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    #99 – Karl Friston: Neuroscience and the Free Energy Principle

    enMay 28, 2020

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    • Understanding the Brain: Balancing Big Picture and Fine DetailsExploring the brain's complexities requires a balance between studying individual neurons and synaptic structures, and understanding holistic functions through brain lesions and strokes. Probabilistic descriptions and ensemble densities may be necessary for a complete understanding.

      While we've made significant progress, there's still much to learn and the approach one takes depends on the desired level of understanding. For those interested in the microscopic details, studying individual neurons and synaptic structures may be the way to go. But for those focused on holistic functions and a functional anatomy, studying brain lesions and strokes may be more valuable. Ultimately, understanding the brain requires a balance between looking at the big picture and the fine details, and the use of probabilistic descriptions and ensemble densities may be necessary to fully grasp its complexities. Additionally, advancements in technology, such as high field magnetic resonance imaging, offer new opportunities to observe the brain in action.

    • The brain's complex structure is defined by hierarchical and recursive organizationThe brain's intricate hierarchy, defined by sparse connectivity, allows for complex processing and responses to external information

      The human brain's complex structure, specifically its hierarchical and recursive nature, is essential for its function. This hierarchy is defined by sparse connectivity, which underlies the brain's intricate organization. The brain can be thought of as an "onion," with sensory information coming from the surface and more complex processing happening deeper within. Imaging the brain can provide valuable insights into this organization and help us understand the types of representations and messages that are processed. The brain's circuitry and connectivity shape its function as a message passing machine. Overall, the intricacies of the brain's structure and connectivity are crucial for its ability to process and respond to information from the world.

    • Understanding brain organization through functional specialization and segregation of brain regionsFunctional brain regions are identified through imaging and neuropsychology, responsible for specific functions, and form the basis of ongoing research in neuroscience.

      The study of brain activity involves examining fluctuations in neuronal responses, either in response to sensory input or during resting state. Functional specialization or segregation is a key concept in understanding brain organization, meaning that certain parts of the brain are specialized for specific types of processing and spatially or anatomically segregated. This idea has been supported by advances in brain imaging and neuropsychology over the past few decades, which have led to the identification of functional regions in the brain. These regions are responsible for specific functions, such as visual motion processing, and are the focus of ongoing research in neuroscience. The human brain shares many principles of organization with other animals, but researchers may choose to study different species depending on the specific questions they aim to answer. The study of functional brain regions is a crucial step in understanding brain organization and function, and has led to significant progress in the field.

    • Understanding the functional integration of the brain through neuroimagingNeuroimaging techniques like PET and fMRI have led to significant advancements in understanding the human brain, confirming and refining hypotheses. However, the challenge remains in understanding the functional integration and connectivity between regionally specific responses.

      The progress made in understanding the human brain in the last century, particularly in relation to the previous century, has been immense due to the discovery and exploration of functionally selective responses through neuroimaging techniques like Positron Emission Tomography (PET) and Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI). This has led to the confirmation and refinement of many hypotheses based on deep anatomical understanding. However, the challenge remains in understanding the functional integration and connectivity between these regionally specific responses. The brain's sparse recurrent hierarchical connectivity is a characteristic feature, and studying its structure through various methods, including neuroimaging, is a worthy pursuit. Neuroimaging methods include non-invasive techniques that measure structural attributes and dynamic function, with metabolic and hemodynamic signals being the most prevalent. These methods have revolutionized our understanding of the brain, but the quest for understanding functional integration continues.

    • Understanding the connection between neural activity and blood flowThe brain's neural activity and blood flow are intricately linked, and imaging techniques like fMRI and EEG/MEG help us understand this relationship, with each method providing unique insights into brain function.

      The brain's neural activity and blood flow are intricately connected through a process called neurovascular coupling. This relationship is crucial because neural cells require a constant supply of energy and nutrients, which are delivered via the blood. The brain's complex structure, with gray matter (neurons) on the surface and white matter (axons) in the interior, necessitates a rapid and precise delivery of blood flow to specific areas of neural activity. Imaging techniques, such as functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), can detect changes in blood flow and provide information about which areas of the brain are active. However, the spatial resolution of fMRI is limited to a few millimeters, and the temporal resolution is a few seconds. To understand the neural activity at a finer spatial and temporal scale, researchers can use electroencephalography (EEG) and magnetoencephalography (MEG), which measure the electrical signals generated by neural activity directly. However, these techniques have limited spatial resolution due to the diffusion of signals through the brain tissue, skull, and scalp. In summary, the brain's neural activity and blood flow are intimately connected, and understanding this relationship is essential for understanding brain function. Imaging techniques like fMRI and EEG/MEG provide complementary information about brain activity, each with its advantages and limitations.

