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    Episode #020 ... Two Medieval Approaches To God

    enApril 24, 2014

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    • Exploring the complex question of God's existenceRecognize the diversity of interpretations of God and engage in open-minded dialogue to deepen our understanding.

      The question of God's existence is a complex and multifaceted issue that has been debated throughout history. People often form their opinions based on limited perspectives, leading to oversimplified conclusions. The concept of God varies greatly depending on cultural and philosophical contexts. It's essential to recognize that different interpretations of God exist and to engage in open-minded dialogue to deepen our understanding. The speaker shares his personal experience of spending a significant time exploring the question of God's existence and encountering various perspectives. He emphasizes the importance of considering diverse viewpoints and avoiding dismissive attitudes towards alternative beliefs. Ultimately, the quest for understanding God is an ongoing journey that requires continuous exploration and reflection.

    • Exploring the Complex Concept of GodGod is a multifaceted idea explored throughout philosophy and religious texts, encompassing the creator of the universe, the totality of existence, and the transcendent good.

      The concept of God, as discussed throughout philosophy and religious texts, is a complex and multifaceted idea that goes beyond simple stories or superficial interpretations. From the thing that brought the universe into existence to the totality of all existence, and from the animating force of the universe to the transcendent good, philosophers have explored various definitions and interpretations of God. These concepts can be deeply philosophical and require extensive study and understanding. When we encounter religious texts or philosophical discussions about God, it's important to remember that they often delve into complex ideas and not just simple stories. These ideas have been explored for centuries, and it takes a significant amount of time and effort to fully understand them.

    • Philosophers reconcile Plato's ideas with monotheistic religionsDuring the Middle Ages, philosophers used dialectical reasoning to argue for God's existence and make philosophical concepts compatible with religious beliefs, bridging the gap between Plato's ideas and monotheistic theology.

      During the period when monotheistic religions were gaining popularity in Europe, philosophers heavily influenced by Plato tried to make his philosophy compatible with their beliefs. This was due to Plato's belief in a creator and the separation of mind and body, which allowed for the possibility of an immortal soul. Aristotle, on the other hand, was more difficult to reconcile with religious theology. Instead, European philosophers during this time, known as the Latin West, employed a method called scholasticism, which focused on dialectical reasoning and argumentation. Saint Anselm, considered the father of scholasticism, is famous for his ontological argument for the existence of God. He distinguished between things that exist only in human understanding and things that exist in reality. The most important takeaway is that during this time, philosophers used dialectical reasoning to argue for the existence of God and make philosophical concepts compatible with religious beliefs.

    • Anselm's Proof of God's Existence: The Greatest ThingAnselm's argument for God's existence emphasizes clear definitions and the existence of things beyond human understanding, while acknowledging the distinction between belief and reality.

      Saint Anselm's proof of God's existence revolves around defining the concept of God as the greatest thing that cannot be thought of as greater. This argument does not depend on any specific human understanding or characteristics of God, but rather on the idea of a supreme good that requires nothing else for its existence. Anselm's approach highlights the importance of clear definitions when discussing existence, whether it be God or any other concept. He also acknowledges that something can exist in someone's thought, even if they do not believe it exists in reality. The discussion also emphasizes the existence of things beyond human understanding, such as new species or distant galaxies, which underscores the importance of keeping an open mind and not letting personal biases hinder our understanding of the world.

    • Anselm's Ontological Argument: God's Greatness Implies His ExistenceAnselm argues that God, as the greatest conceivable being, must exist in reality since whatever we can conceive as greatest must exist, either in our minds or in reality.

      Saint Anselm's Ontological Argument for the existence of God, as presented in his "Proslogion," posits that by acknowledging God as the greatest conceivable being, we implicitly accept His existence, both in our thoughts and in reality. Anselm argues that whatever we can conceive as the greatest thing must exist, either in our minds or in reality, and since God is the greatest conceivable being, He must exist. This argument challenges atheists who claim God only exists in their imaginations, as Anselm suggests that acknowledging God's greatness implies His existence in reality, which offers a greater benefit. However, the argument's assertive tone and the assumption that God's existence is an absolute truth can create skepticism and unease for some.

    • The Ontological Argument for God's Existence: A Debated TopicImmanuel Kant and others criticized Anselm's Ontological Argument for God's existence, arguing it contains biases and inconsistencies, and existence not being a quality but a necessary condition for qualities to exist.

      The ontological argument for the existence of God, as proposed by Saint Anselm, has been subject to significant criticism. Immanuel Kant, a famous philosopher, argued that Anselm's definition of God as that than which nothing greater can be thought, and the inclusion of existence as a quality of God, contain inherent biases and inconsistencies. Kant suggested that existence is not a quality, but rather a necessary condition for other qualities to exist. Another critic, Ganilo, pointed out that the same argument could be used to prove the existence of non-existent things, like a perfect island. Ultimately, the ontological argument remains a topic of philosophical debate, and it's recommended to read and think about the arguments for and against it to form a personal opinion.

    • Exploring complex ideas through deep conversationsEngaging in thoughtful debates with wise individuals can lead to valuable insights and learning experiences, acknowledging the importance of understanding different perspectives and the fallacies that may arise, while continuously learning and remaining open-minded.

      Engaging in deep and thoughtful conversations about complex ideas, such as philosophy and religion, can lead to valuable insights and learning experiences. The speaker shares his approach of seeking out the "wise" person in a group and engaging them in debate, acknowledging the importance of understanding different perspectives and the fallacies that may arise. He also emphasizes the importance of not limiting one's understanding of concepts based on a single perspective or experience. The speaker's approach echoes the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates, and he encourages continuous learning and open-mindedness. Additionally, he highlights the evolving nature of concepts, using the example of justice and its different interpretations throughout history.

    • Maimonides' View on God's Personification in the Old TestamentMaimonides believed that God's personification in the Old Testament was necessary for its time to communicate monotheism, despite God not possessing human qualities or complexity.

      Maimonides, a doctor and lawyer with a philosophical mind, believed that the use of human characteristics and personification in the Old Testament to describe God was necessary for its time. He argued that Moses, when writing the Torah, had to communicate the concept of monotheism to people unfamiliar with the idea, using understandable metaphors. Maimonides further believed that God doesn't possess human qualities or any qualities at all, as having qualities implies plurality and raises the question of what brought those parts together. This concept goes back to Zeno's paradox of Achilles. God is considered a simple essence with no complexity. This perspective offers a new way to understand the religious texts and their use of human language to describe the divine.

    • Maimonides' View of God: Beyond Human ComprehensionMaimonides believed God is beyond human comprehension, suggesting negative theology and focusing on God's actions to discuss the divine, prioritizing understanding among the intelligent few over the many.

      According to Maimonides, God is beyond human comprehension and cannot be defined or categorized using language. He emphasized that anything said about God is metaphorical and should not be taken literally. Maimonides suggested two ways to talk about God: negative theology, where we focus on what God is not, and describing God's actions and making inferences. He believed that it is more important to please the intelligent few who understand this perspective than to cater to the many who may not. This conception of God aligns with the Daoist philosophy of Laozi and Zhuangzi, emphasizing the unity and indefinability of the divine.

    • Help others understand to build stronger relationshipsEffective communication involves empathy, understanding, and a willingness to help others overcome their challenges, fostering deeper connections and continuous learning.

      Effective communication involves empathy and understanding. The quote suggests that when we encounter someone who is struggling or perplexed, instead of leaving them in their confusion, we should take the time to help them understand the cause of their confusion. By doing so, we not only help them attain perfection and find peace, but we also foster a deeper connection and build stronger relationships. Effective communication is not just about conveying information, but also about understanding the other person's perspective and helping them navigate their challenges. This approach not only benefits the person we are communicating with, but it also benefits us by enhancing our own understanding and empathy. Moreover, the quote emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and self-improvement. By helping someone else overcome their challenges, we also learn new things and gain new insights. This is a win-win situation that benefits both parties involved. In essence, the quote reminds us that effective communication is a two-way street that requires empathy, understanding, and a willingness to help others. By adopting this approach, we can build stronger relationships, foster learning, and create a more peaceful and harmonious world.

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