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    989: Seeing Greene: Investing with High DTI, When to Refi, & Getting Out of Debt

    enJuly 16, 2024
    What is the 'sneaky rental strategy' in real estate investing?
    How can refinancing help build a larger investment portfolio?
    What should be considered before splitting land into separate lots?
    Why is it important to have savings while investing?
    What are the risks of relying solely on rental income?

    Podcast Summary

    • Real estate investment strategiesApply 75% of rental income towards debt to buy a new property every year while living beneath your means and handling bookkeeping, consolidating debt, and refinancing wisely.

      Real estate investing involves strategic planning and financial management, even when dealing with challenges like high debt-to-income ratios. Rob and David discussed using the "sneaky rental strategy" to buy a new property every year, turning the old one into a rental, and applying 75% of the rental income towards debt. However, it's important to have enough savings to live beneath your means and not rely solely on rental income to qualify for new loans. Additionally, they touched on handling bookkeeping, consolidating debt, and refinancing homes to purchase more real estate. Remember, for your chance to ask a question and potentially have it answered on the show, go to biggerpockets.com/David.

    • Demonstrating rental incomeTo qualify for lower mortgage programs, demonstrating rental income from owned property is necessary. This involves finding a tenant and securing a lease, which can be challenging but leads to long-term gains like lower mortgage rates and better financial stability. Resources like Rent or Retirement and Connect Invest can help make the process easier.

      To qualify for certain mortgage programs with lower down payments, you may need to demonstrate rental income from a property you own before buying your next home. This means finding a tenant and securing a lease, which can be challenging, especially for those with families or other commitments. However, the short-term sacrifice can lead to long-term gains, such as lower mortgage rates and better financial stability. Additionally, there are resources available, like Rent or Retirement and Connect Invest, that can help make the process easier and more accessible for those looking to get started in real estate investing.

    • Financing partners, bookkeepingChoosing the right financing partner and investing in bookkeeping services can maximize potential in real estate investments, despite additional costs. Tools like Stessa and Baseline can simplify bookkeeping and offer additional benefits.

      Finding the right financing partner can make a significant difference in unlocking the full potential of your real estate investments. Host Financial, for instance, sees beyond just numbers on a paycheck and approves loans in 47 states. For those looking to expand but feeling overwhelmed by the organization required, considering a bookkeeper might be a worthwhile investment, especially as the number of properties grows. While the cost may seem high, looking for accountants or bookkeepers in areas with a lower cost of living could help keep expenses down. Additionally, tools like Stessa and Baseline can help simplify bookkeeping and offer additional benefits, such as higher APY on checking accounts. If you're in a situation where managing bookkeeping feels overwhelming, consider reaching out to experienced investors or professionals for guidance and potential cost-sharing opportunities.

    • Small Business Bookkeeping, Debt ConsolidationFor small businesses, hiring a part-time or freelance bookkeeper can save costs compared to full-time employees or firms, but finding the right person takes effort. Home equity lines of credit or secured debt are often cheapest for debt consolidation, but careful consideration is needed before taking on debt.

      For small business owners looking to save on bookkeeping costs, hiring a part-time or freelance bookkeeper can be a more cost-effective option than hiring a full-time employee or going through a bookkeeping firm. However, it may require more effort to find the right person and coordinating their schedule. On the topic of debt consolidation, home equity lines of credit or secured debt are often the cheapest options for consolidating debt, but it's important to remember that taking on debt to pay off debt isn't free money and should be used wisely. It's crucial to have a solid debt-to-income ratio and debt service coverage ratio before taking on secured debt. The ultimate goal is to get out of debt and avoid accumulating more. Having a clear financial goal, like investing in real estate, can help individuals stay focused and motivated in managing their finances.

    • Managing DebtBe aggressive in eliminating debt, but maintain balance and sustainable habits for long-term financial health. Keep an eye on real estate market trends for investment opportunities.

