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    837: Seeing Greene (w/Meet Kevin!): Cash Flow Won’t Ever Make You Rich

    enOctober 29, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Caution and Careful Consideration in Real Estate InvestingBe cautious when evaluating real estate investment opportunities, consider no money down turnkey rentals and private real estate funds for passive income, and partner with reputable companies like Rent A Retirement, PPR Capital Management, and BAM Capital for long-term wealth building or monthly income.

      Not every real estate investment opportunity is worth pursuing. During this episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, David Green and Kevin of YouTube discussed various topics, including the economy and individual deals. They emphasized the importance of being cautious and avoiding poor investments. Additionally, they highlighted two exciting investment opportunities: Rent A Retirement's no money down turnkey rental properties and PPR Capital Management's private real estate funds for accredited investors. These options offer passive income and potential financial gains without the usual hassles and responsibilities of property ownership. The episode also underscored the significance of partnering with reputable companies for investing, as market conditions can be unpredictable. BAM Capital, a multifamily syndicator with a strong track record, was highlighted as a trusted choice for accredited investors seeking long-term wealth building or monthly income opportunities. To sum up, this episode emphasized the importance of carefully considering investment opportunities and partnering with reliable companies to maximize returns and minimize risks.

    • Shifting focus from cash flow to equity growthExperienced real estate investors prioritize equity growth over cash flow for long-term financial independence, avoiding taxes and spending habits.

      Successful real estate investors, like Kevin, prioritize building equity over focusing solely on cash flow. While cash flow is important when starting out, experienced investors shift their focus towards equity growth, which is not subjected to taxes. This strategy allows them to avoid spending the income, leading to wealth accumulation. The idea is that the harder it is to access investments, the less likely one is to spend it. However, it's important to note that investing in properties with negative cash flow can be risky. Additionally, relying too heavily on cash flow and spending it carelessly can hinder financial growth. Instead, aiming for equity growth can lead to long-term financial independence.

    • Controlling cash flow with real estate investmentsWhile real estate investments can be risky for those with limited income or high negative cash flow, focusing on equity growth can help build wealth. Consider individual suitability and financial resources before making significant investments.

      While it can be challenging to control cash flow with real estate investments due to market rents and expenses, there is more control over building wealth through equity. However, making payments on a property with a low income or high negative cash flow can be risky and potentially lead to financial instability. It's essential to consider individual suitability, income level, and the ability to float additional investment costs before making significant real estate investments. Increasing income before investing may be a wiser choice for those with limited financial resources. Overall, large negative cash flows are generally a bad idea for most individuals.

    • Beyond Cash Flow: Building Wealth in Real EstateConsider tax benefits, principal paydown, and long-term equity growth when investing in real estate for wealth creation. Seek accurate and comprehensive information. Be cautious in partnerships and explore alternative sources of capital when dealing with trapped capital.

      Focusing solely on cash flow in real estate investing can be limiting and may cause you to overlook other significant sources of wealth creation such as tax benefits, principal paydown, and long-term equity growth. The speaker emphasizes the importance of considering these factors in building wealth through real estate, which can take longer to accrue but offers more substantial returns in the long run. Additionally, the speaker warns against relying solely on free sources of information, particularly those that sensationalize investing, and encourages seeking out accurate and comprehensive information to make informed decisions. For those facing the issue of trapped capital in their rental properties, the speaker suggests exploring partnerships carefully, considering the risks and potential negative impacts on relationships, and looking for alternative sources of capital to continue growing their portfolio.

    • Partnering in Real Estate: Challenges and SolutionsFocus on making decisions with a team instead of partners, have multiple income sources, avoid over-leverage, prioritize personal growth, and work hard to build wealth as a capitalist.

      Having a partnership in real estate can be challenging for those who prefer control and autonomy. The speaker shares his experience of not working well with partners and instead focusing on making decisions with a team. He also emphasizes the importance of having multiple sources of income and not being overly leveraged, using the analogy of "piggy banks" for emergency funds. Additionally, the speaker encourages personal growth and developing valuable skills rather than relying on easy solutions. He emphasizes the importance of becoming a capitalist and working hard to build wealth in real estate and beyond.

    • Gaining knowledge and skills through hands-on experienceContinuous learning and improvement are essential for success in business or investing. Gain licenses, learn new skills, and use tools like DealMachine and PropStream to streamline the process.

      Building a successful business or investing career requires gaining knowledge and skills through hands-on experience. Obtaining licenses in various fields like real estate or finance can serve as a starting point and provide valuable insights. However, to truly provide value and succeed, continuous learning and improvement are necessary. The BRRRR method, for instance, involves renovating fixer-upper properties, which requires people and accounting skills, among others. Working hard and gaining experience early on can lead to greater opportunities and financial rewards in the future. Moreover, diversifying income streams can help overcome challenges and lead to greater success. Tools like DealMachine and PropStream can aid in lead generation and data analysis, making the process more efficient. Lastly, securing insurance coverage for rental properties can be streamlined with modern platforms like Steadily.com, allowing for fast and affordable policies.

    • Steadily offers customized rental property insurance solutions for landlordsLandlords can secure the best coverage for their properties with Steadily, while BetterHelp helps individuals prioritize through online therapy and Fundrise's new private credit strategy offers high interest rates for investors

      Steadily offers customized rental property insurance solutions for landlords, saving them time and money. Albert Ngo's investment situation, where he owns a 100% leveraged triplex that's breaking even, is considered a good investment according to the "buying window" rule. With Steadily, landlords can secure the best coverage for their properties, while BetterHelp can help individuals make time for their priorities through online therapy. In the current market, Fundrise's new private credit strategy presents an opportunity for investors to earn high interest rates by providing funding to top real estate investors.

