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    #AskGaryVee 283 | Michael Ventura, Applied Empathy & Sub Rosa

    enMay 22, 2018
    What is the main focus of Michael Ventura's book?
    How can excessive empathy be detrimental in business?
    What balance is important for founders to establish according to Ventura?
    What does Ventura suggest regarding team size and talent?
    Why is radical candor important in salary negotiations?

    Podcast Summary

    • Empathy: A Key to Effective Problem-Solving and Building SolutionsEmpathy is essential for successful problem-solving and building solutions in business. A new book and process, releasing May 22nd, help individuals understand and apply empathy through empathy archetypes.

      Empathy is a crucial skill for effective problem-solving and building solutions in business. Michael Ventura, the founder and CEO of Sub Rosa, a strategy and design practice, shares how they've found that empathy lies at the core of their successful projects. They've developed a process and a book, which will be released on May 22nd, to help individuals understand and apply empathy in their work. The book includes empathy archetypes, which act as a starting point for individuals to understand their strengths and weaknesses and learn how to work with them to become well-rounded empathetic problem solvers. This book is intended for businesspeople of all types, as empathy is a valuable skill for anyone looking to create effective solutions for their organizations and clients.

    • Empathy is the top skill for leadersEmpathy is crucial for leaders at any level, connecting and understanding others is essential, Gary Vaynerchuk trained US military generals in empathy, and empathy can be a game-changer for individuals and organizations.

      Empathy is a crucial skill for leaders at any stage of their career. Empathy was identified as the number one skill desired by generals at the United States Military Academy at West Point. It's not just for managers or those in leadership positions, but for anyone who considers themselves a leader. Empathy is related to patience and understanding, and it's essential to truly connect with and lead others. Gary Vaynerchuk, who was speaking in the discussion, shared his experience of being approached by the US military to train cadets in empathy, which eventually led to training generals. He also mentioned his text messaging platform, First in Line, which was initially intended to be a text messaging app but was rebranded to something more valuable for his audience - giving free sneakers and access to his time. The discussion emphasized the importance of empathy in leadership and how it can be a game-changer for individuals and organizations.

    • Balancing Business and CreativityFinding a balance between business and creativity requires flexibility, self-awareness, and letting go of perfectionism.

      Finding a balance between business tasks and creativity is essential for entrepreneurs and creatives alike. Gary Vaynerchuk shared his experience as a founder, noting that when the brand becomes the sun, the business runs more smoothly. Zach, a caller on the AskGaryVee Show, asked about managing workflow between business and creativity. He shared that he doesn't schedule specific time for creativity, as he feels the two worlds blend best when they're intertwined. However, when working on a book, he scheduled a writing day each week to focus solely on the project. Gary emphasized the importance of letting go of self-judgment and embracing the ebbs and flows of creativity and business. He encouraged everyone to remember that it's okay to have off days and to take a step back when needed. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that finding a balance between business and creativity requires flexibility, self-awareness, and a willingness to let go of perfectionism.

    • Understanding your creative processCultivate self-awareness, avoid self-comparison, embrace off days, recognize strengths and weaknesses, and practice self-compassion

      Self-awareness and understanding one's own creative process are crucial for personal growth and productivity. The discussion touched upon the importance of not comparing oneself to others and allowing oneself to have off days, while also recognizing the need for structure and planning. The Star Wars analogy of the Jedi's struggle between the light and dark side was used to illustrate the human tendency to judge oneself harshly and the importance of empathy and self-compassion. The conversation also highlighted the value of recognizing one's strengths and weaknesses and adapting to them, rather than striving for a one-size-fits-all approach. Lastly, a surprising coincidence about a custom-made shirt added a light-hearted moment to the conversation.

    • Balancing Empathy and Decision MakingFounders should balance empathy with decision making to avoid losing focus and falling into entitlement as their company grows.

      While empathy is a valuable trait in business, there comes a point where it can become detrimental if a company tries to take on too much information and loses focus on making decisions. Empathy should be balanced with the ability to draw the line and make decisions based on the information available. Both Gary Vaynerchuk and Michael Ventura agree that startups can fall into the trap of too much empathy leading to entitlement as they grow. It's important for founders to establish a balance of radical candor and empathy from the beginning and be aware of the potential for entitlement as a company scales. Empathy should be used to understand perspectives, but not to the point of putting oneself in the shoes of others and losing focus on solving problems from one's own perspective.

    • Empathy vs. Strategic Leverage: Finding the BalanceEmpathy can be a valuable asset, but it's essential to balance it with strategic leverage. Identify your goals, align actions, and build a team that shares your vision to scale effectively.

      Empathy can be a valuable asset, but it's important to understand where to draw the line between being overly empathetic and building strategic leverage. Gary Vaynerchuk shares his personal experience of being too empathetic towards clients, which led him to realize that it was actually his competitive advantage. However, it's crucial to be aware of what drives you and not let short-term gains overshadow long-term benefits. For instance, some people prioritize profit over revenue or employee count, and it's essential to identify your goals and align them with your actions. The key is to apply empathy practically and turn it into something tangible that sets you apart from competitors. As Michael Mentora asked about scaling a creative firm, Gary shared his experience of growing VaynerMedia from a small team to a large agency. They used freelancers, interns, and other strategies to manage their workload while focusing on their core competencies. The takeaway is that scaling requires careful planning, identifying your unique value proposition, and building a team that shares your vision.

