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    E71: Jack Maynard: The Untold Story: How Being Thrown Out The Jungle Changed My Life Forever

    enMarch 08, 2021

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    • The Human Impact of Cancel CultureCancel culture can cause long-term mental health issues such as PTSD, anxiety, and depression for individuals.

      The impact of cancel culture can be deeply damaging to individuals, leading to mental health issues such as PTSD, anxiety, and depression. Jack Maynard, a British media personality, shared his personal experience of being caught up in a cancel culture moment, which left him feeling like a "shell of his former self." He described the symptoms he still experiences today, including a high chance of not making it to this podcast due to those symptoms. Mayn't was speaking to Stephen Bartlett on The Diver CEO podcast. Maynard's professional endeavors are diverse, and he identifies as a YouTube creator, but he finds it challenging to define himself due to the stigma surrounding YouTube as a job. He shared that he had wanted to move towards bigger productions and collaborations with celebrities but was derailed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Despite this, he emphasized that he enjoys making YouTube videos the most when he enjoys the process. The conversation highlighted the human side of cancel culture and the long-lasting effects it can have on individuals.

    • The Reality of Being a YouTuber: Pressure, Instability, and Mental HealthBecoming a successful YouTuber involves dealing with constant pressure to adapt, uncertain income, mental health challenges, and the fear of losing audience support.

      Being a YouTuber may seem glamorous and easy to young aspiring creators, but it comes with numerous challenges and uncertainties. Many people believe YouTubers just sit around making silly videos, but the reality is much more complex. Creators face constant pressure to adapt to changing algorithms, uncertain income, and the fear of losing their audience's support. These factors can lead to mental health issues, as creators struggle to cope with the instability of their careers. Furthermore, the public spotlight and fame can make it challenging for creators to transition back to normal life if their channel fails to perform. Despite these challenges, some creators thrive on the excitement and constant evolution of the platform. Overall, becoming a successful YouTuber requires dedication, resilience, and adaptability.

    • Brother's fame inspires growth on YouTubeLeveraging family connections and collaboration led to YouTube success, opening doors to TV opportunities

      The speaker's younger brother's fame didn't lead to jealousy, but rather inspiration and opportunity. The speaker moved in with his brother in London and made a deal to create and upload a YouTube video every week. This arrangement proved to be beneficial, as the speaker's YouTube channel took off, and he was able to make a significant income. The speaker's brother, who was already well-connected in the YouTube community, introduced him to other successful YouTubers, leading to collaborations and further growth. Eventually, the speaker's goal shifted from being another successful YouTuber to breaking new ground in TV and YouTube. Receiving a call for his first mainstream TV appearance was a significant moment of validation and accomplishment.

    • Unexpected opportunities can lead to great rewardsBelieve in yourself, take risks, and be open to unexpected opportunities for potential great rewards

      Sometimes unexpected opportunities can arise, even if you don't initially think you have a chance. In this case, an individual went to a meeting for a popular TV show not expecting much, but left feeling on fire and surprised when they were called back for a second meeting and eventually cast on the show. Despite being scared and unprepared, they ultimately embraced the opportunity. It's important to remember that even the biggest shows can seem small at first, and taking risks can lead to great rewards. Additionally, having a strong self-belief and being true to oneself, even if that means not watching the show before being cast, can help in the long run.

    • Finding comfort and connection through social media during isolationEngaging with social media during challenging times can provide comfort, entertainment, and a sense of connection, helping individuals cope with isolation and boosting their confidence. Authenticity and a lighthearted attitude can lead to strong bonds with others and the potential to influence reality TV.

      The individual in this discussion found comfort and entertainment during a challenging time by engaging with social media, even while in a locked-down situation. This connection to the outside world helped him cope with his isolation and boosted his confidence, leading him to realize the scale of his influence and the potential impact of his presence on reality TV. He approached the experience with authenticity and a lighthearted attitude, forming a strong bond with another contestant who shared similar strategies. Despite initial uncertainty about his celebrity status, he embraced the attention and used it to fuel his determination to succeed in the competition.