      When it comes to managing debt, particularly credit card debt, it's essential to be aggressive and focused on eliminating it as quickly as possible. This can involve following strict budgeting methods, such as those advocated by Dave Ramsey. However, it's also crucial not to burn out and to establish sustainable financial habits once the debt is paid off. Attacking credit card debt with intensity is never a bad idea, but it's important to remember that financial wellbeing requires balance and long-term planning. Additionally, when it comes to real estate investing, there are various markets worth considering based on factors such as affordability, rent-to-price ratio, and appreciation. Keep an eye on these trends and adjust your investment strategy accordingly. Whether you're a seasoned investor or just starting out, remember that every dollar invested should work hard, and resources like Connect Invest can help make real estate investing more accessible and simple.

    • Refinancing for investorsRefinancing can help investors build a larger portfolio, but it comes with costs and should only be done strategically with a clear goal in mind for greater returns.

      For investors starting out, refinancing can be a useful tool to help build a larger portfolio, but it comes with costs and should only be done when it leads to greater returns. The speaker, Rob, shared his experience of refinancing multiple times in the beginning of his investing journey to fund new projects, but cautioned that it's important to consider the costs and only do it when it makes financial sense. Tomi, the questioner, was considering refinancing a duplex to make it more feasible for medium-term rentals for military personnel, but was concerned about the potential for increased debt and longer amortization schedules. The experts advised that refinancing should be done strategically, with a clear goal in mind, and that the focus should be on the potential return on investment rather than just the interest rate.

    • Refinancing risksConsider potential downsides like resetting amortization, incurring closing costs, and equity loss before refinancing for real estate investments. Consult with local authorities to ensure compliance with regulations.

      Refinancing can be a strategic move to access funds for real estate investments, but it's important to consider the potential downsides, such as resetting your amortization schedule and incurring closing costs. The downside equity loss can be mitigated if you have a solid income stream or if you only refinance when necessary. However, before making significant changes to your property, it's crucial to consult with local authorities to ensure compliance with regulations. For instance, splitting a lot and selling a separate unit might not be an option in some areas. Overall, careful planning and strategic decision-making are key to maximizing the benefits of refinancing while minimizing potential risks.

    • Land splittingDetermining if land can be split into separate lots is crucial for accurate appraisals and clear financial projections. If not, expanding the smaller house can still provide equity and cash flow, but with added uncertainty. Clarify primary financial goal before moving forward and explore other opportunities for potential ROI.

      Before making significant improvements to a property or considering expanding it, determining if the land can be split into separate lots is crucial. This would allow for accurate appraisals and clearer financial projections. If splitting the land is not an option, expanding the smaller house could still provide equity and increased cash flow, but with added uncertainty. It's essential to clarify the primary financial goal – equity, cash flow, or a large cash infusion – before moving forward. Additionally, considering the potential return on investment by exploring other opportunities can help ensure the best use of resources.

    • Forrest Gump and chocolatesThe origin of the 'picture guide' for chocolates is unclear - it could have been inspired by the movie 'Forrest Gump' or existed beforehand. Regardless, this anecdote highlights the power of adaptability and openness to new possibilities in business.

      Importance of being adaptable and open to new possibilities, just like a box of chocolates. The speaker brought up the intriguing question of whether the idea of a "picture guide" for chocolates existed before the movie "Forrest Gump" was released, or if the movie influenced the chocolate industry. Beyond that, the episode covered a range of real estate topics, from using sneaky rental strategies to handling bookkeeping and debt consolidation. The speakers encouraged listeners to submit their questions for a future episode and to subscribe to the show. Additionally, they introduced a new tool from BiggerPockets that can help investors compare and find the best real estate markets based on data and expert recommendations. Overall, the episode emphasized the importance of research and adaptability in real estate investing.

