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    #825 - Macken Murphy - The New Science Of Why Men & Women Cheat

    enAugust 15, 2024
    What is the dual mating hypothesis in infidelity?
    How do men and women differ in infidelity motivations?
    What are emotional affairs said to explore according to the text?
    Why might women prefer mate switching over current partners?
    What complexities challenge previous views on infidelity's motivations?

    Podcast Summary

    • Evolutionary drivers of infidelityRecent research challenges the dual mating hypothesis, suggesting women might be more inclined towards mate switching for a new and overall better mate, adding complexity to the evolutionary reasons for infidelity

      The evolutionary drivers behind infidelity in men and women might not be as straightforward as previously thought. A long-standing hypothesis suggested that women's infidelity is driven by the desire to obtain better genes while maintaining the investment from their primary partner. However, recent research has challenged this dual mating hypothesis, suggesting that women might be more inclined towards mate switching, aiming for a new and overall better mate. The debate continues, but it's clear that the evolutionary reasons for infidelity are more complex than previously believed. Mackin Murphy, an evolutionary biologist, discussed these findings and more in a recent study. Additionally, the conversation touched on the common behaviors of unfaithful individuals, the heritability of infidelity, and the concept of one-time cheating. Overall, this episode sheds light on the intricacies of human relationships and the ongoing research in the field of evolutionary psychology.

    • Female infidelity hypothesesStudy found slight physical attraction difference between affair and primary partners, but no significant difference in parental attractiveness or mate value

      Researchers have proposed two hypotheses to explain why women engage in infidelity: mate switching and dual mating. Mate switching suggests that women cheat to obtain a better mate overall, while dual mating proposes that they seek better genes and pair them with good parenting. A study aimed to test these hypotheses by comparing ratings of affair partners and primary partners in areas of physical attractiveness, parental attractiveness, mate value, and overall desirability. The results showed that affair partners were rated as slightly more physically attractive on average, but there was no significant difference in parental attractiveness or mate value. The study's findings suggest that both hypotheses may have some validity, but further research is needed to fully understand the complex motivations behind female infidelity.

    • Human Mating StrategiesBoth men and women tend to cheat with less attractive partners in terms of parenting abilities but more attractive partners physically, challenging the conventional wisdom on gender differences in infidelity motives.

      The study on infidelity and mate preferences supports the dual mating hypothesis, which suggests humans prioritize different benefits in fair partners versus primary partners. Contrary to popular belief, both men and women tend to cheat with partners who are more attractive physically, but less attractive in terms of parenting abilities. This pattern holds true even when considering the potential influence of ovulatory shifts, which is a subhypothesis of dual mating. The findings challenge the conventional wisdom that men cheat primarily for quantity reasons, and that women's infidelity is driven by quality motives. The study's results highlight the importance of understanding the complexity of human mating strategies and the potential benefits sought in various relationships.

    • Infidelity and gender differencesWhile relationship dissatisfaction is a common reason for infidelity for both sexes, it's more frequently mentioned by women, indicating gender differences in motivations for infidelity

      The motivation for infidelity, particularly in relationship dissatisfaction, varies significantly between men and women. While relationship dissatisfaction was the most common reason given by both sexes, it was much more frequently mentioned by women. This finding supports historical trends suggesting women are more likely to have infidelity driven by relationship dissatisfaction. However, it's important to note that not all women who engage in infidelity are looking to end their relationships. Some may be emotionally intimate with their affair partners but still want to keep their primary relationship. The reasons for infidelity are complex and multifaceted, and further research is needed to fully understand these dynamics.

    • Infidelity motivationsPeople's stated motivations for infidelity may not align with their actual reasons, and societal influences can impact individual preferences

      The evidence often cited for the mate switching hypothesis, which suggests women are more likely to fall in love with their affair partners than men, may not be as strong as it seems. During a discussion, it was pointed out that in their research, fewer than 5% of participants, both men and women, reported being motivated by love for their affair partners. Additionally, the distinction between individual-level preferences and societal-level concerns was raised in relation to eugenics and embryo selection. A study was mentioned that found people's stated preferences for traits in a partner differed significantly from their revealed preferences. For instance, while people often say they want loyalty as a top trait, in practice, they might prioritize being a good lover. These findings challenge the assumption that people's stated motivations for infidelity are always driven by love for their affair partners.

    • Women's reasons for infidelityWomen's reasons for infidelity are complex and multifaceted, including physical attraction, relationship dissatisfaction, lack of investment, and revenge. Societal and cultural factors, as well as access to contraceptives, also play a role.

