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    Deglobalization, Public Policy, and Government Intervention — with Dambisa Moyo

    enAugust 19, 2021

    Podcast Summary

    • Governments to Play a Bigger Role in Post-Pandemic EconomyGovernments will expand their roles, leading to increased debt, deficits, regulation, and taxation, resulting in a smaller private sector and fewer publicly traded companies.

      The post-pandemic economy is expected to be defined by a more progressive world with a larger role for governments. Dambisa Moyo, a global economist and bestselling author, believes that governments will become bigger, assuming more debt and deficits, and becoming a more significant arbiter of capital and labor. This shift will likely result in a smaller private sector, with fewer publicly traded companies, as businesses shy away from heavy regulatory scrutiny. Additionally, there will be more taxation and regulation overall. This perspective is based on historical trends during the Gilded Age and the decades following. Despite the challenges, Atlassian software, like Jira, Confluence, and Loom, can help teams stay connected and productive, enabling them to work together effectively, no matter the size of the team. Mercury's financial workflows can also provide the precision, control, and focus needed for businesses to thrive in this changing economic landscape.

    • Post-pandemic trends: public vs private sectorThe post-pandemic era will see a balance between public and private sectors, with each driving progress and improving livelihoods

      The post-pandemic era will be characterized by five key trends: a renewed push for antitrust legislation due to the dominance of a few corporations in various sectors, the deglobalization of trade, capital, people, intellectual property, and institutions, a potential shift in resources from the private to the public sector, and an increased focus on technology and automation. Regarding the last point, some may argue that a larger role for government comes at the expense of the private sector, leading to lower output and productivity. However, it's important to remember that throughout history, the government has played a crucial role in driving innovation, economic growth, and human progress through initiatives like the Manhattan Project, DARPA, and the development of Silicon Valley. When government acts efficiently and effectively, it can be a powerful catalyst for economic success. Furthermore, it's worth noting that some of the happiest countries in the world are socialist, demonstrating that an economic construct often labeled as negative or inefficient can still lead to high levels of well-being. Ultimately, the post-pandemic era will require a delicate balance between the public and private sectors, with each playing its role in driving progress and improving livelihoods.

    • Socialism's Impact on Winners and LosersEffective crisis response requires a multidimensional approach, long-term planning, and recognition of global implications.

      Socialism, where the government plays a larger role in controlling the means of production and redistribution, can have both winners and losers depending on how the government operates. While there is a concern for income inequality and social mobility, it's crucial to avoid governments that prioritize short-term redistribution over long-term growth. The response to the economic crisis, such as the CARES Act and PPP loans, had errors including a lack of multidimensional approach, failure to view it as a long-term problem, and treating it as a solely national issue instead of a global one. To effectively address such crises, it's essential to bring various experts together, plan for long-term solutions, and recognize the global implications.

    • Lack of coordination in globalization policies leads to deglobalizationPolitical considerations and short-term thinking hinder economic growth by preventing countries from focusing on comparative advantage and addressing structural issues in the global economy

      The lack of coordination among countries in implementing globalization policies is leading to a deglobalization trend, which is detrimental to the world economy. The speaker, who is a proponent of globalization, believes that countries should focus on producing what they are best equipped to produce based on comparative advantage. However, political considerations often lead to protectionist policies that hinder the growth of economies that should be at the forefront of certain industries, such as agriculture in Africa. The speaker also emphasizes the need for long-term solutions to address the structural issues facing the global economy, such as technology, demographic shifts, income inequality, and infrastructure. Unfortunately, the political environment rewards short-term thinking, making it difficult to implement these solutions. The speaker suggests that improving infrastructure and education in the United States, specifically, could help address some of these challenges. Overall, the lack of coordination and short-term thinking in global economic policies is hindering progress and making the world poorer.

