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    BTC133: Creating a New Libor on Bitcoin w/ Jesse Shrader (Bitcoin Podcast)

    enJune 07, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • From Legal Services to Bitcoin: Jesse Schrader's JourneyJesse Schrader's background in legal services prepared him for Bitcoin's high transaction fees issues. He found Lightning as a solution and joined its development. Now, his company Amboss offers liquidity services, impacting risk-free rates and finance.

      Jesse Schrader, a Bitcoin layer 2 expert, shared his experience of how his background in legal services, specifically dealing with class action lawsuits against predatory fees and identity theft, prepared him for his work in the Bitcoin and Lightning ecosystem. During his early days in Bitcoin around 2017, he was frustrated by the high transaction fees and was drawn to Lightning as a solution. His encounter with Tony Potdevin, who was working for ThunderHub, led him to the world of Lightning development at a time when it was still uncertain if the technology would succeed. Now, Jesse's company, Amboss, is providing an open market for liquidity providers, offering income for their services. This innovative approach has significant implications for risk-free rates and finance at large. Overall, Jesse's journey highlights the importance of understanding the problems with traditional payment systems and the potential of new technologies like Lightning to address these issues.

    • Meeting the Mind Behind ThunderHub and AmbossJason Brett and Tony Poitven collaborated to create ThunderHub, an essential UI for managing Lightning channels, and later developed Amboss, a website indexing full nodes to simplify user connections, contributing to Lightning Network's accessibility and decentralization.

      The early days of Lightning Network in 2017 were experimental and intimidating for non-technical users. Jason Brett met Tony Poitven, a tool builder who created ThunderHub, an important user interface for opening and managing Lightning channels. Together, they helped early adopters navigate the complexities of the new technology. In 2019, they came up with the idea for Amboss, a website that indexes full nodes, enabling users to find and connect to each other more easily. This was crucial for building a decentralized payment network on the Lightning Network, which operates without credit or debt. The creation of tools like ThunderHub and Amboss played a significant role in making Lightning Network more accessible to non-technical users, paving the way for its wider adoption.

    • Early tools like Amboss helped users navigate the complexities of the Lightning NetworkAmboss and similar tools provided clear and accessible information about Lightning Network transactions and network activity, helping users make better decisions and build trust in decentralized finance solutions.

      The early development of tools like Amboss for the Bitcoin Lightning Network was driven by the need to provide users with clear and accessible information about their transactions and network activity. This was crucial for building trust and understanding in the complex and rapidly evolving world of decentralized finance. Initially, Amboss focused on creating a Lightning Network Explorer, allowing users to view their node profiles and channel listings, and providing data visualizations to help users navigate the network. However, as the network grew and more people joined, it became clear that there was a need for additional features and functionality. Users expressed frustration with the complexity of opening channels and understanding their transactions, leading Amboss to expand its offerings to include tools for calculating channel opening costs and tracking the flow of funds. Additionally, as the Lightning Network grew more popular, there was a need for tools to help new users understand how to receive payments, leading Amboss to develop features to simplify this process. Overall, Amboss and similar tools played a crucial role in helping users navigate the complexities of the Lightning Network and build trust in this new decentralized payment system. By providing clear and accessible information, these tools helped users make better decisions and create a more user-friendly experience, paving the way for the widespread adoption of decentralized finance solutions.

    • Inbound liquidity challenge in Bitcoin and Lightning NetworkMagma marketplace offers a solution for reliable inbound payments, but users should consider risks of trusting third parties and explore setting up their infrastructure for long-term security and decentralization.

      The current lack of a seamless solution for inbound liquidity is a significant user experience problem in the SaaS world of Bitcoin and Lightning Network. This issue creates a market opportunity, leading to the development of Magma, a marketplace where users can buy channels to receive payments reliably. While many users may not need to understand the technical aspects of running their own nodes or setting up infrastructure, it's essential to consider the potential risks of trusting third parties for custodial wallets. As the ecosystem evolves, setting up one's infrastructure could minimize trust and create a more decentralized network, similar to a city with interconnected highways. However, for the average user, the seamless UX offered by wallets like Wallet of Satoshi and Cash App allows them to use Bitcoin and Lightning without needing to understand the complexities. Ultimately, the optionality for users to choose between trusting third parties or setting up their infrastructure is crucial for Bitcoin's long-term security and decentralization.

    • Exploring Alternatives to the Centralized Financial SystemThe TIP Mastermind Community connects investors, experts, and entrepreneurs, while AT&T offers infrastructure and security. Stay informed with Yahoo Finance, but consider the potential of decentralized systems like Bitcoin for alternative financial solutions.

      The TIP Mastermind Community offers passionate value investors a platform to share stock ideas, connect with industry experts, and build lifelong relationships through weekly live Zoom calls and annual events. Meanwhile, in the world of business, having reliable infrastructure and security controls, like those offered by AT&T, can provide peace of mind and allow entrepreneurs to take their businesses to the next level. In the financial realm, staying informed is crucial, and tools like Yahoo Finance provide access to top news, trends, and analysis to help investors stay ahead of the curve. However, there are also concerns with the existing centralized financial system, such as the potential for trust issues and vulnerability to bank failures. Bitcoin and decentralized payment systems offer an alternative by allowing individuals to run their own infrastructure and eliminating the need for trust in third parties. While these systems have their own potential issues, such as scalability and energy consumption, they present an intriguing solution to the challenges of the legacy financial system.

    • Addressing delays and risks in traditional fiat paymentsBitcoin's push payments and Amboss' Magma marketplace enable merchants to accept Bitcoin with their own nodes, reducing settlement fees and eliminating chargeback risk.

      The traditional fiat payment system involves a significant delay between the swipe of a card and the actual settlement of the transaction, which can leave both merchants and consumers at risk. During this time, funds can be reversed through chargebacks, and merchants pay high fees for settlement. In contrast, Bitcoin transactions are push payments, meaning individuals approve every time funds leave their accounts. Amboss is addressing these issues through their Magma marketplace, which allows individuals and businesses to buy and sell Bitcoin liquidity for the Lightning Network, creating a new, low-fee payment rail. This gives merchants the ability to accept Bitcoin payments with their own nodes and infrastructure, reducing settlement fees and eliminating the risk of chargebacks.

    • A new way to transact with Bitcoin using the Lightning NetworkThe Lightning Network lets users earn yield on Bitcoin, maintain custody, and enjoy instant settlement and no chargeback risk. It's a shift towards utilizing Bitcoin as both a store of value and medium of exchange.

      The Lightning Network offers a new way for merchants and Bitcoin holders to transact without the need for traditional credit-based financial systems or trusting third parties. This network allows users to earn yield on their Bitcoin by providing liquidity, while also maintaining custody of their coins. The cost of setting up this infrastructure has increased due to high fees on layer 1, but the opportunity to earn yield still exists. The Lightning Network also offers instant settlement and no chargeback risk, making it an attractive alternative for businesses. Essentially, the Lightning Network enables users to utilize Bitcoin as both a store of value and a medium of exchange, all while earning a yield. This is a significant shift in the financial landscape and offers potential benefits for individuals and businesses alike.

    • Lightning channel adoption hindered by high Bitcoin feesDespite potential benefits, Lightning channel adoption is hindered by high Bitcoin transaction fees, causing a decrease in volume. New protocols like Arc aim to address this issue and offer privacy benefits, but face competition from the established Lightning Network ecosystem.

      The high transaction fees on the Bitcoin network have led to concerns and hesitation when it comes to opening Lightning channels. This has resulted in a significant decrease in volume for Lightning channels, as users are waiting for more reasonable fees before setting up their infrastructure. A recent announcement about the Arc protocol, which aims to address the issue of inbound liquidity and provide privacy benefits, has generated excitement but is still in its early stages. The network effect of the Lightning Network, with its established ecosystem of businesses and developers, may make it difficult for new protocols to compete. However, the initial idea phase of Arc and the potential for private payments and improved network efficiency make it an intriguing development to watch.

    • High-yield cash accounts and the Lightning NetworkHigh-yield cash accounts offer substantial interest rates, while the Lightning Network provides potential for earning yield on Bitcoin with low risk and cheaper payments. Companies like KPMG and Fidelity are exploring enterprise adoption, and new use cases are emerging.

      High-yield cash accounts, like the one offered by Public Investing with a current APY of 5.1%, can provide substantial interest rates for investors. However, it's important to note that this is not a bank account and funds are subject to change. Meanwhile, NerdWallet can help individuals make smarter financial decisions by comparing and finding the best credit cards, savings accounts, and more. Regarding the Lightning Network, it's still in its early stages, and enterprise adoption is a significant area of excitement. Companies like KPMG and Fidelity are showing interest, and new use cases like Nostr, a social network for sending and receiving Bitcoin through the Lightning Network, are emerging. The network also offers the potential for earning yield on Bitcoin holdings with low risk. Despite the need for a refresh every 30 days, the potential for cheaper payments and new use cases make it an exciting development in the world of cryptocurrency.

    • Exploring the Potential of the Lightning NetworkThe Lightning Network, a Bitcoin second-layer solution, enables fast, cheap global transactions, revolutionizing small transactions and opening new use cases.

      The Lightning Network, a second-layer solution built on top of Bitcoin, is revolutionizing the way small transactions are processed, enabling new use cases and making global settlement faster and cheaper than ever before. Jesse and Preston discussed the potential of this technology, sharing their excitement about its possibilities. Jesse encouraged listeners to learn more about Lightning and Bitcoin by reading "Mastering Lightning" and exploring Amboss, a platform for building and running Lightning nodes. The use of the Lightning Network is not just for understanding Bitcoin as a store of value, but also as a settlement network and payment system. This technology has the potential to change the game in various industries, and it's just the beginning. If you're interested in learning more, be sure to follow the We Study Billionaires podcast, and don't forget to leave a review to help others discover the show.

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