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    Do immigrants really take jobs and lower wages?

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    • Immigration and wagesThe impact of immigration on wages is a contentious issue with ongoing debate among economists, as shown by the Mariel Boat Lift of 1980, which brought thousands of Cubans to Florida and led to conflicting views on whether immigration led to lower wages for American workers or boosted economic growth

      The impact of immigration on the labor market and wages is a contentious issue with ongoing debate among economists. This debate was sparked by a natural experiment in the late 1970s when 125,000 Cuban immigrants arrived in the United States, creating a near-perfect study of immigration's effect on the economy. The Mariel Boat Lift of 1980 brought thousands of Cubans to Florida, and while some economists argue that these new arrivals led to lower wages for American workers, others contend that immigration actually boosts economic growth. This debate continues today, highlighting the complexity of labor markets and the importance of understanding the nuanced ways that immigration shapes our economy. Additionally, it's essential to acknowledge the value of diverse perspectives, as showcased in NPR's Black Stories, Black Truths, which amplifies Black voices and experiences in American storytelling.

    • Mariel Boatlift and Labor MarketThe Mariel Boatlift did not cause significant negative effects on wages or employment in Miami's labor market, contrary to the prevailing assumption based on supply and demand laws.

      That the massive influx of Cuban immigrants, as seen in the Mariel Boatlift, did not lead to significant decreases in wages or increases in unemployment in the labor market of Miami, contrary to the prevailing assumption based on the basic laws of supply and demand. Economist David Card used this unexpected event as a natural experiment to study the impact of immigrants on a labor market, challenging the assumption that every new immigrant displaces a native worker. Card's research, based on six years of census data from 1979 to 1985, showed no significant negative effects on wages or employment in Miami compared to four other cities that did not experience similar immigration shocks.

    • Absorptive capacity of labor marketDavid Card's study on the Mariel Boatlift showed that increased immigration doesn't always lead to lower wages for native workers, but instead, the labor market can absorb new immigrants and create new jobs due to their increased demand as consumers.

      David Card's study on the Mariel Boatlift challenged the common belief that increased immigration leads to lower wages for native workers. Instead, Card found that the labor market had absorptive capacity, meaning that the arrival of Cuban immigrants didn't depress wages but actually created new jobs due to their increased demand as consumers. This groundbreaking study, published in a modest journal, was initially met with skepticism but later became one of the most cited papers in immigration economics. It challenged the prevailing view that immigration follows the basic laws of supply and demand and paved the way for a new perspective on the issue.

    • Impact of Immigration on American WorkersThe debate between economists David Card and George Borjas over the impact of immigration on American workers remains contentious, with Borjas arguing that immigration can negatively affect some American workers, particularly the lowest skilled, based on his analysis of nationwide data sets and the Marriott experiment.

      The debate between economists David Card and George Borjas over the impact of immigration on American workers remains contentious. Borjas, who had long studied immigration's effects on the economy, disagreed with Card's findings from the "Mario Boatlift" study that one natural experiment could fully explain the issue. Borjas preferred to examine the broader picture using nationwide data sets and found that immigration can negatively affect some American workers. However, there are trade-offs, as some people will benefit while others may lose jobs. Borjas' analysis of the Marriott experiment focusing on high school dropouts led to different findings, revealing a significant wage drop for the lowest skilled workers in Miami when immigrants entered the labor market. This overturned Card's pro-immigration findings and sparked controversy in the field of economics and beyond.

    • Impact of Immigration on WagesResearch on immigration's effect on wages is contentious, with some studies suggesting lower wages for certain groups and others not. Careful data analysis and interpretation are crucial in economic research and policy making, as methods and sample sizes can significantly impact findings.

      George Borjas's research on the impact of immigration on wages became a contentious issue among economists and policymakers. Borjas's findings, which suggested that immigration can lead to lower wages for certain groups, particularly those without a high school degree, were influential in shaping Trump's anti-immigration policies. However, some economists, like Jennifer Hunt and Michael Clemens, were skeptical of Borjas's methods and criticized his decision to exclude Hispanic workers from his sample. This controversy highlights the importance of careful data analysis and interpretation in economic research and policy making. Borjas's focus on a narrow subset of workers without a high school degree and exclusion of Hispanic workers led to an average sample size of just 17 workers per year, which some argue was not representative of the entire labor market in Miami. Ultimately, the debate underscores the complexities and nuances of the relationship between immigration and wages, and the need for ongoing research and dialogue on this important issue.

    • Economic impact of immigrationDespite a consensus among leading economists that the long-term impact of immigration on native-born workers' wages and employment in the US is small, ongoing debates and disagreements persist, and immigration remains a contentious issue in politics

      A group of leading economists reached a consensus over a decade ago that the long-term impact of immigration on the wages and employment of native-born workers in the US is very small. However, not all economists agreed with this finding, and debates and disagreements continued. Despite these ongoing debates, the consensus report served as support for those with pre-existing views on immigration. Today, anti-immigration sentiments are prevalent in politics, and politicians continue to cite studies to justify their positions. The economic consensus on immigration's impact on the economy remains a contentious issue.

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      Power can have consequences, and in the context of the new season of Extremely American, it could potentially lead to fewer rights for individuals. Meanwhile, on a lighter note, when it comes to selecting a book for your summer read, NPR's Book of the Day podcast is an excellent resource. With a wealth of interviews from across the NPR network, you're sure to find the perfect book for your beach bag. So, whether you're concerned about power dynamics or just looking for a great summer read, tune in to Extremely American and NPR's Book of the Day podcast.

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