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    A One-stop Shop for Flourishing: The Story of Revive Church

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    About this Episode

    In this episode, we talk with Kyle Morris who is the Lead Pastor of Revive Church in Arvada, CO. We hear about his church's decision to stay where they were and seek the shalom of their neighborhood rather than move to a different (and wealthier) part of the city. 

    This decision forced the church to deal with a problem of too much space through the acquisition of a shopping center, and then radically re-thinking how they used all of the space. Rather than starting with needs within the church, they asked questions about needs within the neighborhood. And what they discovered was that their neighborhood needed 1) childcare, 2) workforce development, 3) affordable housing, and 4) new business incubation. 

    This process led the church to redevelop the shopping center into an exciting project called The Bridge where they partner with other local organizations to help meet some of the city's identified needs. Kyle talks about the challenges of leading a church while also leading a number of initiatives. He discusses finding a balance between investing in the neighborhood where you live and where your church is located. And, he talks about the challenge of adapting while staying mission focused with changing circumstances. 

    Episode Contributors

    Kyle Morris, Lead Pastor of Revive Church

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    More information about this podcast and helpful church and urbanism resources can be found on The Embedded Church website.

    Related Resources

    Revive Church

    The Bridge - The shopping center owned by Revive Church that has been revived physically and is home to thriving for-profit and non-profit organizations that are collaborating and working to serve vulnerable families. 

    Beyond Home - A nonprofit whose mission is to provide a comprehensive approach for families to become self-sufficient for life

    Marsh Collective - A team of consultants that works with leaders, companies, patrons, and developers to help clarify vision for their city, business, or team

    Lionheart Children's Academy - A nonprofit Christian organization committed to excellence in early childhood education

    CrossPurpose - A non-profit organization abolishing relational, economic, and spiritual poverty through career and community development

    Colorado Foundation for Conductive Education - A nonprofit organization that offers an intensive, holistic alternative approach to traditional therapy for individuals with motor disabilities

    "Churches Don’t Have to Be Lousy Stewards. Here’s Proof" Story of Revive Church by Amy Sherman and Jacob Baldwin in Common Good Magazine: Issue 11, May  2023

    Canoeing in the Mountains by Tod Bolsinger

    Art of Neighboring by Jay Pathak and Dave Runyon

    Church Unleashed by Frank R. Tillapaugh

    Key Terms

    - Proximity

    - Placemaking

    - Affordable Housing

    - Shalom

    Show Credits

    Hosted and Produced by Eric O. Jacobsen and Sara Joy Proppe

    Edited by Adam Higgins | Odd Dad Out Voice Productions

    Theme Music by Jacob Shaffer

    Artwork by Lance Kagey | Rotator Creative

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    A One-stop Shop for Flourishing: The Story of Revive Church

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    In this episode, we talk with Kyle Morris who is the Lead Pastor of Revive Church in Arvada, CO. We hear about his church's decision to stay where they were and seek the shalom of their neighborhood rather than move to a different (and wealthier) part of the city. 

    This decision forced the church to deal with a problem of too much space through the acquisition of a shopping center, and then radically re-thinking how they used all of the space. Rather than starting with needs within the church, they asked questions about needs within the neighborhood. And what they discovered was that their neighborhood needed 1) childcare, 2) workforce development, 3) affordable housing, and 4) new business incubation. 

    This process led the church to redevelop the shopping center into an exciting project called The Bridge where they partner with other local organizations to help meet some of the city's identified needs. Kyle talks about the challenges of leading a church while also leading a number of initiatives. He discusses finding a balance between investing in the neighborhood where you live and where your church is located. And, he talks about the challenge of adapting while staying mission focused with changing circumstances. 

    Episode Contributors

    Kyle Morris, Lead Pastor of Revive Church

    Access more Show Notes with pictures and resources related to this episode. 

    More information about this podcast and helpful church and urbanism resources can be found on The Embedded Church website.

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    Beyond Home - A nonprofit whose mission is to provide a comprehensive approach for families to become self-sufficient for life

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    Lionheart Children's Academy - A nonprofit Christian organization committed to excellence in early childhood education

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    Colorado Foundation for Conductive Education - A nonprofit organization that offers an intensive, holistic alternative approach to traditional therapy for individuals with motor disabilities

    "Churches Don’t Have to Be Lousy Stewards. Here’s Proof" Story of Revive Church by Amy Sherman and Jacob Baldwin in Common Good Magazine: Issue 11, May  2023

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    Theme Music by Jacob Shaffer

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    Kevin Finch is the Executive Director of Big Table based in Spokane, Washington.

