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    Aside from being sexy, what do you do for a living? (with Kate Atkinson)

    enNovember 30, 2023
    What role does technology play in expressing love?
    How does Kate Atkinson's writing style differ from others?
    What themes does Atkinson explore in her short stories?
    What challenges do high-level political figures face?
    How is the conversation connected to power and popularity?

    Podcast Summary

    • A day filled with technology, love, and reflectionTechnology enhances our lives, enabling remote work, location control, and expressing love through gifts. We also indulge in treats and reflect on notable figures' contributions.

      Technology, like the iPhone and its features, can make our lives more convenient and help us express love and appreciation. During our conversation, we discussed the approaching train, the use of IOS for location control, and the excitement of Mother's Day gifts from Blue Nile. We also shared our experiences of working remotely and the joy of indulging in delicious treats, like mince pies. Sadly, we acknowledged the passing of notable figures in music and diplomacy, reflecting on their significant contributions. Overall, the day was a mix of productivity, indulgence, and reflection.

    • The complexities and intricacies of power and popularityFormer political figures face challenges and enemies, Powell's interactions with Trump, accomplished individuals not running for presidency, and the complexities of power in various spheres of life.

      Becoming a high-level political figure comes with its challenges and potential enemies. The discussion touched upon former Secretary of State Colin Powell and his interactions with Donald Trump, as well as the intrigue behind why accomplished individuals like Madeleine Albright and Anthony Blinken have not run for presidency. The conversation also included a brief detour into the world of television, discussing the popularity of "The Great British Baking Show" and the decline of "Shetland." Despite these seemingly unrelated topics, the underlying theme of the conversation was the complexities and intricacies of power and popularity in various spheres of life.

    • Discussion on Channel 4 drama, theater reviews, and pickup linesDespite surprise and disapproval, the speakers didn't recommend the Channel 4 drama 'Vassy'. They suggested Fi might have missed notable theater performances, such as Jodie Comer's one-woman show. Pickup lines were discussed in a humorous context, but the speakers expressed disapproval of receiving them in a PR email.

      The discussion touched on various topics including a drama on Channel 4, a listener's confusion over a theater review, and a humorous email about pickup lines. The drama, "Vassy," was mentioned as available on Channel 4, but neither the speaker nor the listener recommended it due to their lack of understanding. Evelyn shared her surprise over Fi's reluctance to attend the theater, suggesting that she might have missed some remarkable performances, such as Jodie Comer's one-woman show at the National Theatre. The conversation also included a light-hearted segment about pickup lines and the probabilities of their success. The email, which contained these lines, was from a PR company, but the speakers expressed their disapproval and revealed that they had explicitly asked not to feature such content in their program. The episode's guest was announced as author Kate Atkinson. Alexis shared a personal story about her godmother's financial support for her art education, which she attributed to the royalties from the Archers theme tune.

    • Exploring the complex histories behind popular stories and traditionsRecognize the diversity of experiences and create spaces for open discussions about them during the holiday season

      The stories we think we know, like the origins of popular songs or holidays, may have deeper and more complex histories. For instance, the archer's theme tune might have been composed by an unknown person, but some continue to profit financially from it. Similarly, the song "Happy Birthday to You" was written by American sisters who tried to secure royalties for it due to its widespread use. Moreover, not everyone celebrates Christmas in the same traditional way. Some people might be dealing with non-traditional circumstances, such as being single, having no family, or coming from different faiths. It's essential to recognize and acknowledge the diversity of experiences and to create spaces for open discussions about them. Additionally, Christmas is often portrayed as a perfect day filled with joy and happiness, but it can also be challenging for various reasons. Illnesses, family dynamics, and other unforeseen circumstances can make the holiday less than ideal. It's crucial to remember that everyone's experience of Christmas is unique, and it's essential to be understanding and supportive of each other during this season. Lastly, Christmas is often seen as a long day, and it can indeed feel that way. But it's also a day for expressing gratitude and connecting with loved ones, even if it's in unconventional ways. So let's embrace the diversity of experiences and make the most of the holiday season, no matter how it looks for us.

    • The power of connection and community during challenging timesKindness from listeners and sharing experiences can provide comfort and build a supportive community.

      The power of connection and community can provide comfort and perspective during challenging times. The speaker shared how the kindness of listeners who reached out after a difficult day resonated deeply with them. The suggestion to sit with feelings and let them pass was particularly helpful. The speaker also emphasized the importance of sharing experiences, good and bad, as a means of building a supportive community. In a separate email, a listener expressed the need for connection and the value of sharing struggles. The speaker acknowledged the importance of this connection and expressed gratitude for the community of listeners. In the upcoming interview, the speaker will be talking with author Kate Atkinson about her writing process and her latest work. Atkinson is known for her unique storytelling style and twisty tales that engage readers. The speaker also mentioned Atkinson's success with Woman's Own Magazine and her latest collection of short stories, "Normal Rules Don't Apply."

