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    BTC113: Bitcoin Lightning Tackling Spam w/ Vida Founder Lyle Pratt (Bitcoin Podcast)

    enJanuary 18, 2023

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    • From cloning Twilio to exploring Bitcoin Lightning Network for spam and bot solutionsIdentifying market needs, adapting to challenges, and finding cost-effective solutions are crucial for entrepreneurial success. The Bitcoin Lightning Network could potentially mitigate spam and bot issues on social media and phone calls, making it an exciting area for exploration in the Bitcoin community.

      Lyle Pratt, a successful entrepreneur and telecommunications expert, shared his entrepreneurial journey and the intersection of Bitcoin Lightning Network with spam and bot solutions on social media and phone calls. He founded a company called Better Voice in college, which grew to a significant number of unique visitors. The initial idea was to build an online-only small business phone system using Twilio's API. However, they soon realized Twilio's pricing was too expensive for scaling their white-label business. As a result, they cloned Twilio's voice and messaging API functionality on an open-source stack. This experience highlights the importance of identifying market needs, adapting to challenges, and finding cost-effective solutions. Additionally, Lyle discussed the potential of the Bitcoin Lightning Network in mitigating spam and bot issues on social media and phone calls, making it an intriguing topic for further exploration in the Bitcoin community.

    • The Evolution of SIP and Real-Time Payments in TelecomsSIP's early designers envisioned real-time payments, but it took the emergence of the Lightning Network in 2018 to make it a reality, leading to opportunities to eliminate fraud and spam in the telecom industry

      The Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), a key technology in VoIP communication, gained popularity alongside the growth of VoIP. Jason Brett, an industry expert, shared his experience of working with SIP early in his career and how it became the most widely used signaling protocol for handling voice, video, and messaging worldwide. The designers of SIP and HTTP envisioned a world where digital payments would be a reality, but it took longer than expected for this to materialize. In 2018, the emergence of the Lightning Network made real-time payments possible, and Brett saw an opportunity to eliminate fraud and spam in the telecommunications industry by implementing real-time settlement. This led him to create Vida and further explore the potential of real-time payments in the telecom landscape. The ability to process payments instantly could have significantly impacted the evolution of the internet and telecommunications industries.

    • The Power of Belief and Adaptability in EntrepreneurshipBelieving in your vision and being adaptable are essential for entrepreneurial success. Long-term Bitcoin enthusiast Jason Brett shares his commitment to the cryptocurrency and Preston Pysh discusses his experiences with Better Voice and the importance of pivoting.

      Having faith in your vision and the ability to adapt when necessary are crucial aspects of entrepreneurship. Jason Brett, a long-time Bitcoin enthusiast, shares how his belief in the cryptocurrency's potential led him to contribute to the industry. Meanwhile, Preston Pysh reflects on his experiences with Better Voice and emphasizes the importance of maintaining a big-picture perspective and being open to pivots. Furthermore, Pysh introduces VITA, an innovative app that allows users to monetize their time through calls and text messages over the Lightning Network. Overall, the conversation highlights the value of resilience, adaptability, and staying focused on long-term goals in the face of uncertainty.

    • Revolutionizing communication with Vida: Set your own prices for time and attentionVida aims to transform the telecommunications industry by allowing individuals to set their own prices for calls, messages, and live streams, creating a decentralized, efficient communication network where value flows directly between individuals.

      The Vida app aims to revolutionize communication by giving individuals the power to set their own prices for their time and attention, including phone calls, messages, and live streams. This concept is based on the idea that our time and attention are scarce economic goods, and the only way to allocate them efficiently in a market is through price. The vision for Vida goes beyond just a consumer product; it's about transforming the entire telecommunications industry, allowing individuals to set prices for contact and eliminating the need for networks to act as intermediaries. This could potentially reduce spam and fraud by making it economically unviable, as individuals would be able to charge for their time and attention. The ultimate goal is to create a decentralized, efficient communication network where value flows directly between individuals as the communication happens.

    • Learning and growing through supportive communitiesJoining a community of like-minded individuals can enhance your learning and investment growth. However, in a decentralized world, preventing spam and filtering becomes a challenge.

      Having a supportive community can significantly enhance your learning and investment growth. The TIP Mastermind community is an excellent example of this, where passionate value investors share ideas, connect with experts, and build lifelong relationships. While it's essential to stay informed with financial news and trends, having a network of like-minded individuals can provide invaluable insights and perspectives. On the other hand, as we move towards a more decentralized world, the issue of spam and filtering becomes more challenging. Centralized platforms like Twitter and Gmail, despite having total control, are still struggling to keep up with the spam and bots. In a decentralized infrastructure or social network, where there is no centralized control or filtering, the problem is likely to worsen. The ability to do centralized filtering won't be there, and operators are already exploring ways to prevent spam, such as proof of work or paying to access relays. It's a reminder that while decentralization can bring many benefits, it also comes with its unique challenges.

    • The ongoing battle against spam and unsolicited messagesIndividuals should have control over message costs, and potential solutions include the Lightning Network and payments to discourage spam.

      The value of our time and attention in the online world is significant, yet the cost to reach us is often zero for spammers and bots. This creates a honeypot situation, making the fight against spam and unsolicited messages (SPAM) an ongoing battle. Proof of work is one proposed solution, but its implementation and effectiveness are still up for debate. Ultimately, individuals should have control over the cost of receiving messages, and the infrastructure required to maintain decentralized platforms will not be free. The Lightning Network and payments are suggested as potential solutions to monetize and discourage SPAM. However, more research and innovation are needed to effectively address this persistent issue.

    • Decentralized communication systems like Nostr and Lightning Network could disrupt traditional systemsDecentralized communication systems could offer more control and security to users, but require addressing challenges like spam and intermediaries.

      The decentralized nature of projects like Nostr and the Lightning Network could potentially disrupt traditional centralized systems, such as email and telecommunications, by providing more control and security to users. Jason Brett, from 3five forty six, explained how spam centralized email, and the same issue could arise in the Nostr ecosystem if not addressed. He suggested that implementing standards and decentralized solutions for managing spam could prevent this outcome. Brett also mentioned the potential for the Lightning Network to transform global telecommunications, making it more open, transparent, and decentralized. However, not all communication experiences can be solved with strict peer-to-peer flows, and there may still be a role for intermediaries in certain aspects of these systems. Overall, the decentralized approach offers the potential for more secure and user-controlled communication solutions, but it also presents challenges that the community will need to address.

    • Revolutionizing Telecom with Lightning NetworkLightning Network on Bitcoin aims to expand customer bases and eliminate settlement risk for telecoms by requiring infrastructure similar to Noster relays. Incentives for telecoms to adopt could include charging for call time and network providers taking a portion.

      The Lightning Network, a decentralized payment system built on top of Bitcoin, is poised to revolutionize the telecommunications industry. Individuals and businesses will need to provide infrastructure similar to Noster relays for the Lightning Network to function effectively, creating a system that expands customer bases and eliminates settlement risk for telecom companies. The API developed by the Strike team already exists and is being used to paywall services and accept international traffic with zero settlement risk. However, the telecom industry's incentives are currently misaligned towards stopping spam calls, as they benefit from increased call volume. A potential solution could be for downstream subscribers to set a price for their time and for network providers to take a portion for facilitating the call. This could incentivize telecom companies to adopt the Lightning Network and improve the industry as a whole.

    • Misaligned incentives in online worldCurrent incentives prioritize profits over user value, leading to unwanted content and calls. A shift towards user control could reduce spam and offer personalized content, but requires collective action and complex solutions.

      The current incentive structures online, from telecom networks to social media platforms, are not aligned with user value. Telecom operators are incentivized to only connect calls that will be answered, while platforms like Facebook monetize user attention without compensating them. If individuals had control over their own prices, the incentives would shift to providing value and eliminating unwanted content or calls. However, implementing this would require collective action from all users and service providers, and could involve complexities like verification processes and wallet systems. The potential benefits include reduced spam and more personalized content, but the challenges include ensuring equal access and preventing abuse. Overall, this discussion highlights the need for a fundamental reevaluation of online incentive structures to better align with user value and control.

    • The Decentralization of the Lightning Network: Concerns over Market Share and SolutionsDespite concerns over market share centralization in the Lightning Network, Lightning Labs' competitive advantage from early product releases led to widespread adoption. The team is addressing privacy concerns by considering solutions for paywalling regular cell phone numbers while allowing necessary calls to come through.

      The decentralization of the Lightning Network, a popular bitcoin scaling solution, is a topic of ongoing discussion due to the significant market share held by one specific implementation, LND (Lightning Network Daemon), which is developed by Lightning Labs, a company. The concern is that with a high percentage of nodes being LND, the network could potentially become less decentralized and permissionless. However, Jason Brett, a speaker in the discussion, argues that Lightning Labs has achieved market share through offering a good product, specifically with the early release of Keysend, which enabled instant, invoiceless payments. This competitive advantage led to widespread adoption. Nevertheless, the team is considering solutions to paywall regular cell phone numbers while allowing necessary calls, such as those from doctors' offices, to come through. This is a complex problem, and there are no easy answers yet. The team is actively thinking about how to address this issue while maintaining the decentralization and permissionless nature of the Lightning Network.

    • The importance of adaptability in entrepreneurship and martial artsHard work, adaptability, and resilience are essential in both entrepreneurship and martial arts. Adapt to changing circumstances and respond to opponents' moves to succeed.

      Adaptability is crucial in both entrepreneurship and martial arts. Jack Mallers shared his experience of feeling powerless when he first started training jujitsu, which inspired him to work harder and improve. Similarly, in business, entrepreneurs need to be flexible and responsive to their environment in order to create value and succeed. Mallers also emphasized the importance of hard work in all aspects of life, whether it's building a company, practicing jujitsu, or pursuing any other goal. During the discussion, the topic of centralization in the Lightning Network arose. While there is a risk of too much centralization, competitive forces and market forces are expected to drive decentralization over time. The speakers were skeptical of doomsday scenarios where the entire network becomes centralized, as there are opportunities for other node implementations to gain traction. Preston Pysh added that there are parallels between entrepreneurship and martial arts, as both require the ability to adapt to changing circumstances and respond to opponents' moves. Joe Carlasare agreed, emphasizing the importance of having a clear goal in mind and being able to pivot when obstacles arise. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of hard work, adaptability, and resilience in various aspects of life.

    • The importance of having a clear goal in martial arts and businessUnderstanding the technology behind an investment, staying informed, and following experts can help navigate volatility and hitch wagons to the right opportunities. In martial arts and business, having a clear goal is essential for staying focused and overcoming challenges.

      Having a clear, big goal is essential in both martial arts and business. In jujitsu, the goal is to prevent getting choked out or submitting your opponent. In business, it could be creating value or reaching a specific milestone. Losing sight of this goal can lead to stress and obstacles, but keeping it in mind helps to overcome challenges and stay focused. Another key takeaway is the importance of understanding the technology behind an investment, such as Bitcoin and the Lightning Network. Volatility can be intimidating, but the potential benefits and scale of the technology make it worth the investment. The world needs the ability to instantly settle value, and the lightning network is the only solution that can achieve this at scale with minimal fees. Additionally, having a long-term perspective and staying informed about the latest developments in the industry can help investors and entrepreneurs navigate the ups and downs and hitch their wagons to the right opportunities. Lastly, following experts and thought leaders in the field, such as Lyle Pratt, can provide valuable insights and learning opportunities. Don't hesitate to reach out and engage in conversations with them. Follow Lyle Pratt on Twitter @lialpratt and learn more about Vida and the Lightning Network at vita.page/lialpratt. And be sure to follow the We Study Billionaires podcast for more insights and conversations with experts in various industries.

