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    Does Britain really regret Brexit? – Politics Weekly UK

    en-gbFebruary 02, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • The Personal and Economic Impact of BrexitThree years after the UK's exit from the EU, Brexit continues to shape people's lives significantly, with personal experiences and economic downturn being notable effects.

      While the UK officially left the European Union three years ago, the aftermath continues to shape people's lives significantly. During the discussion on The Guardian's Politics Weekly UK podcast, the hosts shared their personal experiences of learning about the Brexit vote results and how it affected them. Meanwhile, in the business world, Mint Mobile announced a price drop for its unlimited plan in response to inflation, a factor that has also contributed to the economic downturn in the UK post-Brexit. The conversation then turned to the latest polling on public attitudes towards Brexit, revealing a complex picture of support and dissatisfaction. The Guardian's Raphael Bair and Lisa O'Carroll also touched upon the potential for a Brexit reckoning as living standards continue to fall and the public mood shifts. Overall, the conversation highlighted the far-reaching impact of Brexit on various aspects of society.

    • Public opinion on Brexit is shifting, but emotional attachment to the vote remainsA majority of people in the UK now regret Brexit, but emotional attachment to the vote, driven by issues like immigration and economic control, persists for some.

      Public opinion towards Brexit is shifting, with a majority of people in the UK now regretting the decision to leave the EU according to a recent poll. However, the complexities behind support for Brexit were illustrated through conversations from Stoke on Trent in 2016, where people felt that nothing ever changed and that leaving the EU represented the only viable option for change. Despite this, some people who voted for Brexit in 2016 are now questioning their decision and expressing regret. This emotional attachment to the vote, driven by issues such as immigration and a desire for economic control, was a common theme in both the UK and other European countries. The political moment surrounding Brexit may not be entirely over, as some people continue to hold onto their beliefs and emotions attached to the vote.

    • The emotional and political implications of Brexit continue to resonatePeople regret Brexit but don't want to reopen the debate, politicians are reluctant to engage, and the public's focus has shifted to other issues.

      Brexit, though a contentious and divisive issue, has become a sealed-off topic for many people in the UK. While the technical process of leaving the European Union has been completed, the emotional and political implications continue to resonate. People's views on Brexit are complex, with some regretting their vote but not wanting to revisit the issue. The demographics of voters have shifted, and many now see Brexit as a mistake, but the idea of reopening the debate is met with apprehension. Politicians seem reluctant to engage with Brexit as an issue, and even those who advocated for it in the past, like Daniel Hanlon, warn against attempts to rejoin the EU. The public's focus has shifted to other pressing concerns, such as the cost of living crisis and the energy crisis. The paradox of Brexit is that, despite widespread recognition that it was a mistake, many people do not want to revisit the issue.

    • Keir Starmer's cautious approach to Brexit and UK economyStarmer avoids advocating for EU rejoin or single market to win votes, UK economy predicted to shrink, Brexit negatively impacts businesses causing labor shortages, supply chain disruptions, and high import costs, leaders downplay Brexit's role in economic struggles

      The political landscape in the UK, particularly regarding Brexit, is complex and divided. Keir Starmer's decision not to strongly advocate for rejoining the EU or promoting a single market position is a strategic move to avoid losing votes from Eurosceptics. The first-past-the-post voting system also necessitates Labour's coalition of support to be split between Leavers and Remainers. The UK economy's poor performance, as indicated by the IMF's prediction of being the only major economy to shrink in 2023, is significantly influenced by Brexit. Businesses, especially small ones, have been negatively impacted by Brexit, leading to challenges such as labor shortages, supply chain disruptions, and high import costs. Despite these challenges, political leaders often avoid directly acknowledging Brexit as a major contributing factor to the UK's economic struggles.

    • Brexit's Devastating Impact on SMEsBrexit caused up to 25% loss for some UK SMEs, complicated by new regs, red tape, pandemic, and Northern Ireland protocol. Political leadership needed to navigate challenges.

      The Brexit decision has had a devastating impact on small to medium-sized businesses in the UK, leading to a loss of up to 25% of their total business for some. These businesses, which lack the resilience of larger corporations, have faced significant challenges due to new regulations and red tape, particularly in areas like cross-border trade. The situation has been further complicated by the economic downturn caused by the pandemic and other factors. The Northern Ireland protocol, which aims to maintain a open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland while ensuring the UK's exit from the EU, remains a contentious issue. Despite recent reports of a potential deal, significant challenges remain, including the lack of support from unionists and the complexities of customs and physical checks. The situation underscores the need for courageous and visionary political leadership on both sides of the Atlantic to navigate these challenges and find a way forward. In the meantime, businesses continue to struggle, and the human toll of these challenges cannot be ignored.

