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    Ep. 514 - Was America Built On "Stolen Land"? It's Not Nearly That Simple

    enJuly 06, 2020

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    • Historical Complexities of Mount Rushmore and Public SpacesThe debate over removing symbols like Mount Rushmore requires understanding complex historical contexts, including treaties and stolen land, and considering their relevance in today's society.

      The ongoing debate surrounding the removal of symbols like Mount Rushmore from public spaces due to their historical connections to Native American land is not as straightforward as it seems. While some argue that these structures were built on stolen land, others point out that much of the land was acquired through treaties. This complex history was discussed on The Matt Walsh Show, which also touched on the recent violence in cities and the state of public education. The show questioned the relevance of Black Lives Matter in addressing urban unrest and criticized the chaos at a New York education council meeting. Ultimately, the show raised the question of whether it's worth sending children to public schools given the current state of affairs. Regarding Mount Rushmore, the show suggested humorous solutions like covering the faces with oversized gag glasses, but acknowledged the deeper historical issues at play. The discussion underscored the importance of considering the full context of our historical past and present challenges as we navigate the ongoing debates and controversies in our society.

    • Recognizing the nuance in historical eventsAvoid oversimplifying historical events and be specific about which tribes and lands were involved to promote accurate understanding and social justice.

      It's important to recognize the complexity and nuance in historical events, rather than oversimplifying them into broad, homogeneous categories. In the discussion about Tammy Duckworth's statement regarding the land being stolen from Native Americans, it's crucial to acknowledge that not all Native American tribes are the same and that specific historical contexts matter. For instance, the claim that white settlers stole land from "Native Americans" generally is an oversimplification. Instead, it's essential to be specific about which tribes and which lands were involved. This distinction is particularly important because those advocating for social justice often emphasize the importance of acknowledging differences between various groups. However, in this context, they seem to be ignoring these distinctions themselves. Additionally, the discussion highlighted the importance of getting accurate historical information from reliable sources. In summary, it's crucial to approach historical events with nuance and accuracy, rather than oversimplifying them. As a side note, the sponsor message about Helix Sleep and their mattresses was included in the discussion. It's important to remember that this message was not part of the key takeaway but rather an advertisement.

    • Conflicts among Indigenous Tribes in the Black Hills for Thousands of YearsThe violent history of land ownership and conflict in the Black Hills predates European settlers, with indigenous tribes engaging in brutal methods for centuries.

      The Black Hills region in North America has been the site of intense conflict among various indigenous tribes for thousands of years, long before European settlers arrived. These conflicts often involved brutal methods such as murder, pillage, torture, and scalping. When the Lakota tribe eventually gained control of the region in the 18th century, they had displaced other tribes who had previously taken the land from their original occupants. European settlers, therefore, were not introducing a new concept of land conquest when they arrived, but rather continued a long-standing practice. It is essential to acknowledge this historical context to understand the complexities of land ownership and conflict in the region. The notion that European settlers introduced unique evils, such as land theft and barbarism, is an oversimplification that overlooks the violent history of indigenous tribes.

    • Recognizing the complexities of historical contextUnderstanding the violent nature of empires and the harsh realities of conquest and settlement in historical context doesn't excuse European settlers' atrocities, but provides balance and context for Native American-European interactions.

      Understanding historical context is crucial when discussing the complex and often violent interactions between European settlers and Native American tribes in North America. The speaker emphasizes that acknowledging the brutal and warlike nature of many Native American tribes does not excuse the atrocities committed by European settlers, but rather provides a balanced perspective. This context includes the violent nature of empires and the harsh realities of conquest and settlement, which were common practices across the world during that time. It's important to remember that the world was being tamed and settled by harsh and violent men, and empires were built through conquest and violence. We should be thankful for the relative safety and comfort we have today, and continue to confront the historical sins of the past while recognizing the complexities of the historical context.

    • Understanding historical context is key to assessing moral responsibilityAcknowledge historical realities, but also consider context for fair and accurate moral assessments. Misconstrued facts can lead to harmful misconceptions.

      Understanding historical context is crucial when assessing the moral culpability of people and actions from the past. The speaker emphasizes that while objective moral truths remain constant, the assessment of moral responsibility requires an awareness of the historical circumstances that shaped people's actions. The speaker also points out that the misconstruing of historical facts can lead to harmful misconceptions and a distorted view of history. It's essential to acknowledge the brutal realities of history, but also to recognize that historical context is necessary for a fair and accurate understanding of past events.

    • Celebrating Moments with Custom Portraits vs. Addressing Tragic MomentsCustom portraits can capture cherished moments, but addressing tragic moments requires collective action and prioritization.

      There are various ways to celebrate the moments that matter most in life, such as commissioning a hand-painted portrait from Paint Your Life. This service offers a user-friendly platform to work with world-class artists to create a custom piece from any photo, with a quick and affordable process and a money-back guarantee. However, it's important to remember that not all moments are celebratory. The recent July 4th weekend saw the tragic deaths of several black children and adults due to gun violence. While there have been protests and calls for justice in some cases, the Black Lives Matter organization has remained largely silent on these incidents. The question arises, which moments deserve our attention and action? The loss of any life is a tragedy, and it's crucial to consider where our efforts can make the most significant impact.

