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    Deflation May Be Coming Sooner Than You Think

    enJanuary 27, 2023

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    • UK Pension System Ranks Highly on Global ScaleThe UK pension system is worth exploring due to its high ranking on the MERSA pension rating system and the availability of a current deal to buy back missed National Insurance years for those not reaching the full 35 years for a full state pension.

      Despite the common perception that pensions are dull or uninteresting, they can actually be quite fascinating and exciting to explore. During a recent Twitter Spaces discussion, it was discovered that the UK pension system ranks highly among global systems, according to the MERSA pension rating system. This finding, along with the availability of a current deal to buy back missed National Insurance years, makes the UK pension system a noteworthy topic. For those who may not have the full 35 years required for a full state pension, this opportunity provides good value. Overall, the discussion highlighted the importance of understanding the intricacies of pension systems and taking advantage of available opportunities to secure a comfortable retirement. Listen to the full conversation on the Big Take DC podcast for more insights.

    • Potential for deflation in 2022 and the role of money supplyDespite initial expectations of high inflation, potential deflation could emerge this year due to contracting money supply, particularly in the US. Deflation refers to a general fall in price level as measured by CPI, and may not be immediately apparent.

      This year could mark the beginnings of deflation, as opposed to the high inflation that was expected. The contraction in the money supply, specifically in the US, is the primary driver of this potential deflation. This concept may be confusing given the traditional definition of deflation as a contraction in the nominal money supply. However, for the purposes of this podcast and audience, deflation can be defined as a general fall in the price level as measured by CPI. The base effects, which were responsible for the inflation in early 2021, are now playing out in reverse. It's important to note that this deflation may not be immediately apparent on the surface and could take some time to fully materialize. The UK's pension system, which interplays with the state pension system, serves as an example of how the combination of private and state financing has successfully rescued and strengthened the pension system. This idea could potentially be applied to other areas, such as healthcare. Despite the potential boredom or reluctance to engage with the topic, understanding pensions and their implications is crucial for everyone, as retirement and pension-related matters will eventually impact us all.

    • Understanding base effects on inflation readingsBase effects from last year's high inflation readings can make this year's numbers appear artificially low, while declining excess savings could lead to deflation. Policymakers and analysts must consider these factors to accurately assess the economic situation.

      The current economic situation is experiencing base effects, which will make inflation readings appear lower than the actual underlying trend. This is due to the fact that inflation was higher than trend during certain months last year, and as we move forward, those high base numbers will make this year's inflation readings look lower in comparison. Additionally, the excess savings built up during the COVID-19 pandemic are starting to dwindle, which could lead to a deflationary period. It's important to note that these base effects do not change the underlying trend of inflation, but rather make the readings appear artificially low. The intersection of these base effects and the declining excess savings could result in a deflationary period, potentially leading to concerns about economic downturns. It's crucial for policymakers and analysts to understand these base effects and not be misled by the apparent decline in inflation readings.

    • Fighting Inflation with Monetary Policy: The Road to a Possible RecessionCentral banks are raising interest rates and tightening monetary policy to combat high inflation, which could lead to a recession, resulting in significant declines in real earnings.

      The current economic situation involves unexpectedly high and volatile inflation, which was caused by excessive money printing during the pandemic. Central banks, such as the Federal Reserve, are now trying to combat this inflation by raising interest rates and tightening monetary policy, which could lead to a recession. Historically, recessions have resulted in significant declines in real earnings. It's important to note that when the Fed tightens monetary policy, it's ultimately aiming to create a recession in order to reduce inflation. The idea of a mild recession is questionable, as historical data shows that recessions have led to significant declines in real earnings. The Fed's actions are intended to curb inflation, but they could also result in a recession.

    • Record corporate profits and shrinking consumer affordability could lead to recessionCorporate profits are high, but consumers struggle to afford goods due to inflation and stagnant real earnings. Tight monetary policy, increasing costs, and falling margins could lead to a recession, with value and staple stocks potentially outperforming.