    • Scaling while maintaining high-performanceFocus on hiring best talent, delegate tasks, build a platform for creators or niche SaaS, leverage technology and community, reduce costs, avoid egos and expenses, practice radical candor and transparency in salary negotiations

      To scale a business while maintaining high-performance, it's essential to focus on hiring the best talent and delegating tasks that aren't your strengths. The speaker emphasizes that at a smaller team size, every member must excel in their role, and as the team grows, it becomes increasingly challenging to maintain that level of excellence. He suggests letting go of the notion of keeping the team small and instead building a platform for creators or a niche SaaS business to tap into a larger pool of talented freelancers or community members. The key is to leverage technology and community to scale while reducing costs and avoiding the egos and expenses that come with hiring full-time employees. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of radical candor and transparency when negotiating salaries to ensure fair compensation for top talent.

    • Focus on bringing value to interns and freelancersTo get the most value from interns or freelancers, prioritize your internal foundation, focus on solving open-ended problems, create resonating content, and respect distribution.

      To get the most value from interns or freelancers, organizations need to focus on bringing value to them rather than just hiring for the sake of it. It's essential to have a strong internal foundation, including the right people, products, and values, before pursuing external aspirations. Companies that prioritize their culture and focus on solving open-ended problems for their clients can tackle a wide range of issues. By allowing yourself to create content that resonates with your audience, even if it's not perfect, you can unlock new opportunities and growth. It's crucial to respect the distribution of your creative work and not be overly insular. Ultimately, being willing to look inward and focus on your foundation will lead to the best outcomes when working with interns, freelancers, or external partners.

    • Understanding unique perspectives in creative teamsEmpathy and effective communication are key to success in working with creative teams. Tailor your approach to each team member's learning style for better outcomes.

      Effective communication and empathy are essential when working with creative teams or individuals in a business setting. Gary Vaynerchuk and Michael Ventura discussed the importance of understanding different perspectives and customizing communication to cater to individual needs. They used the analogy of sports coaching to illustrate this concept, explaining that coaches who took the time to understand their athletes and tailor their approach to each player's learning style were the most successful. In business, it's crucial to adopt a similar approach when working with creative teams, as everyone has unique ways of working and processing information. By practicing empathy and understanding the nuances of each team member's role, leaders can create a more effective and cohesive team, ultimately leading to better outcomes for the organization.

    • Empowering Teams for Long-Term Brand BuildingFocus on long-term goals, trust team members, accept decisions, and develop empathy for effective brand building.

      Building a brand is a long-term process, and it's important to let go of ego and micromanaging in order to focus on the bigger picture. The speaker emphasizes the importance of trusting and empowering team members, even if it means accepting less control or imperfect results. He also stresses the importance of accepting decisions and moving on, rather than wasting energy on complaints or frustration. Additionally, the speaker encourages the development of empathy as a skill, and sees his upcoming book as a resource for helping people identify and improve their own empathetic abilities. Overall, the key takeaway is to focus on the long-term goals of building a brand and developing relationships, rather than getting bogged down in the details or micromanaging team members.

    • Sharing a message requires ongoing effort and empathyConsistently work to spread your message, prioritize empathy, and bring value to relationships to build trust

      Writing a book and spreading a message is an ongoing process with no finish line. It requires consistent effort and commitment to bring your message out into the world time and again. Empathy is a crucial aspect of emotional intelligence, but there may be other pillars like patience, gratitude, or trust that could be explored in the future. To accelerate trust in a relationship, actions must align with intent, and being valuable to the other party is key to success. The guest, Michael, encourages the audience to ask a thoughtful question that brings value to both the guest and the audience.

    • During sporting events, some people exhibit less empathetic behaviorRecognize that our behavior during intense situations might not reflect our true nature or intentions, and strive for empathy and understanding towards others

      People may exhibit different behaviors and levels of empathy in various contexts, such as during sporting events. For some individuals, like the speaker in this conversation, their least empathetic self emerges during these situations. They may express rude and mean-spirited behavior towards others, even to the point of wishing harm upon them, due to strong emotions and a sense of protection for their team. It's essential to recognize that these actions might not reflect their true nature or intentions in other aspects of life. Understanding where we struggle to empathize can help us grow and make a conscious effort to be more considerate and understanding towards others.

    • Compensating for Insecurities with Sports Teams or Other Insignificant ThingsPeople who rely on sports teams or insignificant things for self-esteem may be insecure and trying to hide their lack of confidence. Allowing them to express themselves in less consequential matters could help prevent emotions from manifesting in more significant areas.

      Using sports teams or other insignificant things as a means to boost self-esteem can be a sign of insecurity. According to the speaker, this behavior is particularly noticeable among sports fans who wear jerseys of their favorite teams in places where those teams are not popular. He expresses his disdain for such fans, believing that they lack confidence and are trying to compensate for their insecurities. The speaker also suggests that this behavior is not limited to sports fans, but can be observed in various other contexts, such as in business or politics. He proposes that allowing people to express their opinions or passions in less consequential matters could help them release their emotions and prevent those feelings from manifesting in more significant areas of their lives. Overall, the speaker's perspective emphasizes the importance of self-confidence and authenticity, rather than relying on external factors for validation.

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