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    840: Seeing Greene: Rehab Costs, Renting vs. Owning, and The END of Real Estate?

    enNovember 05, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Crucial Steps in Real Estate Rehab ProjectsFrom getting preapproved to making substantial income, follow the right order of steps in real estate rehab projects to maximize investments. Decide on cash flowing negatively, consider the aging population's impact, and build a core team. Utilize resources like BiggerPockets and DealMachine.

      There are crucial steps to follow when it comes to rehab projects, from getting preapproved, obtaining bids on construction, writing offers, and moving forward with escrow. The order of these steps can significantly impact your real estate investments. Additionally, the discussion covered the complexity of deciding whether it's acceptable to cash flow negatively while making a substantial income. The aging population and its potential impact on real estate values was also explored. A quick tip was given to build a core team and start your real estate journey, and resources like BiggerPockets and DealMachine were recommended to help. Furthermore, the possibility of owning real estate while still renting where you live was addressed. Overall, the episode provided valuable insights into various aspects of real estate investing.

    • Passively investing in real estate funds like PPR Capital ManagementWealthy investors have long relied on private real estate funds for monthly income without property management hassles. PPR Capital Management, with $500M AUM and a strong track record since 2007, is a reliable choice.

      For those looking to invest in real estate passively and earn monthly income without the hassle of property management, investing in a private real estate fund like PPR Capital Management could be an excellent option. This strategy has been popular among the wealthy for years, and PPR, with over half a billion dollars in assets under management and a strong track record since 2007, is a reliable choice. For those interested in the BRRRR strategy, a common question is whether to secure contractor bids before or after submitting an offer on a property. While getting bids beforehand can provide certainty for the offer, it may not be feasible for every property or for those investing from a distance. In such cases, inexperienced rehabbers can inform their renovation estimate by researching local costs, consulting industry resources, and seeking advice from professionals or experienced investors. Accurately estimating renovation costs is crucial, as it can significantly impact the profitability of a BRRRR investment.

    • Wait for contractor's bid after offer acceptedAfter writing an offer on a property, wait for acceptance before getting a contractor's bid to ensure a clear understanding of repair costs and property condition before committing to the purchase.

      When making an offer on a property, especially in real estate investing, it's important to get a contractor's bid after writing the offer, not before. The reason being is that writing an offer is a low-commitment step, similar to asking for a first date, and it doesn't lock you into the deal. However, including contingencies and a low earnest money deposit can protect you in case the deal falls through. Once you have the offer accepted, have a home inspector and contractor inspect the property together to identify any necessary repairs and get itemized bids for the work. This way, you can make an informed decision on whether to drop the price, move forward with closing, or back out of the deal. Remember, the goal is to have a clear understanding of the property's condition and repair costs before committing to the purchase.

    • Inspect property and request disclosuresThoroughly inspect properties, request seller disclosures, and use clear language during negotiations to make informed real estate decisions.

      During a real estate transaction, it's crucial to thoroughly inspect the property and request disclosures from the seller. The initial appearance of a property might be deceiving, and hidden issues could significantly increase the cost of repairs. When negotiating, it's essential to use clear language, such as "this wasn't disclosed," instead of "this isn't what I thought it was." This puts the buyer in a stronger position and prevents the seller from questioning their motives. When estimating repair costs for a long-distance investment, it's challenging to rely solely on online pictures. Sending someone to the property to take videos and consulting with a contractor is recommended to obtain a more accurate assessment. Ultimately, a combination of research, communication, and professional expertise is necessary to make informed decisions in real estate transactions.

    • Negotiating home inspection costs with contractor's estimated rangeProviding a contractor's estimated range during negotiations can create comfort and leverage, involve the agent, and employ the sequencing strategy.

      During home inspection negotiations, providing a contractor's estimated range instead of a definitive number can help both parties feel more comfortable and maintain respect. This approach allows room for negotiation and gives the agent or buyer more leverage. It's essential to involve the real estate agent in taking the video for the inspection, as the listing agent might be reluctant to help in the negotiation process. This technique, called "sequencing," was discussed in the podcast episode, and it's a valuable strategy for successful negotiations. If you'd like to engage with Sean Lenehan, you can find him on BiggerPockets under the username "Sean Lenehan" or on Instagram with the same handle. Remember, leaving comments, liking, subscribing, and sharing the videos on YouTube can help support the creators and expand the reach of their content.

    • Real Estate Investing Insights and EncouragementListeners appreciate the valuable insights and encouragement provided by the hosts for determining potential rental income through the rent estimator tool and navigating the real estate market.

      The rent estimator tool is a valuable resource for real estate investors looking to purchase houses across the country and determine potential rental income. Listeners of the podcast, including a grateful listener who wishes they had discovered it earlier during the COVID-19 pandemic, appreciate the knowledge and encouragement provided by the hosts. In a sincere and heartfelt comment, a listener praised the hosts for delivering tough conversations and truths, even when they're difficult to hear. Rob shared a personal story about receiving harsh advice on a fashion investment and ultimately being grateful for it. Integra Development Group was highlighted for simplifying the real estate investing process with their new construction single family rent to own homes, providing immediate cash flow, above average rent, and built-in equity. Overall, the podcast and the community it fosters offer valuable insights, encouragement, and truths that help investors navigate the real estate market.

    • Exploring Alternatives for Stress-Free Real Estate InvestingConsider SimpliSafe for DIY home security and professional monitoring, Pine Financial Group for passive income through mortgage funds, and NREIG for simplified insurance management to minimize stress and hassle in real estate investing.