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    In this episode of the Bitcoin Fundamentals Podcast, investigative journalist Matthew Lysiak discusses his latest book on fiat food policies, influential figures like Ancel Keys, corporate interests, and the impact of inflation on health. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 02:22 - The history and impact of fiat food policies. 10:11 - The role of influential figures like Ancel Keys and John Harvey Kellogg. 25:11 - Insights into nutrient density and its importance. 26:21 - How to accurately measure the CPI bucket considering nutrient dense food prices. 29:02 - How corporate interests have shaped national food policies since 1884. 40:30 - The monetary and nutrition shifts of the 1970s. 52:03 - The real cost of inflation on financial, physical, and mental health. 56:21 - How Bitcoin can change the current food and health landscape. Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Matthew’s Book: Fiat Food. Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our Bitcoin Fundamentals Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance Tool. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: River Toyota CI Financial Sun Life AFR The Bitcoin Way Industrious Briggs & Riley Range Rover Meyka iFlex Stretch Studios Vacasa Public Simon & Schuster USPS American Express Shopify Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

    TIP636: Billionaire Investing Legend Li Lu w/ Clay Finck

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    On today’s episode, Clay dives into the investment approach of billionaire value investor Li Lu. Li Lu is the Founder and Chairman of Himalaya Capital, a value investing firm where he has been managing its principal fund since 1997. Before his passing in 2023, Charlie Munger was an investor in the fund. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 01:27 - The back story of Li Lu’s early life. 06:46 - Li Lu’s investment philosophy. 08:28 - The four key investment principles he adheres to. 29:36 - Li Lu’s view on investing in China. 44:52 - An overview of Alphabet, one of Li Lu’s top holdings. Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Stig, Clay, Kyle, and the other community members. Li Lu’s book: Moving the Mountain. Check out: FT Magazine Article. Check out: Li Lu’s 2006 talk at Columbia. Related Episode: RWH008: Playing to Win w/ Mohnish Pabrai | YouTube video. Follow Clay on Twitter.  Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our We Study Billionaires Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance Tool. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: River Toyota Sun Life Range Rover AFR The Bitcoin Way Meyka CI Financial Industrious Fidelity Long Angle Briggs & Riley AFR Fundrise iFlex Stretch Studios Public NDTCO American Express Shopify HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! It takes less than 30 seconds, and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it! Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

    BTC185: AI Compute with Bitcoin Mining w/ Andrew Edstrom and Jesse Myers (Bitcoin Podcast)

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    In this episode of the Bitcoin Fundamentals Podcast, Andy Edstrom and Jesse Myers discuss the recent shift in political attitudes towards Bitcoin, highlighting how being “anti-Bitcoin” has become an election-losing stance. They explore the merging of AI training and Bitcoin mining facilities, examining the potential synergies and future implications for the Bitcoin ecosystem. Join us for an insightful discussion on these pivotal developments. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 12:12 - How major political parties are shifting their stance on Bitcoin. 12:12 - Insights into the current political climate and its effect on Bitcoin. 17:45 - The implications of being “anti-Bitcoin” as an election-losing proposition. 36:38 - The merging of AI training and Bitcoin mining facilities. 39:30 - Potential synergies between AI and Bitcoin mining. 39:30 - The future impact of AI integration on Bitcoin mining efficiency. 39:30 - The potential economic and technological benefits of combining AI and Bitcoin. Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Jesse Myer's Twitter. Andy Edstrom's Twitter. Onramp Twitter. Onramp's Website. Check out all the books mentioned and discussed in our podcast episodes here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our Bitcoin Fundamentals Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance Tool. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: River Toyota Sun Life Range Rover AFR The Bitcoin Way Meyka CI Financial Industrious Fidelity Long Angle Briggs & Riley AFR Fundrise iFlex Stretch Studios Public NDTCO American Express Shopify Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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    This episode is sponsored by Roofstock onChain

    This is a story of how something can appear to be what it is not. 

    It’s a tale of a jarring contrast between the image the world had of Sam Bankman-Fried before FTX’s meltdown pushed the crypto world into a nauseating tailspin and the reality of a wildly mismanaged multibillion-dollar empire with what Bankman-Fried’s appointed successor described as an “unprecedented” failure of accounting, oversight and discipline

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