    Rev. Dr. Paul Cunningham is the Head Pastor of La Jolla Presbyterian Church

    Eliza Harris Juliano is a Principal in the Urban Design studio and serves as the firm’s Director of Urbanism at Canin Associates based in Orlando Florida.

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    Episode Contributors

    Dwayne Cline is the Lead Pastor of James North Baptist Church in Hamilton, Ontario. 

    Dr. Jill Shook is the Founding Director of Making Housing and Community Happen, working with churches to bring about housing justice in the United States. She is author of Making Housing Happen: Faith Based Affordable Housing Models. She has developed and taught Housing Justice and Community Organizing in the Azusa Pacific University MA Social Work Department. Today she does a variety of workshops, including One-Day Housing Justice Workshops around the US. 

    Rev. Dr. Patrick Duggan is the Executive Director of the United Church of Christ Church Building and Loan Fund. He is responsible for advancing the mission and growing the capacity, reach and social impact of CB&LF products and services. Patrick has more than 30 years of experience in bi-vocational ministry, serving the local church while working in the public sector, including education, government, nonprofit organizations and economic and community development.

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    Hosted and Produced by Eric O. Jacobsen and Sara Joy Proppe

    Edited by Adam Higgins | Odd Dad Out Voice Productions

    Theme Music by Jacob Shaffer

    Artwork by Lance Kagey | Rotator Creative

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    Sandra Bowden is a visual artist based in Chatham, MA. She has been interpreting Scripture and her own spiritual walk through mixed media for more than forty years. She has been acclaimed as one of the most unique, impressive and inspiring Christian artists in America. Bowden’s work has been featured in books, magazines and gallery shows across the United States, Canada, Italy and Jerusalem. She is co-author of Seeing the Unseen: Launching and Managing a Church Gallery.

    David Taylor is Associate Professor of Theology and Culture at Fuller Theological Seminary. Prior to his appointment at Fuller, Dr. Taylor served as a pastor for ten years in Austin, Texas. Taylor serves on the advisory board for Duke Initiatives in Theology and the Arts as well as IVP Academic’s series, “Studies in Theology and the Arts” and has served as board member of Christians In the Visual Arts (CIVA). He is the author of Glimpses of the New Creation: Worship and the Formative Power of the Arts  and The Theater of God’s Glory: Calvin, Creation and the Liturgical Arts. He is editor of For the Beauty of the Church: Casting a Vision for the Arts.

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    Scott Woller is the North Loop Pastor of Corner Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota. 

    Rich Heyman is a Lecturer in the Department of American Studies at University of Texas at Austin. His research interests include cultural geography, urban geography, critical theory and Marxism, history of geography, pedagogy, and public space. He recently contributed to an article in The Atlantic entitled Do Yourself a Favor and Go Find a ‘Third Place’.

    Hazel Borys is the Managing Director at PlaceMakers. As Managing Principal, Hazel inspires the company to deliver an exceptional product to a developing marketplace. She guides governments through zoning reforms — allowing walkable, mixed-use, compact, resilient places to develop by-right — and helps developers get things built under the increasingly-prevalent form-based codes and character-based land use laws of the new economy.

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    Eric and Sara Joy also speak with a couple of field guides who provide professional expertise to expand upon the sociological and design facets of social infrastructure. Eric Klinenberg of NYU shares his definition of social infrastructure, why it is so important, and how it differs from social capital. He also discusses the ways churches can either support or detract from building cohesive and integrated communities with their facilities and programs. Greg Snider with Aspen Group gives more color to the community process that Jamestown Harbor Church engaged before landing on their current plan for to include a sports complex. He also highlights several avenues churches can pursue when considering the type and design of social infrastructure elements on their properties. 

    Episode Contributors

    Scott Pontier is the Lead Pastor of Jamestown Harbor Church in Hudsonville, Michigan. 

    Eric Klinenberg is Helen Gould Shepard Professor of Social Science and Director of the Institute for Public Knowledge at New York University. A New York Times bestselling author, he has written several books including Palaces for the People: How Social Infrastructure Can Help Fight Inequality, Polarization, and the Decline of Civic Life (Crown, 2018), Going Solo: The Extraordinary Rise and Surprising Appeal of Living Alone (The Penguin Press, 2012), Fighting for Air: The Battle to Control America’s Media (Metropolitan Books, 2007), and Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago (University of Chicago Press, 2002).