    • Cash flow is important, but not the only factor in real estate investingFocus on equity and potential appreciation while having other sources of income to cover expenses during the waiting period. Cash flow is important, but not the sole deciding factor in a good investment.

      While cash flow is an important factor in real estate investing, it's not the only thing to consider. A good investment can bring significant equity and potential appreciation, but it's essential to have other sources of income to cover expenses during the waiting period. The speaker shared an example of a friend who bought a triplex in a good market, which appraised for much more than what he paid, but the friend was considering selling due to the lack of immediate cash flow. The moral of the story is that cash flow is important, but it should not be the sole deciding factor when evaluating real estate investments. Additionally, the speakers appreciated the comments from listeners, including one from Julian Colvard, who shared his own struggles in real estate investing. They also encouraged listeners to focus on volume over perfection and to keep learning and making offers to find great deals. Finally, they encouraged listeners to submit their questions to be featured on the show.

    • Background in property management beneficial for real estate careerHaving a background in property management can provide valuable insights for real estate investing or agency work. Demonstrating financial stability with necessary documentation is crucial for securing a loan.

      Having practical experience in property management can be a valuable asset when starting a career in real estate. Hayden's background as a housekeeper for a rental property management company provides them with unique insights into desirable features and maintenance needs, making them a strong candidate for real estate investing or agency work. Additionally, securing private money investors requires having cash in hand, and lenders will consider debts when evaluating loan applications. To get started in real estate, it's essential to qualify for a loan by demonstrating financial stability and providing necessary documentation, such as tax returns and proof of income.

    • From unsatisfying jobs to real estate investingTransition from unfulfilling careers to real estate investing, using W-2 income as down payment. Focus on self-improvement and various strategies like FHA loans, house hacking, or flipping houses to succeed.

      People who dislike their jobs may find fulfillment and financial success through real estate investing. Some individuals have transitioned from unsatisfying careers into real estate, using their W-2 income as a down payment generator. However, it's crucial to understand that investing requires effort and improvement in various areas of life. Boris, for example, could consider using an FHA loan and house hacking to buy a property and turn it into a rental. If qualifying for an FHA loan is a challenge, perhaps real estate investing isn't the best fit. David emphasized that it's essential to eat the frog (take on the difficult tasks) and make improvements to increase earning potential. In contrast to the common belief that real estate investing always involves significant debt, David suggested that sometimes, it might be more feasible to flip a house instead of buying and holding. The profit margin for flipping depends on various factors, including expenses and personal preferences. David doesn't enjoy flipping houses due to the numerous expenses involved. Instead, he recommended focusing on improving oneself and one's financial situation to succeed in real estate investing.

    • Flipping properties: less risk, more costs and risksConsider location, cash flow, personal comfort level, and holistic assessment for flipping or buying-and-holding properties.

      Flipping properties can be a good strategy in appreciating markets due to less risk, but it comes with significant costs and risks in today's market. Institutional flippers like Zillow, Redfin, and Open Doors have scaled back due to these challenges. The decision to flip or buy-and-hold depends on the property's location, cash flow, and personal comfort level. For smaller properties in desirable areas with positive cash flow, it often makes sense to keep them as part of a BRRRR strategy for long-term gains. However, if the property is in a bad location or requires excessive repairs, selling it to someone else may be the more efficient choice. Ultimately, the decision should be based on a holistic assessment of the property's potential for future appreciation, cash flow, and personal comfort level. Additionally, considering one's competitive advantage and comfort level in the local market is crucial.

    • Overreliance on spreadsheets can lead to missed realities in real estate dealsWhile spreadsheets are useful for analyzing deals, they should not be the sole decision-making tool. Market knowledge, liquidity, and partnership communication are essential for successful real estate investments.

      While spreadsheets can be helpful in analyzing real estate deals, they should not be the sole decision-making tool. Liquidity of sale and renting are crucial factors to consider, and market knowledge is essential. Overreliance on spreadsheets can lead to justifying bad deals or ignoring important realities like evictions and market rents. For partnerships in real estate projects, it's important to carefully consider the financial and management aspects, especially in the current market where short-term rentals may not be as profitable as before due to increased competition and regulation. It's crucial to have clear communication, defined roles, and a solid business plan to ensure a successful partnership.

    • Misrepresented high returns in short term rentalsInvesting in short term rentals without proper research, experience, and capital can lead to long hours and lower returns.

      Getting into short term rentals with little experience, lack of capital, and bringing in inexperienced partners is a risky proposition. It's important to remember that the net income from short term rentals may not be as high as it seems, and managing the properties can be a time-consuming job. These misleading representations of high returns can lead investors into making poor decisions. Instead, it's crucial to have a solid understanding of the market, experience in real estate, and sufficient capital before venturing into short term rentals. Otherwise, one might end up working long hours for a lower salary than expected.

    • Gain experience in real estate before investingConsider buying a house to gain real estate experience, rent out rooms or short-term rent, and use a 5% down loan to build skills and resources

      If you're considering investing in real estate, it might be wise to gain some experience first before entering into partnerships with inexperienced individuals. Instead, consider buying a house in a desirable neighborhood, renting out rooms or even short-term renting parts of it, and using a 5% down loan to build up your skills and resources. By earning your own money, you might not even need the partners later. The hosts also mentioned a startup called Househack, which can be learned about on their website, but they emphasized the risks involved with investing in startups. Overall, the key takeaway is to focus on gaining experience and knowledge before jumping into potentially complex partnerships or investments.

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