      The current economic situation, driven by record high corporate profit margins and a shrinking ability for households to afford goods due to inflation and stagnant real earnings, is unsustainable and could lead to a recession. Corporations are facing increasing costs, particularly in wages, while struggling to pass on price increases to consumers. This situation, combined with tight monetary policy, could lead to a significant contraction in earnings for corporations and the stock market. Additionally, the assumption that the US equity market is not overvalued but instead has an earnings problem means that value and staple stocks may outperform in a recessionary environment. The volatility of inflation makes pricing a challenge for companies, and if margins fall significantly, it could signal further issues for the market.

    • Investing in value stocks during inflationDuring inflation, value stocks with lower PE ratios, less volatility, and dividends offer protection and potential returns

      During periods of declining earnings and potential inflation, investing in value stocks over growth stocks may be a wiser choice. The value sector tends to have lower PE ratios, providing a higher earnings yield to protect against inflation. Additionally, value stocks are often less volatile and pay dividends, which can help maintain returns during inflationary periods. The speaker also predicts that inflation may become volatile in the future, potentially leading to recession and a subsequent increase in money supply growth. This complexity of inflation makes it important to consider various economic factors when making investment decisions.

    • US vs Europe Inflation: Different Causes, Similar SolutionsThe US and Europe face higher inflation but require different policy responses. US inflation is due to decreased money supply and imported goods costs, while Europe's is due to energy costs and money supply growth. Both should ease monetary policy to encourage growth and prevent negative economic impact.

      The current economic situation in both the US and Europe involves higher inflation rates, but the causes and appropriate policy responses differ. While the US has experienced a decrease in money supply, leading to inflation due to increased costs of imported goods, the correct response is to ease monetary policy and encourage money supply growth. In contrast, Europe and the UK are experiencing higher inflation due to a combination of factors, including reliance on expensive imported energy and growing money supply. The policy response should be to prevent the negative impact on the economy by easing monetary policy and cutting interest rates. This could potentially lead to a reversal of current monetary policies and a push of inflation back up in the US and Europe within the next year.

    • The impact of house prices on incomes and the economyThe current low-interest environment has led to house prices rising significantly, but incomes are unlikely to keep pace, potentially causing a 30% decrease in house prices. The economy is interconnected, and changes in one area can impact others, such as the Bank of England cutting rates to ease house price pressure.

      The economic landscape is influenced by various factors, and the relationship between house prices and incomes is a significant one. The current low-interest environment has led to house prices reaching unprecedented highs in relation to incomes. While interest rates may not stay at their current lows, the likelihood of incomes rising significantly is low, which could result in a potential 30% decrease in house prices. The economy is interconnected, and changes in one area can impact others. For instance, a decrease in interest rates could lead to the Bank of England cutting rates further to ease pressure on house prices. The UK stock market, which was once considered uninvestable, is now being seen as investable again by institutions due to its performance relative to US indices. However, it's essential to note that the retail investor and institutional investors may not hold the monopoly on smart decisions in finance.

    • Investing during high inflation and low interest ratesDuring periods of high inflation and low interest rates, traditional value investing strategies like buying low PE stocks may not provide protection. Unexpected inflation and central bank responses can lead to long-term trends of rising interest rates and slow economic growth. Gold could become an attractive investment as a hedge against inflation.

      Historical periods of high inflation and low interest rates, like the 1970s and 1980s, can be challenging for investors. During these times, buying stocks with low Price-to-Earnings (PE) ratios, or being "cheap," may not offer much protection as the market may stagnate or even decline in real terms. In fact, the UK stock market went sideways during this period, despite not experiencing the same lows as the US. It's also important to note that inflation can reappear unexpectedly, and central banks may respond by raising interest rates to combat it. This can lead to a long-term trend of rising interest rates and potentially slow economic growth. Gold, which may not seem appealing during periods of low inflation and low interest rates, could become an attractive investment in such an environment as investors seek protection against inflation. The modern investor may not yet fully appreciate this, but as they build in inflation protection buffers, gold could see renewed demand.

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