      Women's reasons for having affairs are complex and multifaceted, and not all of them can be explained by the dual mating strategy. While some women did mention physical attraction and genetic heterogeneity as motivations, others cited relationship dissatisfaction, lack of investment from their primary partners, and revenge as reasons for cheating. The prevalence of infidelity among women may also be influenced by societal and cultural factors, as well as the availability of contraceptives and other means of controlling paternity. The data suggests that women's investment in offspring is largely obligate, and they are more choosy about their mates due to the physical and emotional costs of pregnancy and child-rearing. Women's concerns about their partners' investment and potential for infidelity may signal lower mate value and lead to mate switching, breakups, or backup plans. Overall, the evidence points to infidelity being a natural part of human evolution, with modern rates being influenced by cultural and technological factors.

    • Dual mating hypothesisThe dual mating hypothesis, which suggests both men and women engage in infidelity for different reasons, is significant despite often being dismissed based on a 2% statistic. Men report dissatisfaction, desire, and attractive partners as reasons for infidelity at higher rates, but both genders have various motivations.

      The dual mating hypothesis, which suggests that both men and women engage in infidelity for different reasons, is a complex issue that goes beyond the 2% statistic often cited as evidence against it. Reconsidering this number as a hit rate instead of an attempt rate, and acknowledging its relevance over long periods of time from an evolutionary perspective, challenges the notion that dual mating is insignificant. Regarding men's motivations, research indicates that about 30% of men report dissatisfaction in their relationships, and a significant number of these men (16%) cite an attractive affair partner as a reason for their infidelity. Men also report sexual desire as a motivation at a higher rate (14%) compared to women. However, these numbers may be subject to reporting biases, and it's essential to remember that both men and women cheat for various reasons. Other potential infidelity hypotheses, such as multiple investors and information acquisition, have also been proposed but receive less attention. Ultimately, understanding the complexities of human sexual behavior requires acknowledging the agency of both men and women and exploring the various motivations behind infidelity.

    • Infidelity motivationsInfidelity can serve various purposes beyond emotional or sexual needs, including acquiring new skills, improving personal value, and obtaining additional resources, particularly in situations where resources are scarce. Men tend to focus on sexual infidelity due to paternity uncertainty, while women tend to focus on emotional infidelity due to investment uncertainty.

      Infidelity can serve various purposes beyond just emotional or sexual needs. Some individuals may engage in infidelity to acquire new skills, improve their own value, or obtain additional resources. These motivations are particularly relevant in situations where resources are scarce. The dual mating hypothesis, which suggests that both men and women seek out multiple partners for different reasons, aligns with the evolutionary psychology literature on jealousy and sex differences. Men tend to be more concerned with sexual infidelity due to paternity uncertainty, while women are more concerned with emotional infidelity due to investment uncertainty. The landscape of sex differences in jealousy is complex, and it's essential to consider these motivations when examining infidelity.

    • Infidelity causes and benefitsAnciently, high infidelity rates could lead to raising non-biological children, but in modern times, it's not a major concern. The Cuckoldree conundrum suggests benefits in investing in non-biological offspring. Predictors include a history of cheating, extra-pair interest, narcissism, and premarital sex.

      Infidelity and its causes have been a subject of interest in various contexts throughout history. In ancestral contexts, high rates of infidelity could lead to men raising children that aren't theirs, which was a significant concern. However, in modern times, with the availability of contraception and strong social norms against infidelity, it's not a major concern. The Cuckoldree conundrum theory suggests that sometimes investing in children who aren't biologically yours can be beneficial from a social and evolutionary perspective. The debate around infidelity and its predictors has seen political reversals, with findings that were once championed as feminist ideas now being dismissed by some feminist groups. Some predictors of infidelity include a history of cheating, extra-pair interest, narcissism, and a general history of promiscuity. The single biggest predictor of extramarital sex might be premarital sex. It's important to note that these findings are not definitive, and individual experiences can vary greatly.

    • Sexual history and relationship faithfulnessPeople's sexual history and preferences can influence their potential faithfulness in a relationship. Trusting instincts and observing certain behaviors can help detect infidelity, but communication and understanding are key.