    • The Unique Perspective of a Writer vs. a ReaderWriters and readers have distinct experiences, and Kate emphasizes the importance of being 'friendly' as a writer to maintain a connection with readers. Kate's writing journey started with short stories for women's magazines, and she values the difference between creating stories and experiencing them as a reader.

      Writing and reading are two distinct experiences. Kate admits that she couldn't truly answer if she would enjoy her own books as a reader since the process of writing requires a unique perspective. She also mentions the importance of being "friendly" as a writer and maintaining an intimate connection with the reader. Kate's writing journey began with a short story competition in Woman's Own magazine, which validated her ability to write fiction. She enjoyed writing short stories for women's magazines and considers it an effective way to learn the craft. The difference between writers and readers is illustrated in Kate's work, where she creates characters and stories that resonate with readers and leave lasting impressions.

    • British author Kate Atkinson shares her struggles with self-doubt and completing her booksDespite facing self-doubt and challenges, successful author Kate Atkinson learns to embrace the writing process and gain confidence with each completed work, drawing inspiration from real-life figures.

      Kate Atkinson, a successful British author, has faced self-doubt and challenges throughout her writing career, even after winning awards for her novels. She shared her experiences of feeling uncertain and struggling with the middle of her books, describing it as a puzzle that needs to be solved. Despite these challenges, she's learned to embrace the process and gain confidence with each completed work. Her most recent novel, "Shrines of Gaiety," set in 1920s London, explores the world of nightclubs and the lives of those who owned and ran them. Atkinson was inspired by a real-life figure, Kate Merrick, whose autobiography revealed a bold and ambitious woman who built her fortune and success in the entertainment industry.

    • Daytime Club Life: Glamour vs. RealityThe world of daytime club life, with its allure and contrasting realities, continues to inspire writers, as depicted in the novel's exploration of the divide between the privileged and the working class during the aftermath of World War II.

      The world of daytime club life, as depicted in literature, holds a unique charm and intrigue that lies in the juxtaposition of the glamorous front and the gritty reality behind the scenes. The author's personal experiences and research, including consulting Barbara Cartland's memoir, add authenticity to this portrayal. Despite the impending general strike, the characters in the novel seem disconnected from the political climate, reflecting the divide between the working class and the privileged. The author's current obsession with the year 1951, just six years after the end of World War II, shows that the impact of historical events continues to resonate and provide rich material for writers.

    • Kate Atkinson's Writing Style: Unpredictable and Full of SurprisesKate Atkinson's writing is unpredictable, full of surprises, and explores apocalyptic scenarios. Her recurring theme is her hometown, York, and her introspective nature influences her dark themes.

      Kate Atkinson's writing style is unpredictable and full of surprises, both for her as a writer and for her readers. She values inventiveness and enjoys keeping herself and her audience engaged by not sticking to a strict plan or following the same formula. York, her hometown, is a significant recurring theme in her work. In her short stories, she explores various apocalyptic scenarios, including the one in "The Void," where even prominent figures like Princess Anne and the prime minister meet their end. Atkinson attributes her dark and apocalyptic themes to her introspective nature and her experiences as an only child. Her writing is not for those seeking a predictable or straightforward narrative, but for those who enjoy the thrill of not knowing what's coming next.

    • The speaker's upbringing shaped her personalityThe speaker believes having a sibling would have influenced her emotionally and socially, while her parents' marriage and her success as a writer brought her recognition but not always approval.

      The speaker's upbringing as an only child significantly influenced her personality and social development. She believes she would have been a different person if she had a sibling, as it would have provided companionship and exposed her to adversity. The speaker's parents, who stayed together despite their unhappiness, also impacted her emotionally. The speaker's success as a writer brought her some recognition but not always approval from her parents. The speaker admires author Kate Atkinson, who writes both literary and crime fiction, and appreciates her ability to balance both genres and her wit, which is evident in her writing, such as her short story about online dating and the deception of men wearing headgear.

    • People have always sought unique ways to express their desires and fetishesThroughout history, individuals have experimented with various expressions of pleasure, some of which may seem shocking or taboo today but were once commonplace.

      The exploration of human desires and fetishes is not a new phenomenon. From the nightclubs in SoHo a century ago, which catered to various sexual persuasions and drug use, to aristocratic circles hosting "baby parties" where adults dressed as infants, people have always sought unique ways to express themselves. While some practices may seem shocking or taboo today, they were once commonplace. This idea was further emphasized when it was revealed that Cynthia Payne's pleasure parlour included a room dedicated to men and nappies fetish. Despite the passage of time, the human desire to experiment and explore different aspects of pleasure remains constant. It's essential to remember that everyone has the right to express their individuality and be free, even if it challenges societal norms. This revelation may lead to intrigue from genealogy researchers, as the hosts jokingly suggested. Overall, the discussion highlighted the importance of understanding history and recognizing that many things, although seemingly new, have been explored before.

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