    • Understanding the Brain through Neuroimaging: Temporal Data vs. Spatial DataNeuroimaging technologies like fMRI identify brain 'blobs' through statistical parametric mapping, with temporal and spatial analyses providing unique insights into brain function. Ethical concerns and risks accompany the development of brain-computer interfaces.

      Neuroimaging technology, such as functional MRI, allows us to analyze the brain by identifying activated areas, or "blobs," through statistical parametric mapping. These analyses can be classified into two main methodologies: those that focus on temporal data (time series analyses) and those that focus on spatial data (blobology). Both methods have their strengths and weaknesses, and researchers often use a combination of both to answer research questions. The future of brain-computer interfaces, like those being developed by companies such as Neuralink, holds great promise for directly accessing and understanding the brain. However, this technology also raises ethical concerns and comes with potential risks. Overall, the advancement of neuroimaging and brain-computer interface technologies offers exciting opportunities for expanding our knowledge of the brain and its functions.

    • Exploring the History and Challenges of Brain-Computer InterfacingBrain-computer interfacing (BCI) has made significant strides in understanding brain plasticity and augmenting sensory capacities, but its limitations, such as low bandwidth and non-linearity, pose challenges to achieving seamless integration

      Brain-computer interfacing (BCI) has a rich history and has led to significant advancements in understanding the brain's plasticity and its ability to integrate new sensory information. Techniques such as deep brain stimulation and magnetic stimulation have shown that even crude interventions can have an impact, despite limited understanding of the underlying mechanisms. BCI has been used to augment sensory capacities and even give people new senses, such as the ability to sense magnetic fields. However, the current limitations of BCI, including low bandwidth and bit rates, raise questions about whether there is a fundamental lower bound on the information exchange required for meaningful integration between a brain and an artificial interface. The complexity and non-linearity of the brain, which rests upon non-equilibrium steady states and dynamics, pose significant challenges to BCI, making the goal of seamless integration a daunting task that may never be fully achieved. Despite these challenges, the potential benefits of BCI for solving clinical problems and enhancing human capabilities continue to drive research in this field.

    • A system's existence can be understood as minimizing free energyThe Free Energy Principle posits that systems survive by minimizing the difference between their internal model and the real world to maximize their likelihood of existence

      The Free Energy Principle is a theoretical framework that suggests any system aiming to survive in a changing environment can be understood as trying to minimize its free energy. This principle, which borrows from data analytic approaches and machine learning, posits that a system's existence can be interpreted as the evidence for its existence. In essence, a system strives to minimize the difference between its internal model of the world and the actual world, maximizing the likelihood of its own existence. This optimization perspective provides a philosophical and methodological approach to understanding what it means for a system to be alive.

    • Understanding existence through the Free Energy PrincipleThe Free Energy Principle explains the existence of systems through the optimization of a particular quantity, applying to various systems from organisms to drops of oil, without answering why they exist.

      According to the free energy principle, anything that exists must exhibit properties that make it seem as if it is optimizing a particular quantity, which can be understood through the mathematics of non-equilibrium steady state physics. This principle applies to a range of systems, from single-celled organisms to drops of oil, and it raises deep questions about the persistence of boundaries and interfaces. The free energy principle does not provide an answer to why something exists, but rather what properties it must display if it does exist. These properties have an inferential gloss, suggesting that the very existence of order requires an optimization of a particular function.

    • Understanding existence through free energy principleThe free energy principle, based on the concept of negative log probability, helps explain the existence and behavior of systems by optimizing free energy through structure and form

      The concept of free energy, which is the negative log of the probability of a system, plays a crucial role in understanding the existence and behavior of systems, living or non-living. This principle suggests that anything that exists must optimize its free energy by demarcating itself from its environment, leading to the emergence of structure and form. This idea can be applied to study systems and identify their properties based on statistical independence and the distinction between internal, external, and surface states. The surface or Markov blanket, defined by these independences, allows for the application of standard results from physics to understand the system's behavior. In essence, the free energy principle provides a framework for exploring what it means for something to exist.

    • Understanding Oil Drops through Gradient Flows and Living SystemsOil drops, like living systems, can be described using gradient flows and minimizing the same function for active and internal states. However, living systems have internal autonomy and organization, allowing them to express overall modes and patterns on their surface.

      An oil drop, like any other non-equilibrium system, can be described using the concepts of gradient flows, dynamics, and equations of motion. The active states within the Markov blanket and the internal states appear to be minimizing the same function, which is the log probability of occupying those states. This concept can be extended to living systems, where the difference lies in their ability to cause movement through internal states that influence the active states, without being influenced by external states. This internal autonomy is a characteristic of living systems. An oil drop, though not traditionally considered alive, exhibits some of these qualities through the autonomous surface movements that maintain its structure. The key difference lies in the organization and coordination of internal states, which allows living systems to express overall modes or patterns on their surface, enabling them to move as a whole.