      There are various ways to secure peace of mind in real estate investing beyond self-management. SimpliSafe offers a DIY home security system with professional monitoring, providing protection against break-ins, fires, and floods. For passive income, Pine Financial Group's mortgage fund offers attractive returns by lending to house flippers. NREIG caters to real estate investors, simplifying insurance management for multiple properties. Regarding a negative cash flow investment in a good location, it might be acceptable if one can afford it and is counting on future appreciation. However, it's essential to consider creative ways to add value and mitigate risks. These solutions can contribute to stress-free and profitable real estate investments. SimpliSafe: Award-winning home security system with DIY installation and professional monitoring. Pine Financial Group: Passive income through mortgage fund investments, targeted 8% preferred return, and secure senior lien holder position. NREIG: Simplified insurance management for real estate investors, catering to various property types and offering one monthly bill. By exploring these options, investors can focus on growing their portfolios while minimizing stress and hassle.

    • Caution: Small Real Estate Losses Can Add UpSmall monthly losses in real estate investments can accumulate and become significant, especially during uncertain economic times. Consider current income and future financial stability before investing.

      While it might be tempting to believe that losing a few hundred dollars each month on a real estate investment will be offset by future appreciation, the current economic climate warrants caution. The speaker emphasizes that unexpected financial situations can make even small losses feel significant, and there are other risks in real estate beyond cash flow, such as city regulations, construction issues, and tenant damage. Additionally, the speaker suggests that speculating on appreciation without a solid value add to the property is risky. It's essential to consider the current income situation and future financial stability when making real estate investment decisions.

    • Considering risks of tenants not paying rentInvestors must balance potential income and risks, prioritizing financial security over some income to minimize losses and maximize long-term gains.

      While calculating potential rental income and expenses is crucial for real estate investment, it's equally important to consider potential risks such as tenants not paying rent at all. This can result in significant financial losses that go beyond the monthly rent amount. As an investor, it's essential to prioritize avoiding losses, even if it means sacrificing some potential income. The decision to accept negative cash flow or not depends on individual financial situations and risk tolerance. It's crucial to weigh the potential cash flow against the safety of having reserves. Ultimately, the goal is to make informed decisions that minimize risk and maximize long-term financial gains.

    • Aging Population and Real Estate MarketWhile population decline from aging baby boomers could lead to oversupply, real estate market's historical resilience and inflation's impact on property values offset potential threats.

      While the aging baby boomer generation may lead to population decline and potential oversupply of real estate, the real estate market has historically survived economic cycles and is unlikely to be destroyed completely. Population decrease is a legitimate concern, but it may not be an immediate threat as the lag time for its impact would be significant. Additionally, the value of money decreases over time due to inflation, so the appreciation of property and rent values may offset the threat. Overall, it's essential to consider the opposing forces at play and weigh their strengths when evaluating the real estate market's future.

    • Considering Intangible Factors in Real Estate InvestmentWeigh all factors, including personal comfort and long-term financial goals, before deciding to buy a property and rent out units even if rental income exceeds current rent cost.

      The decision to buy a property and rent out the units, even if the rental income exceeds the current rent cost, may not be a straightforward one. While the mathematical aspect might seem appealing, there are intangible factors to consider such as personal comfort, long-term financial goals, and market conditions. The speakers also touched upon potential future challenges to the real estate market, including population decline and technological advancements, but these are not immediate concerns. Alyssa and her sister's situation is a common one for aspiring real estate investors, and it's essential to weigh all factors before making a decision.

    • Long-term benefits of homeownershipBuying a property builds equity, appreciates in value, and offers control over rent increases. House hacking can also increase income and make homeownership more affordable.

      While renting may seem cheaper than buying a property in the short term, the long-term benefits of homeownership, such as building equity, appreciation, and control over rent increases, can make it a more financially advantageous decision. House hacking, which involves buying a property with multiple units and renting out the others, can also increase income and make homeownership more affordable. It's important to consider these factors when making the decision between renting and buying. The benefits of homeownership may not be immediately apparent, but they can pay off significantly in the long run.

    • Weighing the pros and cons of renting vs buyingWhile renting may seem cheaper initially, buying a property can lead to significant long-term financial gains through equity and appreciation.

      While renting may seem more affordable in the short term, especially when considering the initial high costs of buying a property, the long-term benefits of homeownership, particularly in appreciating real estate markets, often outweigh the initial investment. This means that while it may be uncomfortable or inconvenient to sacrifice short-term comfort for the financial security of homeownership, the potential for significant equity and long-term financial gain makes it a worthwhile investment. Additionally, those who continue to rent and use their resources to invest in rental properties can also build a portfolio and achieve financial growth. Ultimately, the decision to rent or buy should be based on a careful consideration of one's financial situation, long-term goals, and willingness to make sacrifices for future gains.

    • Find an investor-friendly real estate agent for successUse BiggerPockets Agent Finder to match with an expert local guide for real estate investing, helping navigate neighborhoods, analyze numbers, and take action with confidence.

      Finding an investor-friendly real estate agent can be a game-changer for those looking to get into or advance in real estate investing. With the market constantly shifting, having an expert local guide can help navigate neighborhoods, analyze numbers, and take action with confidence. To make this process easier, BiggerPockets offers a free Agent Finder tool at biggerpockets.com/deals. Just enter some details about what and where you want to buy, and instantly match with an agent who fits the bill. Remember, the goal of real estate investing is long-term financial freedom, and it's not about timing the market, but rather time in the market. So, take the next step and find your investor-friendly agent today at biggerpockets.com/deals. And, as always, remember that investing involves risk, so be sure to consult with qualified advisors before making any investment decisions.

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