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    Conversation with Morgan Housel — Behaviors that Influence our Money Decisions and Habits

    enNovember 16, 2023

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    • Exploring Simplicity and Human Behavior with Morgan HouselUnderstanding human behavior's repetition in finance leads to better financial decisions. Embrace simplicity to gain precision, control, and focus.

      Simplicity in business operations, as demonstrated by Mercury's banking solutions, can lead to greater precision, control, and focus. Morgan Housel, a financial thought leader and author, emphasizes the importance of understanding human behavior and its repetition in various aspects of life, including finance. During this episode, we delve into his latest book, "Same as Ever," and discuss the timeless concepts it explores. Meanwhile, the speaker expresses excitement for upcoming travels to Formula 1 in Las Vegas and New York, highlighting the importance of experiencing new opportunities and stepping out of comfort zones. Additionally, an unexpected invitation to 10 Downing Street adds a unique twist to the conversation. Overall, the episode underscores the significance of embracing simplicity, understanding human behavior, and seizing new experiences.

    • Disappointed about missing 10 Downing Street meeting, speaker remains optimistic about US-China communicationSpeaker emphasizes importance of US-China communication, anticipates productive meeting between Biden and Xi, and expresses interest in economic benefits of improved relations

      Despite not being able to attend a meeting at 10 Downing Street due to unexpected circumstances, the speaker remains optimistic about the importance of open communication between world leaders, particularly between the US and China. The anticipated meeting between President Biden and Xi Jinping is expected to focus on managing competition and preventing conflict. The speaker also expresses interest in investing in a Chinese company, Shein, and believes that improved relations between the US and China could lead to significant economic benefits for the world. Despite challenges, the speaker emphasizes the importance of maintaining lines of communication to prevent potential conflicts and promote cooperation.

    • US-China Economic InterdependenceThe US and China are economically interconnected, with significant revenue generated by US companies in China and large US debt held by China. Maintaining this relationship is crucial for both parties to avoid negative economic consequences.

      The relationship between the United States and China, the world's two largest economies, is crucial and needs to be maintained, rather than decoupled. The US and China are economically interdependent, with significant revenue generated by US companies in China and a large amount of US debt held by China. Moreover, China's economic problems and the potential consequences of disrupting this relationship could have severe consequences for both parties. The US and China are each other's largest trading partners, and any significant disruption could lead to negative economic repercussions. Furthermore, the US public perceives China as a greater threat than China perceives the US. In the tech industry, there are attempts to replace traditional smartphones with wearable devices, such as the one developed by Humane, but the success of such ventures remains uncertain due to previous failures in the wearable market. The US-China relationship is a complex one, and maintaining it is essential for the global economy.

    • Apple's Consumer-Friendly Approach to AIApple is expected to make a significant impact in AI, refining and popularizing it for consumers, potentially revolutionizing industries.

      Apple, known for its consumer-friendly approach and innovative design, is expected to make a significant impact in the field of AI. The speaker believes that Apple, often the second or third to market with new technologies, will refine and popularize AI in a way that resonates with consumers. He also expressed skepticism about the current trend of wearable technology, suggesting that it may not offer enough utility or appeal to consumers. Apple's entry into AI could potentially revolutionize industries, from creative fields to relationships and health, and the speaker expressed excitement about the potential possibilities. The speaker also shared his personal history with Apple products, noting his attachment to the brand and his belief that Apple's brand and capital give it a unique advantage in the market.

    • Understanding Consistent Patterns in the EconomyFocus on human responses to greed, fear, and uncertainty instead of trying to predict the market. Stay informed of consistent patterns to make informed decisions and navigate the economic landscape effectively.

      Despite the ever-changing details in our economy and society, certain behaviors and patterns remain consistent. Morgan Housel, the author of "Same as Ever: A Guide to What Never Changes," emphasizes this concept based on his observation of financial crises throughout history. He argues that instead of trying to predict the market, we should focus on understanding human responses to greed, fear, and uncertainty, which are constants in our economic future. Housel believes that the recent era of easy money has led to poor financial decisions, both at the individual and institutional levels. He highlights the housing market as an example, where despite rising mortgage rates, house prices have not significantly decreased. Housel's insights suggest that staying connected as a team and being aware of these consistent patterns can help businesses and individuals make informed decisions and navigate the economic landscape effectively. To learn more about unleashing your team's potential and staying connected towards shared goals, visit atlassian.com.

    • Housing Market Uncertainty: Denial vs. RealityApproach home buying with caution, prioritize family needs, and recognize hidden risks in the volatile housing market.

      The current housing market situation feels like a standoff between denial and reality. The housing market has seen significant price increases and low interest rates, leading to easy money and potentially risky decisions. However, the consequences of these decisions, such as paying back those loans, have not fully materialized yet. For young people in their late twenties and early thirties, it's essential to approach home buying with caution and prioritize what's best for their family rather than FOMO or financial investment considerations. Additionally, it's crucial to recognize that risk often lies in what we don't see or consider. The housing market's volatility and the potential for unforeseen economic events underscore the importance of being aware of hidden risks and preparing for various scenarios. Overall, it's a time of uncertainty, and being mindful of personal financial situations and long-term goals is crucial.

    • Consistent mechanical investing strategies like dollar cost averagingIgnoring emotions and investing consistently can lead to better long-term results, with dollar cost averaging outperforming complex strategies in the long run.

      Ignoring emotions and sticking to a consistent, mechanical investing strategy, such as dollar cost averaging, can lead to better long-term results. The speaker emphasizes that even the brightest minds in investing don't have a crystal ball and that emotions can often cloud judgment, leading to poor decisions. Studies have shown that dollar cost averaging, which involves investing a set amount regularly regardless of market conditions, outperforms many complex strategies in the long run. The ease and simplicity of this strategy make it an attractive option for investors. However, it's important to note that while dollar cost averaging is a sound strategy, it's not foolproof and should be used as part of a well-diversified investment portfolio.

    • Focus on preparation, not predictionInvest in flexibility, expect market declines, understand your bets, and prioritize long-term financial growth for a fulfilling life

      Rather than trying to predict the future of the market, it's more beneficial to focus on being prepared for various scenarios. As Nassim Taleb said, "invest in preparedness, not in prediction." This means having a flexible asset allocation and expecting market declines, as historically they occur unexpectedly. It's also important to understand the bet you're making when investing, and realizing that different investors may have different games they're playing. Maureen's book, "The Intelligent Investor," can be seen as a guide to not only financial success but also living a more fulfilling life. By understanding the constants in your life and making informed decisions, you can achieve long-term financial growth and stability, leading to a more rewarding life beyond just financial comforts.

    • Understanding Behavior with Money in InvestingMoney behavior in investing reflects how people approach relationships and life, with financial success often linked to respect and admiration, but enduring validation comes from positive qualities.

      Investing is a behavioral topic, and understanding how people behave with money in the context of investing can provide valuable insights into other areas of life. Money is a tool that can be used to improve one's life, but it can also lead to addiction, a desire to climb the social ladder, or a means to seek respect and admiration from others. The way one approaches money may also indicate how they approach other relationships and aspects of their life. Ultimately, respect and admiration from loved ones through positive qualities like wisdom, love, humor, and empathy is a more enduring and fulfilling way to seek validation than through material wealth. However, the deep-rooted desire for financial success and the correlation between wealth and respect in capitalist societies can make it a challenging instinct to modulate.

    • True happiness comes from relationships and personal fulfillment, not just material wealthRecognize that true happiness comes from healthy relationships and personal fulfillment, not just financial success. Strive for balance between success and relationships.