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    Recession fears are increasing. The stock market has taken substantial hits, housing inventory is climbing, and bank account balances are starting to fall. So, with more economic turmoil, we have to ask: will the housing market crash? And if we get a housing market crash, how bad (or good) will it be for investors? Could we see a 2008-style selloff, or should we be more prepared for small dips worth taking advantage of? Today, we’re asking two top investors these questions, one of whom literally wrote the book on Recession-Proof Real Estate Investing. J Scott and James Dainard join us on today’s episode to discuss market crash predictions, scenarios, and opportunities for real estate investors. Both J and James experienced the 2008 housing market crash—an economic event almost impossible to forget. But is 2024 shaping up for a sharp decline like 2008, or will we simply see a slower real estate market like most people had expected when interest rates began to rise? If the market DOES crash, what should you look for to take advantage, and how do you ensure you don’t get caught biting off more than you can chew? J and James break down their game plans if prices fall and why buying now could set you up for wealth ten years from now, IF you can handle the “fear” of buying when others are running from real estate. In This Episode We Cover: New housing market “crash” predictions and how low prices could go Why economic “fear” is rising now, and the recession indicators that are going off Rising housing inventory and why experienced investors expected this already The difference between the 2008 housing market crash and today What could cause a housing crash and how to know it’s time to buy The immense opportunities for investors that 99% of Americans will pass up And So Much More! Links from the Show Grab Chad’s Book, “The Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor” Join BiggerPockets for FREE Let Us Know What You Thought of the Show! Grab J’s Book “Recession-Proof Real Estate Investing” Find Investor-Friendly Lenders See Dave and James at BPCON2024 in Cancun! Why Has the Housing Market Not Crashed in Over 15 Years? (00:00) Intro (04:01) New Recession Fears (14:25) Is This Like 2008? (18:06) What Will Cause a Crash (31:11) What to Do During a Crash (36:56) Opportunity for Investors Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-1005 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email advertise@biggerpockets.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    How to Retire Early with Fewer Rental Properties Than You Think w/Chad Carson

    How to Retire Early with Fewer Rental Properties Than You Think w/Chad Carson
    You want to retire early, so you come up with a plan. “I’m going to buy ten rental properties and call it quits, then I’ll never have to work again.” Within a decade, you’ve got your ten rental properties, but now you want more. You buy another ten, then a big apartment complex, and now you’re raising money to buy even more. You have zero free time, investors to answer to, and a lot of stress. This wasn’t what you wanted. Let’s take it back to where you are now: how do you actually make it to early retirement? At the height of Chad Carson’s real estate investing career, he was working eighty-hour weeks flipping homes, buying rentals, and dreaming of a financial freedom-enabling portfolio. But when the market crashed, he took a step back and asked, “What do I really want?” Thus, the small and mighty investor mindset was born. Now, Chad is retired early in his forties, working just two hours per week and making six figures in passive income. Want to do it, too? Today, Chad discusses how you can build a small and mighty portfolio with fewer rentals, more cash flow, and ultimate time freedom. We’ll show you how to reverse engineer your goals to build the real estate portfolio you ACTUALLY want to own, why having hundreds of doors isn’t completely worth it, and the “metrics of success” you can use to measure your progress toward financial freedom. In This Episode We Cover: How to retire early (like Chad) with a small real estate portfolio  Why “door count” isn’t an accurate measure of success in real estate investing Reverse-engineering your financial freedom and how to start working toward it today Discovering your “why” and how NOT to get stuck in the day-to-day drudgery of adult life Measuring your progress toward financial freedom with the “metrics of success” Knowing when is “enough” and why winners know when to quit  And So Much More! Links from the Show Grab Chad’s Book, “The Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor” Join BiggerPockets for FREE Let Us Know What You Thought of the Show! Craft Your Personal Real Estate Portfolio with “Start with Strategy” Property Manager Finder See Dave at BPCON2024 in Cancun! Who Cares About the Number of Doors You Have—Cash Flow Is What Actually Matters Chad's BiggerPockets Profile Dave's BiggerPockets Profile Door count is a terrible metric. Please stop using it. 00:00 Intro 01:56 You DON'T Need 100 Rentals 05:18 What Do You REALLY Want? 09:53 Why Work More? 14:04 Metrics of Success 23:36 Reverse Engineering Financial Freedom 26:42 Does Door Count Matter? 33:13 What is "Enough"? 37:20 The Dish Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/real-estate-1004 Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email advertise@biggerpockets.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices