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    Brené with Susan Cain on How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole, Part 2 of 2

    enMarch 30, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • The Shift Towards Toxic Positivity in the USEmbrace the full range of human emotions, including sadness and bitterness, for better mental and emotional well-being.

      The United States, a nation founded on heartache and courage, has shifted towards toxic positivity and false positivity as its driving forces. According to Susan Cain, this can be traced back to the religious roots of the country, specifically the Calvinist belief in predestination. However, this shift is not just limited to religious influences. The pressure to constantly be positive and productive in modern society can lead to a denial of the natural human experience of bittersweet emotions. This denial can have negative consequences on our mental and emotional well-being. It's important to recognize and embrace the full range of human emotions, including sadness, longing, and even bitterness, as they are essential parts of the human experience. Susan Cain's new book, "Bittersweet," explores this concept in depth and provides valuable insights into how we can navigate the complexities of life's ups and downs.

    • The Evolution of Success and the Stigma of FailureFrom virtue and hard work to material success, the definition of success has changed. The stigma of being a 'loser' has evolved from external factors to internal flaws, carrying a noxious meaning.

      The concept of success and the fear of being labeled a "loser" have evolved significantly throughout history. Originally, showing virtue and hard work were keys to being seen as destined for heaven. However, as society became more business-oriented in the 19th century, material success replaced the idea of heaven. To be successful, one had to exhibit emotional traits of a winner, leading to the stigmatization of negative emotions. During the depression in the 1930s, the blame for failure shifted from external factors to internal flaws, further solidifying the negative connotation of being a "loser." Today, the word "loser" carries a noxious meaning, implying a deep-rooted character flaw. To understand this further, the speaker went back to Princeton and asked students about the true nature of their lives, revealing that despite appearances, many were struggling with their own insecurities and fears of failure.

    • The pressure to be perfect can lead to mental health issues and emotional suppressionSuppressing emotions due to societal pressure for perfection can hinder personal growth and emotional well-being

      The pressure to be effortlessly perfect among college students, and society as a whole, can lead to detrimental consequences, including mental health issues and hiding emotions. This phenomenon, which has its roots in the need to avoid being labeled as a "loser," can create a moving escalator of expectations that leaves individuals ill-equipped to handle pain and adversity. A poignant example of this is the experience of Susan David, who lost her father as a teenager and was encouraged to suppress her emotions and maintain an appearance of perfection. It wasn't until she was given permission to express her feelings in a safe space that she began to heal. Similarly, research by Jamie Pennebaker highlights the importance of acknowledging and processing negative emotions rather than suppressing them. In essence, the pressure to be effortlessly perfect can hinder personal growth and emotional well-being.

    • Writing down emotions leads to better health and well-beingWriting about emotions improves mental and physical health, enhances creativity, and increases chances of employment

      Expressing our emotions through writing can have profound positive effects on our well-being. The research of Jamie Pennebaker from the University of Texas has shown that writing down our feelings can lead to better mental and physical health, as well as increased chances of finding employment. This transformation occurs when we move past seeing our emotions as static and instead, actively engage with them through writing. The power of this creative expression was evident during a conversation on the HBO show "Atlas of the Heart," where the discussion on bittersweet emotions left a lasting impact on the audience. The act of recording our emotions in diaries or journals allows us to process and understand our experiences, making us deeply creative beings capable of turning life's challenges into something meaningful.

    • Writing for healing and self-understandingWriting privately helps process emotions, particularly fears and shame, leading to profound insights about life's impermanence and hope during tough times

      Writing down our thoughts and experiences, even if not intended for publication, can be a powerful tool for healing and self-understanding. This act of writing, according to research, triggers an "alchemy" that helps us process our emotions, particularly those related to our fears and shame. However, in today's digital age, where children are conditioned to believe everything they write may be read by others, it's crucial to allow ourselves the freedom to write without an audience for the initial drafts. This private reflection can lead to profound insights about the bittersweet nature of life, recognizing that both joyful moments and painful times are impermanent. Ultimately, embracing bittersweetness allows us to appreciate the beauty in the impermanence of life and find hope during challenging times.

    • Appreciating life's complexities through divine shards and joyEmbrace the impermanence of joy and appreciate the complexities of life through the lens of divine shards and practices like memento mori.

      Life's experiences, including grief and joy, are not one-dimensional. They ebb and flow, and it's important to remember that even during difficult times, there are moments of light and connection to be found. This idea is reflected in the Kabbalistic teaching that the world is made up of divine shards, or fragments of light, which we can pick up and appreciate, but not fully possess. Similarly, joy, though vulnerable due to its impermanence, is an essential part of the human experience that should be embraced rather than feared. Practices like memento mori, or remembering impermanence, can help us stay present and appreciate the fleeting nature of joy. Overall, these insights offer a valuable perspective for navigating the complexities of life.

    • Embracing impermanence for joy and presenceRecognizing life's fragility leads to happiness and gratitude, while dismissing fear and loss can hinder joy. A present moment practice, like a bedtime ritual, can help us embrace impermanence and appreciate relationships.

      Embracing the impermanence of life and normalizing the loss and fear that comes with it can help us fully appreciate the joys we have and live more presently. The speaker shares her personal experience of using a bedtime ritual to put down her phone and be present with her children, and how this practice has helped her hold fear at bay and fully embrace joy. The opposite of this normalization is pathologizing, where we may dismiss or stigmatize feelings of loss, grief, or vulnerability. Research shows that older people, who are more aware of life's fragility, tend to be happier and more grateful. By recognizing and accepting the impermanence of life, we can learn to appreciate each moment and appreciate the depth of our relationships.

    • Surprising Side of Vulnerability ExpertSusan Cain, despite being known for advocating vulnerability, was surprised by others' reactions to her public speaking and socializing side. Vulnerability is a personal experience, not just a concept.

      Vulnerability, being real and telling the truth, is not always in line with how others perceive us. Susan Cain, known for her advocacy on the importance of vulnerability, shares how people were surprised when they discovered her public speaking and socializing side. She also experienced the irony of being labeled as the "vulnerability expert" despite her introverted past. In a lighter note, we learned that Susan's family recently binge-watched the YouTube channel "Oversimplified" and enjoyed the historical insights it provided. Her favorite movie is "Breakfast at Tiffany's," and she attended a memorable concert for Leonard Cohen, which she initially felt was a waste but turned out to be a moving experience. Despite her public persona, Susan shared her personal experiences honestly and authentically, reminding us that vulnerability is not just a concept but a part of everyone's lives.

    • The power of music to bring people togetherMusic can create profound connections and moments of joy, reminding us of the importance of everyday pleasures and shared experiences.

      Music has the power to bring people together and create a profound sense of connection and communion. I was fortunate enough to witness this firsthand during a Leonard Cohen concert, where the artist added his own musical riff to a song, resulting in a moment of collective effervescence that left the entire audience silently rising to their feet. This experience, reminiscent of sacred rituals, was described by sociologist Emile Durkheim as a magical phenomenon. It's a reminder that everyday moments, like enjoying a favorite meal or engaging in a beloved activity, can also bring us joy and a sense of connection. So whether it's through music, a shared experience, or a simple pleasure, never underestimate the power of these shards of joy in our lives. And, just for fun, here's a mini mixtape of five songs that can't live without: Anthem by Leonard Cohen, Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen, After All by Dar Williams, Le Chanson de Ville Amant, and a tie between Cake by the Ocean by Dance and "Cake by the Ocean" by Django Dusk.

    • Exploring the Duality of Emotions through Music and StorytellingEmbrace the full range of emotions in life, as reflected in Susan's playlist and her powerful book, 'The Atlas of the Heart'. Look forward to the upcoming HBO Max series and submit your questions for a future podcast episode.

      Learning from this conversation with Susan is the importance of embracing the full range of emotions in life. Susan shared how her playlist reflects this duality of joy and sorrow, and how certain songs can evoke strong emotions. She also spoke about the impact of Susan's book, "The Atlas of the Heart," which she described as a powerful and enduring work that continues to resonate with her. Additionally, Susan announced the upcoming release of the HBO Max series based on her book, and encouraged listeners to submit their questions for a future podcast episode. Overall, this conversation underscores the value of exploring and expressing our emotions, and the power of art and storytelling to connect us to each other and to ourselves. You can find more information about Susan and her work on her website, quietrev.com, and be sure to check out the Atlas of the Heart series on HBO Max.

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