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    Do polluters pay, or do they get paid?

    en-usJune 27, 2024

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    • Aerial tramway emissions reductionThe $120M aerial tramway in Gaia Keel, Ecuador, saw daily ridership of only 8,000 people instead of projected 40,000, sparking debate over climate project funding in lower-income countries

      The expectation of significant emissions reduction through the construction of an aerial tramway in Gaia Keel, Ecuador, did not materialize as planned. The tramway, which cost nearly $120 million to build with a large portion borrowed from France, saw daily ridership of only around 8,000 people instead of the projected 40,000. This discrepancy has sparked debate over the funding of climate projects in lower-income countries, with some questioning the efficiency and impact of such investments. The debate was further highlighted during the first presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump in Atlanta. Meanwhile, the aerial tramway, which offers a relaxing experience for its low ridership, stands as a reminder of the importance of accurate projections and effective funding strategies in addressing climate change.

    • Climate financing and grants vs loansClimate financing in the era of climate change includes both grants and concessional loans, a shift from traditional loan structures, with grants offering no repayment requirements and concessional loans offering more favorable terms.

      When it comes to economic development in lower-income countries, funding can come in the form of grants or loans. Grants do not need to be repaid, while loans do, often with interest. Historically, critiques of loans include the strings attached to their use. However, lenders have acknowledged these concerns and improved. A current debate in the era of climate financing revolves around the Loss and Damage Fund, which was established in 2022 to compensate lower-income countries for climate-related damage. Unlike previous pledges, this fund offers grants or concessional loans, making it a significant shift from traditional loan structures. While both grants and loans involve money flowing from wealthy to less wealthy countries, the key difference lies in the repayment requirements and the more favorable terms of concessional loans. This new approach reflects ongoing efforts to address the unique challenges faced by developing countries in the context of climate change.

    • Misallocation of Climate FinanceWealthy nations are misappropriating climate finance meant for developing countries, leading to expensive projects and limited local expertise, while benefiting financially through market interest rates.

      Wealthy nations are finding ways to channel some of the $100 billion climate finance meant for developing countries back into their own economies. This happens through various means, such as requiring borrowers to hire or buy materials from companies based in the lending countries, leading to more expensive projects and limited local expertise. Additionally, some loans are issued at market interest rates instead of the lower concessional rates intended, resulting in substantial financial benefits for wealthy nations. For instance, France's loan to Ecuador for an aerial tramway saw a significant portion of the funds flow back to French companies, and the loan carried an interest rate of nearly 6%, much higher than the average concessional loan rate of less than 1%. These practices contradict the spirit of the pledge, according to various sources.

    • Market rate loans in climate financeMarket rate loans in climate finance pose ethical concerns and practical challenges for lower-income countries, particularly due to debt burdens and the principle of polluters paying. Grants are a preferred alternative.

      The use of market rate loans in climate finance raises ethical concerns and practical challenges, particularly for lower-income countries that have contributed least to greenhouse gas emissions but are disproportionately affected by climate change. These countries are borrowing money from wealthier, historically polluting nations, which contradicts the principle of polluters paying. Furthermore, many low-income countries already struggle with heavy debt burdens, and additional loan payments can divert resources away from climate priorities. Scholars like Rishi Bandopahyaday from Boston University argue that grants should be the primary means of climate finance, as they do not burden countries with debt. The international community could help by negotiating more favorable debt repayment terms, freeing up fiscal space for ambitious climate investments.

    • Debt, climate crisesCountries with debt distress may struggle to prioritize climate action due to financial constraints, making the interconnected debt and climate crises a significant topic at the upcoming climate conference.

      Many countries facing debt distress may not be as eager to increase their climate action ambitions, despite their desire to do so, due to the financial constraints. This issue is expected to be a significant topic during the upcoming climate conference in November in Azerbaijan. The interconnected debt and climate crises, as well as who will pay for addressing them, are anticipated to be major points of discussion. It's important to recognize how a country's fiscal situation can impact its ability to prioritize climate action. The NPR app offers a solution for staying informed without being overwhelmed, providing a mix of on-demand news, local stories, and podcasts, allowing you to engage mindfully with the world around you. For more insightful conversations about Latinx culture, music, and heritage, tune in to the All Latino Podcast from NPR.

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