    • Reality TV: Keeping Contestants in the DarkReality TV production can cause distress and confusion for contestants when they're kept in the dark about significant events, potentially leaving them feeling isolated and frustrated.

      The production of reality TV shows can involve keeping contestants in the dark about significant events happening outside, causing distress and confusion when they are finally revealed. The speaker in this conversation shared an experience of being taken out of the show without explanation, only to find out later that controversial tweets from his past had resurfaced and sparked media attention. Despite being unaware of the situation, the entire industry and his personal network knew about it, leaving him feeling isolated and frustrated. This incident underscores the power dynamics in reality TV and the potential consequences for contestants when they are kept in the dark.

    • Regretting past mistakes and their consequencesAddressing past mistakes promptly can minimize damage to reputation, even if it means facing consequences.

      The speaker regrets not addressing past mistakes publicly and promptly, which led to negative consequences. During his early career, he made careless comments that went viral and caused controversy. Despite knowing that he needed to address the situation, he hesitated and eventually left the show without addressing the issue. This decision led to increased drama and negative publicity. The speaker wishes he had addressed the situation sooner, even if it meant facing the consequences, as it could have minimized the damage to his reputation. Additionally, the speaker's brother advised him to check social media and confront the situation head-on, but he was initially hesitant due to fear. Ultimately, the speaker's past mistakes became a significant obstacle to his career and personal growth.

    • The long-term impact of public humiliation on mental healthPublic humiliation can lead to anxiety, depression, and PTSD, affecting an individual's career and personal life for a long time. It's crucial to recognize and address mental health issues promptly.

      Public humiliation can have long-lasting effects on an individual's mental health. The speaker in this conversation experienced a significant backlash online after a past event, leading them to feel like their career was over and their mental health was in shambles. Despite the overwhelming support from celebrities and the public, the speaker felt anxious, depressed, and lacked motivation. They didn't recognize the signs of PTSD and kept it to themselves, making the situation worse. It took a year or more for the speaker to acknowledge and address their mental health, which had a major impact on their work and personal life. This experience taught the speaker valuable lessons about what is and isn't acceptable, how to deal with difficult situations, and the importance of facing and addressing mental health issues.

    • Sharing mental health struggles with trusted friends and familyOpening up about mental health struggles with loved ones can lead to relief, understanding, and acceptance. It's important to let others in and allow them to share their experiences as well.

      Acknowledging and discussing mental health struggles with trusted friends and family members can provide a significant sense of relief and understanding. The speaker shares her experience of dealing with anxiety and depression, which went unnoticed by others due to her past behavior of leaving events early or making up excuses. When her friends noticed her change in behavior and confronted her, she opened up about her struggles, and they shared their own experiences, helping her understand and accept her condition. This conversation led to a profound sense of relief and acceptance, which helped her cope with her mental health issues more effectively. Despite the initial fear and apprehension, participating in a challenging TV show (SAS: Who Dares Wins) also provided an opportunity for personal growth and resilience.

    • Misinterpreting Anxiety as PTSDAnxiety can cause physical symptoms and intense feelings, leading some to believe they have PTSD, but it's a natural survival response that can be managed with understanding and coping strategies.

      The speaker's anxiety and panic during a major career opportunity led her to believe she had PTSD. She felt physically ill and wanted to leave situations that triggered her anxiety. A therapist explained that her body was reacting to anxiety as if she were in danger, even when there was none. This response is a natural survival mechanism, but can be debilitating when the perceived danger is not real. The speaker found understanding and relief in the book "The Idiot Brain," which explained the science behind the body's anxiety response and helped her recognize that her experiences were valid.

    • Mental health issues are responses to modern life and traumaModern life's lack of social connections and stimulation contributes to mental health issues, which are adaptations to stress and fear from our evolutionary past.

      Mental health issues, such as anxiety and depression, are not a result of something broken within us, but rather a response to traumas and the modern world that isolates us from meaningful connections. The human body's reactions to stress and fear are not malfunctions, but rather adaptations from our evolutionary past. The rise in mental health disorders can be attributed to the lack of social connections, companionship, and stimulation in our modern lives. Therapy can be an empowering way to address these issues by acknowledging the root causes and providing tools to cope and heal. The speaker's personal experience of feeling anxious and unable to eat during stressful situations is a common response to perceived threats, and therapy helped them understand and manage these reactions.