    • Brexit could lead to positive outcomes if the right politicians are in charge, according to Larry ElliottLarry Elliott believes Brexit could lead to positive change despite economic challenges, while the IMF predicts the UK will be the only major economy to shrink in 2023, and Ryan Reynolds dropped Mint Mobile's unlimited plan price to $15 a month.

      Despite the economic challenges faced by the UK since Brexit, Larry Elliott, who supported Brexit due to his desire for fundamental economic change, still believes that Brexit could potentially lead to positive outcomes if the right politicians are in charge. He argues that the EU is not an ideal model for the UK and that change could have been harder to implement within the EU's framework. Meanwhile, Ryan Reynolds announced a significant price drop for Mint Mobile's unlimited plan, from $30 to $15 a month. The IMF predicted that the UK would be the only major economy to shrink in 2023, leading to a discussion about the potential impact of Brexit on the UK economy.

    • Brexit's Impact on Businesses and the EconomyBrexit led to complex trading arrangements, some companies no longer trading with EU, exports to EU recovered but with costs, economy adjusted, and labor gained slight power.

      The economic implications of Brexit, particularly the decision to leave the single market and customs union, have led to complex trading arrangements for businesses and have resulted in some companies no longer trading with the EU, which represented a significant portion of their business. While exports to the EU have recovered to pre-Brexit levels, there have been transitional costs and individual cases of companies struggling with red tape. However, the economy has adjusted reasonably well, and the balance of power in the workforce has shifted slightly in favor of labor. As for the Labour Party's vision for Brexit, it remains unclear if they will advocate for rejoining the single market and customs union, but it's important to recognize that Brexit has handed some power back to wage bargainers and labor.

    • Labour's Approach to Brexit in Power UnclearDespite pledging to make Brexit work, Labour's specific actions if in power uncertain, leaving open potential for future negotiations and changes to UK-EU relationship.

      The Labour Party's approach to Brexit, if they come to power, remains uncertain. Keir Starmer has pledged to make Brexit work and deliver change, but the party is expected to keep the issue vague in political debates due to electoral reasons. However, during a Labour term, several aspects of the UK's trade and cooperation relationship with the EU will need renegotiation. Starmer's vague and noncommittal rhetoric leaves open questions about what specific actions the Labour government might take. Some optimistic observers, like Larry, hope for a new deal for the north, support for green industries, and a commitment to leveling up the regions. However, it remains unclear how the Labour Party would address the issues that led to Brexit in the first place, or whether they would consider rejoining the EU. The rejoiner or remainder wings face challenges in making political purchase on the debate, as both major parties are committed to Brexit. Ultimately, the Labour Party's approach to Brexit in power is uncertain, leaving open the possibility of future negotiations and potential changes to the UK's relationship with the EU.

    • The UK's economic recovery and public services hinge on reactivating trade with EuropeThe UK's economic recovery and public services improvement depend on resuming trade with Europe, but rejoining the EU isn't a simple solution, and focusing on making the best of the current situation might be more beneficial.

      The UK's economic recovery and improvement of public services depend on reactivating trade with Europe. The loss of £40 billion in tax revenue due to Brexit underscores the importance of this issue. However, rejoining the EU is not a simple solution, as it requires the EU's willingness to accept the UK back. The moment for rejoining has passed, and it may be more beneficial for the UK to focus on making the best of its current situation. The first step towards a rational conversation about Europe and Brexit is to weaken the influence of ultra-Brexiteer voices. The upcoming Labour Party election win could help achieve this, as it may lead to a more reasonable conversation about Europe and Brexit. Additionally, the left-wing argument for Brexit is being strengthened due to the Tories' mismanagement of the country. After the next election, the ERG people will be a small part of a defeated party, making them an opposition rather than a significant force.

    • The Conservative Party's Populist Turn and What it Means for the UKThe Conservative Party in the UK is adopting populist policies similar to the Trumpian Republicans, but the parliamentary system and election distribution limit their power for a return in four years. Instead, we could see a new political landscape emerge.

      The Conservative Party in the UK is showing similarities to the Trumpian Republican party in the US, embracing populist unreality instead of adapting to reality. However, due to the parliamentary system and the way elections are distributed through first past the post, the threat of Boris Johnson returning as prime minister in four years is minimal. Instead, we could be looking at an interesting and different political landscape soon. Overall, the discussion ended on a cautiously optimistic note. It's important to remember that the Conservative Party's actions could lead to significant changes in the political landscape, and it will be interesting to see how things unfold. Additionally, the podcast was produced by Frankie Toby, with music by Axel Cacutier, and executive producers Maz Eptahaj and Nicole Jackson. Lastly, Quince was promoted as a brand offering high-quality travel essentials at affordable prices, with a commitment to ethical manufacturing practices. Lexus was also featured, promoting their new GX model, which offers exceptional capability and luxurious features, inspiring individuals to do exceptional things.

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