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    EP 182: Carlos Tkacz & Steph Letourneau — Lessons From 7 Trips to Rocklands, Being Good at Being Consistent, and Writing Novels

    enAugust 21, 2023
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    About this Episode

    Carlos Tkacz returns and is joined by his partner Steph Letourneau for a sitdown here in Rocklands. We talked about their diet habits, lessons from their 7 trips to Rocklands, learning to try harder, comparison games, respecting the difficulty of climbing, being good at being consistent, balancing your carbon footprint, making the most of a climbing trip to South Africa, writing novels, and much more!

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    0:03:36 – Breakfast and food habits

    0:06:24 – Trading climbing days with your partner

    0:08:48 – Resting more to climb harder

    0:11:01 – 7 trips to Rocklands apiece, and how to make long flights better

    0:13:12 – Teaching and going back to school

    0:19:01 – Why Carlos and Steph keep coming back to Rocklands year after year

    0:21:23 – Steph’s experience on her first trip to Rocklands, and why both of them prefer bouldering to trad climbing

    0:28:01 – Describing Rocklands’ style, Carlos’ first 8B ‘Monkey Business', and learning to try harder

    0:33:10 – Steph’s lesson in trying hard, practicing her yell in the car, and getting hyped on Adele

    0:37:21 – Carlos' experience watching a guy yell in Thailand, Coach Carlos, and asking if people want feedback

    0:39:50 – Steph’s send of ‘Ghost in the Darkness’ 7C/+, and trying ‘Caroline’ 7C+

    0:43:02 – Carlos’ tick list from the trip, sending ‘Airstar’ 8B, and reconnecting with the joy of climbing

    0:46:16 – What helped Carlos change his mindset, and sending ‘Into the Void’ 8B

    0:50:01 – Sending ‘Airstar’, and drawing inspiration from “the kids”

    0:52:36 – Favorite Rocklands films

    0:57:21 – Struggling with comparison games, respecting the difficulty of climbing, and doing your best

    1:07:35 – Climbing is centralizing, and mental energy as a finite resource

    1:09:42 – Unpacking my feelings about not progressing quickly enough, and our American obsession with speed

    1:12:21 – Being good at being consistent

    1:14:12 – Dopamine hits vs. building relationships with climbs

    1:19:22 – Growing as a climber in Rocklands, and the stories we tell ourselves

    1:22:13 – My shift in mindset in Rocklands, and redefining a lifetime worth of climbing

    1:24:47 – Steph talks about how every season in Rocklands is a completely different experience

    1:27:02 – Getting the most out of the experience in South Africa, and learning about the place and its history and politics

    1:35:27 – Taking breaks from climbing to have other experiences

    1:41:53 – Planning the whole year around their Rocklands trips, and doing two 12-week training blocks

    1:45:47 – Teaching

    1:55:41 – Flying, carbon footprint, and how our brains make shortcuts

    2:06:29 – Being a park person, and how we’ve impacted nature

    2:09:26 – Steph’s thoughts on climate from a physics perspective, and trying to be carbon neutral on balance

    2:16:59 – Offsetting CO2 emissions

    2:20:44 – How they fit their 12-week training blocks into a school semester

    2:23:27 – The Training Trip, and building a community in Vegas

    2:28:59 – Nesting and baby fever

    2:33:04 – Training Weight, and the commitment to family

    2:36:16 – Carlos’ new book list

    2:40:31 – Speculative fiction

    2:42:09 – Carlos’ latest book projects, and Steph’s first novel

    2:45:59 – Carlos’ horror film

    2:48:19 – Steph’s new book project, and where to find her first book

    2:49:54 – Publishing a book

    2:53:04 – The feedback Steph got from her publisher

    2:54:58 – The Day You Became A Better Writer by Scott Adams

    2:56:23 – Having a family, ‘Sky’ as the final boss of the 8Bs, and making the horror movie

    2:58:24 – Enjoying the process

    2:59:40 – What’s next?

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    (01:47:57) – Training on the same routes for 3 years, and motivation vs. fancy facilities

    (01:53:01) – Anak’s strategy for onsighting comp routes

    (01:57:11) – Making up rules at the gym

    (02:01:36) – How Anak built her endurance

    (02:07:15) – Mental endurance

    (02:11:27) – 9b and trad climbing goals for 2024

    (02:14:43) – Why she is open about her faith

    (02:22:33) – How do climbers react to her faith?

    (02:29:46) – The pressure I felt as a kid to spread faith, and moving away from religion

    (02:33:09) – How Anak thinks about sharing her faith, and her lack of judgment toward other people

    (02:34:57) – Choosing her faith for herself

    (02:37:57) – Wrap up and EXTRA teaser!