      The concept of "damage" or one's sexual history can influence their potential faithfulness in a relationship. Some people may find that their past sexual experiences have created a preference for novelty, making it harder for them to remain monogamous. Others may find that their restricted nature keeps them faithful. The number of sexual partners one has had, or their "body count," can be a rough indicator of infidelity likelihood, but it's not definitive. Trusting one's instincts and observing certain behaviors, such as digital secrecy, can be signs of potential infidelity. Evolution has prepared us to detect partner infidelity, and open relationships and different cultural norms can impact what is considered cheating. Ultimately, communication and understanding of each other's needs and desires are crucial in maintaining a faithful relationship.

    • Dual mating hypothesisThe dual mating hypothesis suggests emotional affairs may be about exploring potential new mates and increasing genetic fitness, not just emotional connection

      The function of emotional affairs, particularly those that don't involve physical intimacy, may be more about exploring potential new mates or "mate switching" rather than just seeking emotional connection. This theory, known as the dual mating hypothesis, suggests that both sexual and emotional infidelity serve the purpose of increasing one's genetic fitness by exploring alternative mates. However, it's important to note that this is just one hypothesis, and more research is needed to fully understand the complex nature of infidelity and its various motivations. Additionally, the debate around what constitutes infidelity and the role of genes in shaping our behaviors is ongoing and intriguing.

    • Modern monogamyWhile some theories on monogamy in humans may have historical basis, they may not hold true in modern times as humans engage in extra-pair mating, and it's essential to approach these theories with caution and rigorous testing.

      While the idea of kin selection and the "rich gay uncle hypothesis" may have some basis in our ancestry, they may not hold true in modern times. The repeated phenomenon of some individuals being consistently cheated on could be due to various reasons, including their own behaviors or skills in mate selection. The study on women's infidelity did not significantly change the speaker's perspective on the naturalness of infidelity or monogamy, as extra-pair mating and strategic evolution have been observed in socially monogamous mammals. It is essential to remember that monogamy in humans and other animals can refer to different things, including social, genetic, or sexual monogamy. Most socially monogamous species engage in extra-pair mating, and humans are no exception. Therefore, the speaker's view on our species' social monogamy remains unchanged. However, the study did surprise the speaker in that she expected a higher rate of mate switching based on previous arguments. Ultimately, it is crucial to approach these hypotheses with caution and rigorously test them to avoid jumping to conclusions based on fun stories or assumptions.

    • Human monogamyDespite the possibility of dual mating strategies, most women engage in monogamous relationships and psychological mechanisms support this behavior. Human sexual stability is a defining characteristic, even in instances of infidelity.

      While humans may exhibit dual mating strategies, this does not necessarily mean we are not naturally monogamous. The majority of women engage in monogamous relationships and the psychological mechanisms undergirding their behavior support this. The idea that ovulatory shifts may influence infidelity is intriguing but not yet definitively proven, and the dual mating hypothesis does not rely on this concept. Sexual stability across the cycle is a defining characteristic of humans, even in the context of infidelity. For more information on these topics, check out Chris Williamson's podcast "Species" and his course on human evolution.

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    Alex Hormozi is a founder, investor and an author. Alex’s Twitter has been one of my favourite sources of insights over the last few years. Today we get to go through some of his best lessons about life, human behaviour, psychology, business and resilience. Yet again this is so, so good. Expect to learn how to stop being indecisive and take action, how to persevere when things get rough, why overnight successes don’t happen overnight, why Alex hates being around negative people, if there is a wrong way to live your 20s, the single most important habit to cultivate in life and much more... Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get a 20% discount on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first box at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period from Shopify at https://shopify.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
    Modern Wisdom
    enAugust 26, 2024

    #829 - Dr Leah Lagos - How To Improve Your Heart Rate Variability

    #829 - Dr Leah Lagos - How To Improve Your Heart Rate Variability
    Dr Leah Lagos is a clinical psychologist, HRV performance coach and an author. Heart Rate Variability is one of the most important new metrics that people are using to gauge heart health, longevity and fitness, but improving it can be a minefield. Thankfully Dr Lagos has spent decades optimising the HRVs of some of the world's highest performers and today we get to hear her best advice. Expect to learn the crucial relationship between HRV and your brain function plus heart health, the best way to improve your HRV, what most people get wrong when trying to optimise their HRV, the most surprising factors that can impact your HRV, the role of breath, stress and fitness and much more... Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get a 20% discount on Nomatic’s amazing luggage at https://nomatic.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get up to 37% discount on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get 10% discount on all Gymshark’s products at https://gym.sh/modernwisdom (use code MW10)  Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
    Modern Wisdom
    enAugust 24, 2024