    • Understanding Living Beings: Movement and Internal DynamicsLiving beings have the unique ability to change their environment through movement, setting them apart from passive entities. The importance of movement in understanding intelligence, particularly in machine learning, is yet to be fully recognized.

      Living beings, unlike non-living entities, possess the unique ability to change their environment through movement. This non-random behavior, which can be observed in organisms like tadpoles, is a result of their deeply structured internal dynamics. This ability to actively engage with the world around them sets living beings apart from passive entities like oil drops. The importance of movement in understanding intelligence, particularly in machine learning, has yet to be fully recognized. Future research may explore the connection between movement, consciousness, and self-awareness using ideas from information theory.

    • Planning and ConsciousnessPlanning ability, generative model, free will, and selecting among actions are essential for consciousness, but the concept remains vague and the line between conscious and unconscious is not clear-cut.

      Consciousness and planning are closely interconnected. A being or system that has the capacity to plan and consider the future consequences of its actions is moving closer to the realm of consciousness. This planning ability requires a generative model, free will, and the ability to select among different courses of action. However, the concept of consciousness itself is vague, much like the distinction between a pile of sand and a collection of grains. The line between conscious and unconscious is not clear-cut, and it may be impossible to write down a calculus or math of self-awareness. Nonetheless, complex planning seems to be an essential aspect of self-awareness. The ability to plan and integrate oneself into the world is a crucial step towards constructing complex plans and possibly crossing the line into consciousness.

    • The Free Energy Principle is a theoretical framework for understanding non-equilibrium steady states but not sufficient to explain specific phenomena.The Free Energy Principle is a theoretical foundation for understanding non-equilibrium systems, but creating accurate generative models for practical application is the real challenge.

      While the Free Energy Principle is a valuable theoretical framework for understanding non-equilibrium steady states, it is not sufficient on its own to explain the why or the how of specific phenomena in the world. It is more of a characteristic of systems that exist, rather than a cause. The practical application of the Free Energy Principle lies in its ability to guide the development of generative models, which can be used to engineer self-organizing systems. However, writing down an accurate generative model is the challenging part, as it requires a deep understanding of the specific phenotype and the world in which it operates. So, while the Free Energy Principle provides a useful theoretical foundation, the real work lies in the details of the generative model.

    • Differentiating between self and others in social worldDeveloping complex models like theory of mind and turn-taking in conversation helps us effectively communicate and interact in a social world. Our existence may involve seeking information, resolving uncertainty, and understanding our role in the social world.

      Self-awareness and consciousness in artifacts, including humans, serve a crucial function in a social world. When we live among things similar to us, we need to differentiate between ourselves and others to effectively communicate and interact. This requires the development of complex generative models, such as theory of mind and turn-taking in conversation. The highest realization of this planning is our current discourse. The objective function of our existence, or the meaning of life, remains a philosophical question, but it may involve seeking information, resolving uncertainty, and understanding our role in the social world. Ultimately, our personal beliefs about who we are and our place in the world play a significant role in shaping our existence and experiences.

    • Narratives and beliefs shape our identities and actionsOur experiences and interactions contribute to the fulfillment of the narratives and scripts we've been given, with influences from early life and active inference.

      Our identities and actions are shaped by the narratives and beliefs we're given from a young age, as well as our active inference and interaction with our environment. We model and change our external states, creating our own culture over different timescales. For example, I grew up with a mixture of Einstein and Sherlock Holmes narratives, which influenced me to be a scientist and avoid interpersonal contact. Carl Friston's perspective emphasizes the importance of minimizing prediction error and self-evidencing, which leads to our actions and beliefs. Overall, our experiences and interactions contribute to the fulfillment of the narratives and scripts we've been given.

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    Charan Ranganath is a psychologist and neuroscientist at UC Davis, specializing in human memory. He is the author of a new book titled Why We Remember. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Riverside: https://creators.riverside.fm/LEX and use code LEX to get 30% off - ZipRecruiter: https://ziprecruiter.com/lex - Notion: https://notion.com/lex - MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/lexpod to get 15% off - Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/charan-ranganath-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Charan's X: https://x.com/CharanRanganath Charan's Instagram: https://instagram.com/thememorydoc Charan's Website: https://charanranganath.com Why We Remember (book): https://amzn.to/3WzUF6x Charan's Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ptWkt1wAAAAJ Dynamic Memory Lab: https://dml.ucdavis.edu/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (10:18) - Experiencing self vs remembering self (23:59) - Creating memories (33:31) - Why we forget (41:08) - Training memory (51:37) - Memory hacks (1:03:26) - Imagination vs memory (1:12:44) - Memory competitions (1:22:33) - Science of memory (1:37:48) - Discoveries (1:48:52) - Deja vu (1:54:09) - False memories (2:14:14) - False confessions (2:18:00) - Heartbreak (2:25:34) - Nature of time (2:33:15) - Brain–computer interface (BCI) (2:47:19) - AI and memory (2:57:33) - ADHD (3:04:30) - Music (3:14:15) - Human mind
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    #429 – Paul Rosolie: Jungle, Apex Predators, Aliens, Uncontacted Tribes, and God