    EP 203: Jakob Schubert — World Champion to 9c and 9A, Adam Ondra’s Risky and Efficient Style, and Failing on ‘Sleepwalker’

    EP 203: Jakob Schubert — World Champion to 9c and 9A, Adam Ondra’s Risky and Efficient Style, and Failing on ‘Sleepwalker’

    Jakob Schubert is one of the greatest competition climbers ever. In 2023 he won the World Championships in both lead and combined, secured his ticket to the Paris Olympics, sent his first 9c with his FA of ‘B.I.G.’, and sent his hardest boulder with ‘Alphane’ 9A. We talked about his incredible year, learning from Adam Ondra’s risky and efficient climbing style, what he learned from failing on ‘Sleepwalker’ V16, plans for more 9c’s, and much more!

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    Show Notes:  

    thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/jakob-schubert

    Nuggets:

    (00:00:00) – Intro

    (00:03:44) – Jakob’s best year ever

    (00:08:49) – Securing his ticket to Paris, and focusing on B.I.G.

    (00:10:40) – Inspiration for rock climbing

    (00:13:20) – Learning about efficiency from outdoor projects

    (00:16:28) – Less emphasis on winning the overall World Cup

    (00:18:55) – Giving away his trophies

    (00:20:08) – Why did Jakob choose ‘B.I.G.’ 9c and A’lphane’ 9A as projects?

    (00:24:16) – Teaming up with Adam Ondra and Stefano Ghisolfi

    (00:26:48) – Learning from Adam’s risky and efficient climbing style

    (00:36:13) – The quality of ‘B.I.G.’

    (00:38:13) – Breakdown and logistics of ‘B.I.G.’

    (00:43:46) – Breaking a hold on his send go of ‘B.I.G.’

    (00:45:29) – Did live streaming change the experience?

    (00:48:22) – Will Jakob do more live streams in the future?

    (00:50:26) – His project schedule on ‘B.I.G.’

    (00:53:45) – Logistics of traveling to Flatanger

    (00:56:26) – Is ‘B.I.G.’ the best hard route in the world?

    (00:59:36) – Plans to return to ‘DNA’ 9c

    (01:00:00) – What does ‘B.I.G.’ stand for?

    (01:01:45) – How Jakob prepared for ‘B.I.G.’, and revisiting the route with fresh eyes

    (01:09:16) – Tweaking beta to send ‘B.I.G.’

    (01:11:48) – Muscle memory, connecting hard moves, and repeating boulders with different beta

    (01:14:48) – “Waking up” his fingers for ‘Alphane’

    (01:17:14) – Analyzing videos of ‘Alphane’

    (01:18:28) – Speed training

    (01:20:02) – Recovery

    (01:21:09) – Failing on ‘Sleepwalker’ V16 (8C+) and what he learned from it

    (01:25:48) – Greedy

    (01:27:47) – What he plans to do differently for ‘Sleepwalker’ when he goes back

    (01:29:30) – Drew Ruana’s story about Jakob, and who Jakob has been the most impressed by

    (01:35:27) – Wrap up and EXTRA teaser!

    SEND ALERT: Jon Cardwell — Establishing ‘Wind Up Bird’ 5.15b, and Uphill Athlete Training

    SEND ALERT: Jon Cardwell — Establishing ‘Wind Up Bird’ 5.15b, and Uphill Athlete Training

    Jon Cardwell is back on to talk about his new route ‘Wind Up Bird’ 5.15b at The Fortress of Solitude in CO, how moving away helped him send, what he learned from failing on ‘Super Crackinette’ in France, how he applied Uphill Athlete principles to his training for sport climbing, plans to go back for the extension, bolting 5.15 projects in New Mexico, and much more!

    Jon’s Original Episode:

    EP 50: Jon Cardwell

    References:

    Adam Ondra flashing ‘Super Crackinette’ 9a+

    EP 169: Scott Johnston

    Training for the Uphill Athlete (book)

    Nuggets:

    (00:00:00) – Sending ‘Wind Up Bird’ 5.15b (9b)

    (00:17:40) – How moving away helped him find success

    (00:22:21) – Failing to climb ‘Super Crackinette’ 5.15a (9a+), and what he learned from it

    (00:27:29) – Adam Ondra’s flash of ‘Super Crackinette’

    (00:30:00) – Drawing inspiration from Scott Johnston,  and training for ‘Wind Up Bird’

    (00:35:53) – Constantly learning

    (00:40:42) – More about his training

    (00:45:45) – Falling 50+ times on the same move, and building momentum

    (00:47:35) – Taking your foot off the gas, maintaining strength, and training plans for the extension

    (00:54:20) – Exhaustion and motivation

    (00:56:51) – The complexity of sport climbing

    (00:58:42) – Is V16 a goal for Jon?

    (01:01:23) – New 5.15 projects at The Tunnel in NM

    (01:03:00) – Is anyone trying ‘Wind Up Bird’?

    (01:05:21) – Will the extension be 5.15c (9b+)?

    (01:07:12) – Wrap up