So apparently these guys have just given up on post production. The Mozart that once elevated this discourse just a tad, is gone and the whole program suffers for that omission. Moreover, it seems they have gotten too lazy to edit out fillers and stutters. They must have spent hours previously trying to trick all of us into thinking they were well spoken...and I guess it kind of worked, but the jig is up now. The true quality of these two comes through in episode 15.
Jon and Shaun believe that schools should be designed around the specific qualities of the teachers. This is a massive headache for any administrator and obviously should be avoided at all costs. Shaun actually forces himself to take the reasonable and right stance for a while, and he makes excellent points along the way, yet he cannot resist but to capitulate to his friend who would cater to the strengths of teachers rather than to the strength of immortal policy. They would risk the future of a school on the loss of one person. Do I even need to point out how ridiculous this is? The answer is "no," so goodbye.