    #429 – Paul Rosolie: Jungle, Apex Predators, Aliens, Uncontacted Tribes, and God
    Paul Rosolie is a naturalist, explorer, author, and founder of Junglekeepers, dedicating his life to protecting the Amazon rainforest. Support his efforts at https://junglekeepers.org Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - ShipStation: https://shipstation.com/lex and use code LEX to get 60-day free trial - Yahoo Finance: https://yahoofinance.com - BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off - NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour - Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get $350 off - Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/paul-rosolie-2-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Paul's Instagram: https://instagram.com/paulrosolie Junglekeepers: https://junglekeepers.org Paul's Website: https://paulrosolie.com Mother of God (book): https://amzn.to/3ww2ob1 PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (12:29) - Amazon jungle (14:47) - Bushmaster snakes (26:13) - Black caiman (44:33) - Rhinos (47:47) - Anacondas (1:18:04) - Mammals (1:30:10) - Piranhas (1:41:00) - Aliens (1:58:45) - Elephants (2:10:02) - Origin of life (2:23:21) - Explorers (2:36:38) - Ayahuasca (2:45:03) - Deep jungle expedition (2:59:09) - Jane Goodall (3:01:41) - Theodore Roosevelt (3:12:36) - Alone show (3:22:23) - Protecting the rainforest (3:38:36) - Snake makes appearance (3:46:47) - Uncontacted tribes (4:00:11) - Mortality (4:01:39) - Steve Irwin (4:09:18) - God
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    #428 – Sean Carroll: General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Black Holes & Aliens

    #428 – Sean Carroll: General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Black Holes & Aliens
    Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist, author, and host of Mindscape podcast. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - HiddenLayer: https://hiddenlayer.com/lex - Cloaked: https://cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off - Notion: https://notion.com/lex - Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/sean-carroll-3-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Sean's Website: https://preposterousuniverse.com Mindscape Podcast: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/ Sean's YouTube: https://youtube.com/@seancarroll Sean's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/seanmcarroll Sean's Twitter: https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll Sean's Instagram: https://instagram.com/seanmcarroll Sean's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Lfifrv8AAAAJ Sean's Books: https://amzn.to/3W7yT9N PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (11:03) - General relativity (23:22) - Black holes (28:11) - Hawking radiation (32:19) - Aliens (41:15) - Holographic principle (1:05:38) - Dark energy (1:11:38) - Dark matter (1:20:34) - Quantum mechanics (1:41:56) - Simulation (1:44:18) - AGI (1:58:42) - Complexity (2:11:25) - Consciousness (2:20:32) - Naturalism (2:24:49) - Limits of science (2:29:34) - Mindscape podcast (2:39:29) - Einstein

    #427 – Neil Adams: Judo, Olympics, Winning, Losing, and the Champion Mindset

    #427 – Neil Adams: Judo, Olympics, Winning, Losing, and the Champion Mindset
    Neil Adams is a judo world champion, 2-time Olympic silver medalist, 5-time European champion, and often referred to as the Voice of Judo. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - ZipRecruiter: https://ziprecruiter.com/lex - Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings - MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/lexpod to get 15% off - LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack - NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/neil-adams-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Neil's Instagram: https://instagram.com/naefighting Neil's YouTube: https://youtube.com/NAEffectiveFighting Neil's TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@neiladamsmbe Neil's Facebook: https://facebook.com/NeilAdamsJudo Neil's X: https://x.com/NeilAdamsJudo Neil's Website: https://naeffectivefighting.com Neil's Podcast: https://naeffectivefighting.com/podcasts/the-dojo-collective-podcast A Life in Judo (book): https://amzn.to/4d3DtfB A Game of Throws (audiobook): https://amzn.to/4aA2WeJ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (09:13) - 1980 Olympics (26:35) - Judo explained (34:40) - Winning (52:54) - 1984 Olympics (1:01:55) - Lessons from losing (1:17:37) - Teddy Riner (1:37:12) - Training in Japan (1:52:51) - Jiu jitsu (2:03:59) - Training (2:27:18) - Advice for beginners

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