lived as new information emerges, creating a cycle of uncertainty. The constant flux of cultural movements and counter-movements further exacerbates this issue, creating a vacuum for individuals to position themselves against each other. Ultimately, this can lead to a sense of confusion and a lack of progress towards finding definitive answers to complex questions.

    • The Complexity of Determining Truth and TrustIn a world of abundant information, it's crucial to be open-minded, question sources, and be aware of potential biases to make informed decisions.

      In today's world of abundant information, it can be challenging to determine what is true and who to trust. The concept of muscle confusion, for example, illustrates this complexity. While some sources may support the idea, others debunk it. The ease of fact-checking through the internet is both a blessing and a curse, as it allows us to verify information but also exposes us to a vast amount of conflicting opinions. The Zeigarnik effect, a psychological phenomenon, highlights our brains' preference for closure and our discomfort with open-ended situations. This desire for certainty can lead us to seek influence and status, which have become more accessible through social media. However, it's essential to remember that science is a process and that our understanding of the world is always evolving. Therefore, it's crucial to be open-minded, question sources, and be aware of the potential biases that influence our decision-making.

    • Two Types of Pride: Authentic and HubristicAuthentic pride comes from genuine accomplishments, while hubristic pride is about self-promotion without actual achievement. Social media blurs the lines between these two, and fame and influence can now be gained without genuine accomplishments, leading to confusion and potential fraud.

      Social media has made it easier than ever to display and even fake pride, status, and influence. Jessica Tracy's research shows that there are two types of pride: authentic and hubristic. Authentic pride comes from accomplishing something, while hubristic pride is about promoting oneself without actually achieving anything. In the past, it was easier to distinguish between these two types, but social media blurs the lines. Moreover, fame and influence can now be gained by being in the right place at the right time or even by doing nothing at all. This shift in how fame and influence are now obtained can lead to confusion and even make people look like frauds when their hubristic displays are exposed. The lesson for the modern world is that while social media provides new opportunities for fame and influence, it's essential to remember that authentic accomplishments and genuine connections still matter.

    • The power shift from actions to wordsThe obsession with status, fueled by social media, can lead people to prioritize performative empathy and chasing numbers over authentic connections and meaningful actions.

      The shift from people being judged by their actions to being judged by their words has given undue power to those who can manipulate or lie effectively. This trend, fueled by social media and the gamification of status, has led to a dangerous culture where performative empathy and status can overshadow actual deeds and intentions. Studies show that status, whether through material wealth or social media metrics, significantly impacts our behavior and outcomes. The obsession with influence and the quantifiable nature of status has created a feedback loop that can lead people to prioritize chasing numbers over authentic connections and meaningful actions. Examples of this phenomenon include high-profile figures who have been exposed for hypocrisy and cruelty despite their public image as champions for the little guy. The move from scarcity to abundance of status has turned it into a game, and it's important to be aware of the potential pitfalls and strive for authenticity and empathy in our interactions.

    • Prioritizing observable metrics can negatively impact hidden onesBe aware of the potential negative impact of focusing too much on observable metrics, and make an effort to regularly check in with yourself to prioritize hidden metrics like peace of mind and relationships.

      Our focus on observable metrics, such as likes, followers, and scores, can lead us to prioritize behaviors that may negatively impact hidden metrics, like peace of mind, relationships, and health. This phenomenon, known as "gamification," can be seen in various contexts, from social media to the wine industry. For instance, politicians and winemakers have been found to increase negativity in their messages and products, respectively, in order to boost their public image and sales. However, the long-term costs of these choices, such as decreased sanity or relationship quality, may not be immediately apparent. To address this issue, it's crucial to make hidden metrics observable by regularly checking in with ourselves and journaling our thoughts and feelings. By doing so, we can make more informed decisions that align with our values and prioritize what truly matters to us.

    • Obsessing over metrics can distort goals and behaviorsFocusing too much on metrics can lead to unintended consequences and neglecting the true purpose of our actions

      Our obsession with metrics and numbers, whether it's related to health, academics, or even food, can lead us to focus on the wrong things and overlook the bigger picture. The use of activity trackers and grades as measures of success can distort our goals and behaviors. These metrics, derived from flawed systems and algorithms, can create unintended consequences. For instance, an overemphasis on reducing fraud can result in poor customer service experiences. Similarly, a fixation on grades can lead students to neglect the true purpose of attending university, which is to learn and grow as individuals. It's essential to remember that these metrics are just tools and should not be the sole determinants of our success or happiness. Instead, we should focus on the underlying principles and values that drive us to pursue these goals in the first place.

    • The Impact of Ultra-Processed Foods on HealthUltra-processed foods, which are convenient and palatable, contribute significantly to health issues like heart disease. A return to whole, minimally processed foods may be beneficial for overall health.

      After World War 2, companies began investing heavily in creating ultra-processed foods to increase snacking and maximize profits. These foods, which offer value, variety, and velocity, are designed to increase consumption due to their convenience and palatability. Research shows that people consume fewer calories when eating minimally processed foods, as they take longer to eat and are less dense in calories. Conversely, ultra-processed foods, which have a high calorie density, can be consumed quickly and in large quantities. The Tsimane tribe in the Bolivian Amazon, who have the healthiest hearts ever recorded, provide an interesting contrast. Their heart health is attributed to their traditional diet, which doesn't conform to popular diets like paleo, vegan, low-carb, or low-fat. Instead, their diet is characterized by a variety of whole, unprocessed foods. The key takeaway is that the ultra-processed foods that have become ubiquitous in the developed world contribute significantly to health issues like heart disease, and a return to whole, minimally processed foods may be beneficial for overall health.

    • Breaking the cycle of overconsumptionBecome aware of behaviors, focus on whole foods, and be intentional to reduce overconsumption in various areas of life

      The key to breaking the cycle of overconsumption lies in becoming aware of our behaviors and making deliberate changes. The discussion highlighted that many processed foods are designed to be addictive due to their unpredictable rewards and quick repeatability. By contrast, focusing on whole foods with one ingredient, like potatoes, can help reduce overeating because they are less stimulating and require more effort to consume. To apply this principle to other areas of life, such as social media or shopping, one can change the opportunity, unpredictable rewards, or speed of the behavior. For instance, using apps that add a delay before opening another app or following a specific purpose on social media can help reduce usage. Overall, being intentional and mindful of our habits is crucial in breaking the scarcity loop and leading healthier, more balanced lives.

    • Exploring the importance of discernment in a world of abundanceQuestion your motivations before buying or consuming, and practice discernment to avoid overloading on information and stimuli.

      In today's world of abundance, it's essential to question our motivations behind buying things and consuming information. We often buy or consume out of boredom or the desire to belong, but taking a step back and waiting before making a purchase can help us assess if we truly need the item. The abundance of information and stimuli we're exposed to daily requires us to develop the skill of discernment to avoid overloading on everything. Michael Easter, the speaker in this conversation, emphasizes the importance of this issue and shares his experiences with exploring this topic through his Substack newsletter, 2% (twopct.com). His book, "Scarcity Brain," provides further insights on this topic and is available anywhere books are sold.

    • Exploring the importance of growth mindsetStay focused, keep learning, and never stop exploring to embrace new opportunities and challenges

      The conversation ended on a positive note, with a sense of anticipation for future developments. Throughout the discussion, various topics were explored, including the importance of staying focused on goals, the benefits of continuous learning, and the value of seeking out new experiences. The speaker expressed enthusiasm for the future and encouraged the listener to keep pushing forward. Ultimately, the conversation underscored the importance of maintaining a growth mindset and embracing the unknown. So, whether you're starting a new project, pursuing a new goal, or simply looking to learn something new, remember that every step forward brings new opportunities and challenges. Stay focused, keep learning, and never stop exploring. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next.

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