      While it's natural for humans to desire success and the respect and admiration that comes with it, it's important to recognize that true happiness comes from healthy relationships and personal fulfillment, rather than just material wealth. However, financial security is still crucial for maintaining relationships, especially in heteronormative relationships where the man is traditionally seen as the provider. It's also important to note that wealth does not guarantee happiness, and people who prioritize relationships and personal well-being over financial success may still find greater happiness in the long run. Ultimately, it's essential to strike a balance between striving for success and prioritizing relationships and personal fulfillment.

    • The importance of happiness beyond financial successWhile wealth can contribute to happiness, it's not the only factor. Balance time for relationships, health, and personal well-being for a fulfilling life.

      While financial success can be important, it's not the only factor that contributes to happiness. The speaker expresses a concern that in today's economy, people may be placing too much emphasis on wealth and material possessions, leading to unrealistic expectations and potential dissatisfaction. He shares an observation that even with advancements in technology and increased material wealth, people may not necessarily be happier. The speaker also discusses how social media can contribute to this issue by creating a highlight reel of others' lives, leading to comparisons and potential dissatisfaction. He shares an example of how definitions of wealth and success have changed over generations, and expresses concern about the potential consequences for future generations. In essence, the speaker encourages a balanced approach to life, prioritizing time for relationships, health, and personal well-being, in addition to financial success.

    • Grammarly: More Than Just a Grammar Checker, Mercury: Simplifying Business Finances, Impact of Upbringing on WealthGrammarly offers writing assistance beyond grammar checks, Mercury streamlines business finances, research reveals income among siblings is more correlated than height or weight, Buffett advises parents to provide resources without hindering drive

      Grammarly is not just a grammar checking tool, but a comprehensive writing assistant that helps generate AI prompts, strike the right tone, personalize writing, and integrate seamlessly across various apps and websites. Meanwhile, Mercury simplifies financial workflows for businesses by powering financial operations from the bank account, allowing for faster bill payments, better control over company spending, and streamlined reconciliation. Furthermore, research shows that upbringing significantly impacts one's relationship with money as they age. While the common belief is that growing up poor drives individuals to work harder to become rich, statistics suggest the opposite - income among siblings is more correlated than height or weight. This economic mobility issue is a pressing concern, and the odds of venturing far from one's social-economic group are low. Buffett's advice to parents is to provide enough resources for their children to pursue opportunities but not so much that it hinders their drive. As a parent with financial success, instilling the characteristics that led to that success becomes a challenge.

    • Growing Up with Supportive Parents: Balancing Safety Net and ConsequencesEncourage children to work hard and take risks, but set clear boundaries. Strike a balance between providing support and allowing consequences. Underestimate genetics, overestimate lifestyle choices in health.

      Instilling resilience and self-reliance in children is a valuable goal, but it can be challenging to put into practice. Morgan Housel, a financial author and partner at The Collaborative Fund, shared his experience of growing up with supportive parents who encouraged him to work hard and take risks, but also set clear boundaries. He emphasized the importance of striking a balance between providing a safety net and allowing children to experience the consequences of their actions. Housel also highlighted the dangers of overestimating the role of genetics in our health and underestimating the impact of lifestyle choices. Overall, Housel's message was one of practical wisdom and emotional balance, encouraging us to take responsibility for our own well-being and that of our children.

    • Exercise is the key to a long and healthy lifePrioritize exercise, sleep, nutrition, and social engagement for optimal health. Exercise is crucial and can be seen as the 'fountain of youth'.

      According to doctors Atia, Peter Atia, and Andrew Huberman, the keys to living a long and healthy life include social engagement, good sleep, proper nutrition, and regular exercise. While it's important to prioritize all of these factors, the speaker emphasizes that exercise is the most crucial element, often referred to as the "fountain of youth." Despite having less than ideal sleep and nutrition, the speaker attributes his exceptional health to his consistent exercise routine. The speaker encourages listeners, especially those in their twenties and thirties, to make exercise a priority, even if it requires the use of an app, joining a gym, or hiring a personal trainer. The best investment one can make for their health, according to the speaker, is to prioritize sleep, nutrition, and exercise, with a focus on pushing oneself and being able to handle physical challenges.

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