    • US debt-to-GDP ratio and its economic risksThe US, with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 100%, faces economic challenges and vulnerabilities, particularly with China as its largest foreign lender. Urgent action is needed to secure the future of the US and global economies, while addressing ethical considerations around data privacy in the age of technology.

      The United States' current financial situation, marked by large deficits and a high debt-to-GDP ratio, poses significant risks to the country's economic stability and global standing. The fact that China, a major rival, is the largest foreign lender to the US government, creates a vulnerability that could lead to serious consequences if relations between the two nations deteriorate. Economists Ken Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart, in their book "This Time It's Different," have shown that when government debt exceeds 60% of GDP, economic growth slows down, and countries face numerous challenges, including income inequality and civil unrest. With the US debt-to-GDP ratio now at 100% and the global ratio at 320%, urgent action is needed to address these issues and secure the future of the US and global economies. Additionally, ethical considerations, particularly around data privacy, must be addressed as technology continues to play a larger role in our lives.

    • Considering sacrifices for advancementsAffordable phone bills through Mint Mobile, effective team collaboration with Atlassian, and increased board visibility into ethical issues

      We all strive for advancements like a cancer cure or effective team collaboration, but it's essential to consider the sacrifices we're willing to make. Mint Mobile offers an affordable wireless solution, allowing individuals to save on their phone bills without giving up essential services. Meanwhile, Atlassian's software empowers teams to collaborate effectively, enhancing productivity and achieving shared goals. Regarding corporate governance, boards need more visibility into ethical issues, with some companies even considering ethics committees on the board. Boards have been around for centuries, and while they face challenges, they have the power to influence change, particularly in areas like ethics and transparency.

    • Balancing innovation and societal concernsBoards must consider the balance between driving innovation and addressing societal concerns like climate change, ESG compliance, and poverty impacts. Cooperation between major powers is crucial, and food insecurity is expected to rise in the US.

      As the world becomes increasingly interconnected economically, ethically complex questions will arise for businesses and their boards. These questions include the balance between speeding up innovation and sacrificing certain freedoms, the role of corporations in addressing climate change and ESG compliance, and the importance of understanding trade-offs and broader societal concerns. For instance, while addressing climate change is crucial, turning off the lights for those without access to energy could lead to impoverishment and mass migration. The speaker also emphasized the need for boards to consider these issues thoughtfully and avoid being forced to answer questions without considering broader implications. Regarding geopolitical power, the speaker believes both China and the US will remain important players, but cooperation will be necessary. Lastly, the number of food-insecure households in the US is expected to increase over the next 5 years.

    • Finding hope in America's challengesEconomist Dr. Dambisa Moyo believes America's institutions are improving, young people should be patient and persistent, and finding common ground is key to overcoming issues like food insecurity, income inequality, and political polarization.

      Despite the challenges of increasing food insecurity, income inequality, and political polarization in the United States, there is reason for optimism. Economist and author Dr. Dambisa Moyo believes that the country's institutions are becoming more transparent and inclusive, and the key to overcoming these issues is through open dialogue and acknowledging past mistakes. She advises young people to be patient and persistent, as success doesn't come easily or quickly. Dr. Moyo emphasizes the importance of understanding that "no" does not mean "never," but rather "not now." She also encourages a focus on finding common ground and working together to define and achieve a better future for America. Overall, her message is one of hope and the importance of perseverance in the face of adversity.

    • Simplifying financial operations and anticipating life momentsStreamlined finances save time and resources for startups, while anticipation brings joy and excitement in life.

      Simplicity in financial operations and building anticipation in life can lead to significant rewards. Mercury, a financial technology company, offers a simplified solution for business finances, allowing for faster bill payments, better spending control, and streamlined reconciliation. This can save startups valuable time and resources. Meanwhile, the speaker shares a personal anecdote about the joy of anticipation, emphasizing the importance of creating exciting moments and looking forward to connecting with loved ones. By simplifying financial workflows and building anticipation, individuals and businesses can improve their overall experience and performance.

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