    • Personal experience with anxiety and coping mechanismsRecognizing anxiety, using distraction, and seeking empathy and support can help manage anxiety and lead to personal growth.

      Understanding and acknowledging anxiety is the first step to managing it. The speaker shared his personal experience with anxiety, how it held him back in the past, and how participating in a challenging reality show helped him learn to cope with it. He discovered that distraction, such as using TikTok or YouTube, can be effective in managing anxiety during stressful situations. The speaker also emphasized the importance of empathy and support from others when dealing with anxiety. He acknowledged that anxiety may not completely go away but learning ways to deal with it can lead to personal growth and resilience.

    • Breaking down tasks into smaller stepsTaking things one step at a time can help overcome fear and achieve goals, making seemingly insurmountable tasks feel more manageable

      Breaking down large tasks into smaller, manageable steps can help overcome fear and achieve goals. During the filming of a reality show, the speaker faced a significant mental and physical challenge. Despite her initial reluctance, she was encouraged by supportive producers and a therapist to take things one step at a time. This advice proved invaluable, helping her complete the tasks and experience feelings of accomplishment. This approach can be applied to various aspects of life, whether striving for greatness or overcoming fear. The power of simple, reassuring words and taking things one step at a time can make seemingly insurmountable tasks feel more achievable.

    • Navigating Life's Challenges: Perseverance and AdaptabilityPersevering through challenging experiences can lead to unexpected growth and improvement in physical and mental health. Comfort and routine help maintain good mental health during uncertain times, and unexpected joy can come from adapting to new situations.

      Pushing through challenging experiences, even when you feel like giving up, can lead to unexpected growth and improvement in both physical and mental health. The speaker shared how completing a grueling endurance event, despite feeling exhausted and uncertain, left her feeling proud and accomplished. She also emphasized the importance of comfort and routine during uncertain times, such as lockdowns, in maintaining good mental health. Additionally, she shared how a lockdown relationship, though not without its challenges, had brought unexpected joy and companionship to her life. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of perseverance and adaptability in navigating life's ups and downs.

    • The Importance of Balancing Career and RelationshipsPrioritizing career goals can hinder dating and relationships. Having a partner brings happiness and comfort, but self-imposed pressure to control everything can lead to regret for not pursuing relationships earlier.

      Focusing solely on career goals can make it difficult to prioritize dating and relationships. The speaker shares her experience of being so engrossed in her YouTube career that she didn't put much effort into dating. However, she now recognizes the benefits of having a partner, such as feeling happier and more comfortable in various situations. The speaker also acknowledges the self-imposed pressure of being in control of everything in her life and the need to take a break occasionally. Ultimately, she expresses a sense of regret for not pursuing relationships earlier but also appreciation for the opportunities her career has brought her.

    • Recognizing the importance of growth and expansionThe interviewee values her experiences, including the difficult ones, and aspires to continue growing and expanding her business ventures to become a successful entrepreneur.

      The interviewee, despite feeling proud of her accomplishments at a young age, recognizes the importance of continuing to grow and build on her experiences. She aspires to expand her business ventures and aims to become a successful entrepreneur. The interviewee values her experiences, even the difficult ones, as they have shaped her into the person she is today. Her honesty and willingness to share her journey, including her mental health struggles, have helped and inspired others. The interview serves as a reminder that our past experiences, no matter how challenging, hold value and can lead us to future successes.

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    This is Your Anxiety Toolkit episode number 180.

    Welcome to Your Anxiety Toolkit. I'm your host, Kimberley Quinlan. This podcast is fueled by three main goals. The first goal is to provide you with some extra tools to help you manage your anxiety. Second goal, to inspire you. Anxiety doesn't get to decide how you live your life. And number three, and I leave the best for last, is to provide you with one big fat virtual hug, because experiencing anxiety ain't easy. If that sounds good to you, let's go.