    Greg Snider is a Ministry Space Strategist at Aspen Group. He has more than 20 years of construction experience in residential, light commercial, and interior build-out. Fifteen of those years were spent building churches, including Living Water Church in Bolingbrook, Illinois, West Side Christian Church in Springfield, Illinois, and Community Christian Church in Naperville, Illinois. At Aspen Group, he works diligently to obtain an intimate understanding of the mission and vision of each church. He then uses this knowledge to guide the project team as they translate that vision into effective design and ultimately into a finished, ministry-enhancing facility.

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    The Celtic Way of Evangelism by George G. Hunter III

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    Theme Music by Jacob Shaffer

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    Access to food and the Church

    Access to food and the Church

    In this episode, Eric and Sara Joy talk with Pastor Cynthia Wallace about how the Oasis Farm and Fishery was implemented and is operating out of Bible Center Church in the Homewood neighborhood of Pittsburgh. Originally begun as an educational initiative to help families learn how to eat and cook healthier, the program has evolved into growing food for the local community. This work began as the church gained a deeper understanding of the food insecurity, or lack of access to food, that so many of the local neighborhood residents are facing. 

    Pastor Cynthia reminds us that listening to God and your neighbors is a vital part of recognizing what needs the local church is called to fulfill in the community. The process can be slow and full of small steps, but God has been faithful to expand the work of Bible Center Church in a well-timed and manageable way. The Oasis Farm and Fishery has been in operation for almost nine years, expanding to include gardening classes, cooking classes, farm stands, and vegetable box delivery in the community.

    Eric and Sara Joy also speak with a couple of field guides who provide professional research expertise to expand upon the social and economic implications of food insecurity in our communities. Both Dr. Stephanie Boddie of Baylor University and Dr. Norman Wirzba of Duke University help us better understand the extent of how poor access to healthy food in our communities is detrimental to our well-being and contrary to the way God designed us to eat and enjoy food. Each of these field guides provides inspiring challenges to churches to be a light of the Gospel in their communities through growing and enjoying food together.

    Episode Contributors

    Cynthia Wallace is the Executive Pastor of Bible Center Church in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. She is also the Executive Director of the Oasis Project, which includes the Oasis Farm and Fishery

    Dr. Stephanie Clintonia Boddie is Assistant Professor of Church and Community Ministries with affiliations at the Diana R. Garland School of Social Work, the George W. Truett Theological Seminary, and the School of Education at Baylor University. Boddie is also a senior fellow at the University of Pennsylvania's Program for Research on Religion and Urban Civil Society and an alumni fellow at the Robert A. Fox Leadership Program. Her research interests include Congregation-Based Social Surveys, Trends in Faith-Based Initiatives, and Social Entrepreneurial Approaches to Disparities in Wealth, Health, and Food Insecurity. She teaches a course entitled: Black Churches: Past, Present, and Future.

    Dr. Norman Wirzba is Gilbert T. Rowe Distinguished Professor of Christian Theology and Senior Fellow at the Kenan Institute of Ethics at Duke University. His research and teaching interests are at the intersections of theology, philosophy, ecology, and agrarian and environmental studies. He has written several books including The Way of Love: Recovering the Heart of Christianity; Food and Faith: A Theology of Eating; This Sacred Life: Humanity's Place in a Wounded World; and Agrarian Spirit: Cultivating Faith, Community, and the Land (forthcoming).

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    Related Resources

    Oasis Farm and Fishery

    Bible Center Church

    Hope in Homewood – article about the  Everyday Cafe run by Bible Center Church

    Black Church Food Security Network

    Agrarian Spirit: Cultivating Faith, Community, and the Land (forthcoming) by Norman Wirzba

    Food and Faith: A Theology of Eating by Norman Wirzba

    This Sacred Life: Humanity's Place in a Wounded World by Norman Wirzba

    The Way of Love: Recovering the Heart of Christianity by Norman Wirzba

    What’s Not to Like: All the Good Things that Happen in School Gardens (Tricia Elisara's Blog)

    Find these Key Terms on The Embedded Church website:

    - Embodiment

    - Food Desert

    - Hospitality

    - Localism

    - Zoning

    Show Credits

    Hosted and Produced by Eric O. Jacobsen and Sara Joy Proppe

    Edited by Adam Higgins | Odd Dad Out Voice Productions

    Theme Music by Jacob Shaffer

    Artwork by Lance Kagey | Rotator Creative