    • Addressing the Complexity of Black Lives MatterBlack Lives Matter is crucial for defending black lives, but its effectiveness is hindered when it focuses solely on police brutality and ignores violence within urban communities. A nuanced understanding and commitment to promoting the value and safety of all lives is necessary.

      The issue of black lives being devalued and lost, particularly in urban communities, is a complex and multifaceted problem. While there is a valid concern regarding police brutality, it is important to acknowledge that a significant amount of violence and dehumanization occurs within these communities. Organizations like Black Lives Matter, which aim to defend the inherent value of black life, have a crucial role in addressing this issue. However, their effectiveness is questioned when they focus solely on police brutality and ignore the violence within their own communities. Additionally, there are instances of misguided actions and beliefs, such as the controversy over a white man allowing a black child to sit on his lap, which can hinder progress and perpetuate divisiveness. It is essential to approach these issues with a nuanced understanding and a commitment to promoting the value and safety of all lives.

    • Education and societal values under scrutinyThe speaker advocates for homeschooling, expresses concern over societal values in public schools, and criticizes the prioritization of human life over property or symbols, using examples of beekeeping and conflicting responses to destruction of statues.

      The speaker is deeply concerned about the state of education and societal values, particularly in relation to public schools and the treatment of important issues like racial sensitivity and animal welfare. He strongly advocates for homeschooling and believes that the public school system is descending into insanity. He also criticizes the trivialization of important issues and the prioritization of human life over property or symbols. The speaker's passion for beekeeping led him to express outrage over a viral maternity photo that objectified bees. He also criticized the differing responses to the destruction of a Columbus statue in Baltimore and the painting over of a BLM mural in California. The speaker believes that the current state of affairs sends conflicting messages and undermines important values.

    • Painting over Black Lives Matter mural causes distress and divisionHate and intolerance, whether through defacing public art or historical landmarks, can cause distress and division in communities. Promote understanding, respect, and unity instead.

      Hatred and intolerance, no matter the form it takes, can be hurtful and divisive to communities. In the discussed incident, two individuals painted over a Black Lives Matter mural, causing distress and upset in the local community. This act was met with strong condemnation from many, including the police department. Meanwhile, some individuals took to social media to express their disapproval, drawing comparisons to the destruction of historical statues. It's important to remember that the time and effort put into creating public art and historical landmarks often reflect the pride and values of communities, making their destruction or defacement all the more impactful. It's crucial to promote understanding, respect, and unity instead of hate and divisiveness.

    • Should Critics of America Leave?If deeply convinced America's fundamentals are irredeemable, consider relocating to another country for peace, rather than staying to fight an unwinnable battle.

      There is a growing debate about the legitimacy of staying in America for those who strongly criticize its history and institutions. The speaker argues that if one truly believes America is inherently evil, systemically racist, and built on stolen land, then they should consider leaving and moving to another country. This perspective is based on the observation that in many other parts of the world, even minor disrespect to national symbols can lead to severe consequences. The speaker acknowledges that some may argue that staying in America is to fight for change and progress, but contends that the things they hate about America are fundamentals that cannot be changed. The speaker's message is not meant to be rhetorical, but rather a question that deserves an answer. The availability of 194 other countries presents an alternative option for those who feel they have no place in America.

    • Despite a black president, systemic racism remains a concern. Some critics seem insincere.While some criticize America's systemic racism, their actions suggest a lack of sincerity as they enjoy freedoms others lack.

      Despite the election of a black president, systemic racism remains a significant issue in America, according to some perspectives. Yet, many people who criticize the country's problems continue to live there, raising questions about their sincerity. If they truly believed the country was irredeemably corrupt and oppressive, the ethical choice would be to leave and donate assets to a cause outside the U.S. However, this option is rarely, if ever, discussed or considered. Instead, some people seem to be protesting out of boredom or a desire for a cause, rather than genuine belief in their claims. These individuals, who belong to the most free group in the world, have the freedom to protest, burn buildings, and steal merchandise without consequence. Their actions suggest a lack of sincerity in their criticisms of America.

    • Exploring Alternatives to the US: A Frustrated PerspectiveDespite expressing frustration with the US, Walsh encourages listeners to stay and fight for change rather than seeking alternatives.

      During the discussed episode of The Matt Walsh Show, Walsh expressed frustration with the current state of society and suggested exploring other countries as potential alternatives. He implied that the United States has a problematic history rooted in slavery and genocide. However, despite this, Walsh ultimately argued that people should not leave, as they are all "frauds" and should stay to fight for change. The episode ended on a somewhat pessimistic note, but with a call to action for listeners to engage with the issues discussed and to subscribe to the show. The Matt Walsh Show is produced by Daily Wire and is available on various podcast platforms. The episode contained strong opinions and language, and may not be suitable for all audiences.

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