    Welcome back, everybody. Hello. Thank you for being here with me. We have a lot to tackle in this episode, so I am going to jump in as quick as I can. I know this is such a huge concept and topic, and there's so much confusion around it. So let's really today talk about the difference between an intrusive thought and a mental compulsion. We also want to figure out which ones we want to work with and which ones we want to allow. We want to talk about the difference between allowing a thought and engaging in a thought. There's so much to cover here. So before we get started, a couple of really exciting things, I really want you to keep an eye out for. On March 15, 2021, we are relaunching the free OCD training. It's called the 10 Things You Absolutely Need to Know About OCD.

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    I am so excited to share that with you. Now, one more thing, keep an eye out, because as of March 19th, we are relaunching ERP School with some exciting bonuses, which I will announce in next week's episode. So excited again to share this with you. And what an amazing community, what an amazing opportunity I've had to teach so many people about ERP. And now also teaching therapists. We have now got ERP School approved by The National Association of Social Workers. So if therapists out there, you can actually get CEUs for taking ERP School, which is very, very cool. All right, let's get straight to the show. Let's talk about the difference between an intrusive thought and a mental compulsion first. So the first important piece to remember here, as we pull apart what to do with what thoughts, because that's really what this is about.

    We must first understand the foundation of OCD. So OCD starts with an obsession. This is an intrusive, repetitive, unwanted thought, feeling, sensation or urge. It's not just a thought. It could be a sensation. It could be a feeling like de-realization or guilt. It could be a sensation like a feeling in your left finger or feeling in your nose or whatever that may be, everybody's different. But it does start with this intrusive thought. And the thing you must remember here is you cannot control this. This is the first experience of OCD, right? You have the intrusive thought, feeling, sensation or urge, and this is the thing you can't control. So there's a really big point right off the bat. The second piece here is once you've had that intrusive thought, feeling, sensation and urge, you usually feel anxious and uncomfortable and it's unwanted. And so your natural instinct is to do something to remove it.

    You'll do it to remove the physical discomfort, the emotional discomfort, the uncertainty that you feel. And that is what we call a compulsion. Now, as many of you know, we know the kind of more mainstream compulsions that are known in our society. Hand-washing, jumping over cracks, moving objects and so forth. But one of the most common compulsions is mental. It's thinking. It's rumination. And that's the thing that's really hard to catch. And that's why I'm doing this episode because so many people have asked, how do I differentiate between that intrusive thought and a mental compulsion? And what do I do? Like I said at the beginning, I'm not supposed to block thoughts, but I'm not supposed to do mental compulsions. And that's thinking too, and what this does, right? So let's go back to the cycle. You have a thought, feeling, sensation and urge.

    It makes you uncomfortable. Then you do a compulsion to make it go away. And usually you do get some form of relief. But the problem with this is that then it reinforces that that thought was important. Therefore, your brain continues to send out the fire alarm, the safety alarm, the smoke detector, it sets off all of those alarms in your brain and then sends out more anxiety with more of that thought, feeling, sensation and urge. So let's go back to the main concept. You're not to try and suppress your thoughts because the more that you suppress your intrusive thoughts, the more you have them. I've done full episodes about this in the past. So if you want to go back and listen, suppressing your thoughts will only make them worse. But here is where it gets tricky. People will say again, "If I'm not supposed to suppress my thoughts, what am I supposed to do if I catch myself doing mental compulsions? Is stopping mental compulsion's thought suppression?"

    And this is where I would say, technically, no. But it depends. So what we want to do, let's go straight to the solution. We want to acknowledge that we're having an intrusive thought, feeling, sensation or urge or an image, right? It could be an image too. And then our job is to do nothing about it. To do our best not to solve that uncertainty or remove ourselves from that discomfort. That's our goal. And then our job is to reintegrate ourselves back into a behavior that we were doing, or we would be doing, had we not had this thought. So let's say I'm typing. I have an intrusive thought about whether I'm going to harm my child, or I have an intrusive thought about whether I cheated on my partner, or I had an intrusive thought on whether I'm gay or straight, or I had an intrusive thought about harming somebody, or a religious obsession, or a sensation, or a health anxiety sensation.

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