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    Episode 115 - Angela Rasmussen, PhD: Vaccinating Kids Against COVID

    enApril 06, 2021

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    • Exploring LinkedIn for Hiring and Memorial Day DealsLinkedIn is a powerful hiring tool with 70% of users not actively seeking jobs, while Memorial Day brings discounts on outdoor furniture from Burrow and price drops from Mint Mobile

      LinkedIn is a valuable resource for hiring professionals, as over 70% of its users don't visit other leading job sites. This means that great candidates like Sandra, who wasn't actively looking for a new job but was open to the perfect role, might be missed if a business doesn't use LinkedIn for hiring. Meanwhile, in other news, Burrow, a furniture company, is offering discounts on their outdoor collection for Memorial Day. Their outdoor furniture is built to withstand the elements and comes with free shipping. Mint Mobile, a wireless service provider, is bringing down their prices to help customers deal with inflation. They've introduced a reverse auctioneer to sell their Unlimited Premium Wireless plan for as low as $15 a month. Finally, Steve Sample, a doctor, joined the show to discuss his experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic. He shared that while COVID cases have plummeted in his area, he's glad to see them coming back as it means a return to normalcy, albeit with some lingering concerns about vaccination rates among healthcare workers.

    • Communicating the community aspect of vaccines during vaccine hesitancyAddressing vaccine hesitancy requires acknowledging personal beliefs while emphasizing the potential harm to vulnerable individuals if not vaccinated.

      Despite overwhelming evidence supporting the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, some individuals remain hesitant due to personal beliefs and a focus on their own wellbeing over the wider community. This hesitancy is not a new phenomenon, but the degree of it during this specific moment in time, where misinformation and conspiracy theories thrive, seems particularly notable. The challenge lies in communicating the community aspect and the potential harm to others when individuals choose not to get vaccinated. It's important to remember that while the individual's survival is likely, not vaccinating can put vulnerable individuals at risk. The ongoing conversation around vaccine hesitancy requires acknowledging the skepticism that has always existed, while also addressing the unique challenges of the current information landscape.

    • Social Media and the Spread of Conspiracy TheoriesSocial media has enabled the mainstreaming of conspiracy theories, influencing public discourse through the support of certain media personalities and politicians, leading to concerns about their impact on society, particularly in relation to vaccine safety and politics.

      The age of social media has given rise to the mainstreaming of conspiracy theories, such as QAnon, which can be connected to various other issues like vaccine safety and politics. The conspiracy theories, though not believed by the majority, have been able to influence public discourse due to the willingness of some media personalities and politicians to give them airtime. The anti-vaccine sentiment, which has existed on both the far left and right, is an example of this phenomenon. The speaker shares his personal experience of getting drawn into QAnon and expresses concern about its impact on society. The discussion also touches upon the speaker's self-deprecating thoughts about his appearance.

    • Children can spread COVID-19 and should be protectedChildren can spread COVID-19, but they're generally at lower risk. Protect them indirectly by vaccinating adults.

      Children are not immune to COVID-19 and can spread the virus to others. While severe disease outcomes are rare in kids, they can still get infected and infect others, especially if transmission is high in their communities. Virologist Dr. Angela Rasmussen emphasized that children should be protected from SARS-CoV-2, just like adults. However, she also acknowledged that children are generally at lower risk and that the priority should be to vaccinate as many adults as possible to reduce transmission. She also clarified that the argument is for long-term protection for children against COVID-19, similar to other childhood vaccines. The vaccines for younger children are still undergoing clinical trials, but the focus should be on getting adults vaccinated to protect children indirectly.

    • Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine Shows Promise for 12-15 Year OldsEarly results from Pfizer's clinical trials suggest the vaccine is safe and effective for 12-15 year olds, but more data is needed to determine efficacy. Pfizer aims for emergency use authorization, but global vaccine inequity remains a complex issue.

      Pfizer has announced early results from clinical trials of their COVID-19 vaccine on 12 to 15-year-olds. The trial, which focused on safety and robust antibody responses, showed no safety concerns and antibody responses more robust than adults. However, with only 18 cases of COVID-19 in the trial, it's hard to draw conclusions about efficacy. Pfizer aims for emergency use authorization as soon as possible, but trials for younger kids are still ongoing. The ethics of vaccinating kids before addressing global vaccine inequity is a complex issue, with the situation uncertain due to safety concerns with other vaccines like AstraZeneca. Responses to the discussion have been mixed, with some expressing relief and others accusing of profiting off vaccines or being a "baby killer."

    • The Reality Behind Anti-Vaxxers' Skepticism towards VaccinesAnti-vaxxers exploit confusion and uncertainty about vaccine development for profit, while most researchers are driven by a desire to contribute to scientific knowledge and public health.

      The skepticism towards vaccines, particularly among some anti-vaxxers, is driven by misinformation and conspiracy theories. These groups often accuse researchers and academics of being in it for the money, but the reality is that most researchers are motivated by the desire to contribute to scientific knowledge and public health. The rapid development of COVID-19 vaccines has led to confusion and uncertainty, and anti-vaxxers exploit these concerns by spreading misinformation about vaccines being a profit machine. This is an example of the Darvo technique, which denies, attacks, reverses victim and offender roles, and offends. In reality, anti-vaxxers are the ones making money from spreading misinformation. It's important to understand the reasons behind the development of vaccines, including the use of emergency use authorizations and the rarity of long-term side effects. By addressing these concerns and providing accurate information, more people may feel comfortable getting vaccinated. It's crucial to rely on credible sources and not be swayed by biased opinions, even if they seem to align with our beliefs.

    • Maintaining Population Immunity and Preventing New VariantsContinue vaccinating the entire population, including children, to prevent further mutations and reach herd immunity. FDA approval necessary for vaccines in younger age groups. Virus will continue to mutate and spread, creating opportunities for new variants. Long-term global herd immunity needed to control COVID-19 transmission effectively.

      While vaccines are currently effective against known COVID-19 variants and provide protection against severe illness and death, it's essential to continue vaccinating the entire population, including children, to prevent further mutations and reach herd immunity. The FDA needs to review all data from ongoing trials before approving vaccines for younger age groups. Vaccines are not yet approved for children under 16. The virus will continue to mutate and spread in susceptible populations, creating opportunities for new variants that may evade vaccine immunity. While it may be safe to send kids back to school once most adults are vaccinated, long-term global herd immunity is necessary to control COVID-19 transmission effectively. The ongoing debate about FDA approval and emergency use authorization is a complex issue, and it's crucial to understand the importance of thorough data review and regulatory oversight in ensuring vaccine safety and efficacy.

    • Transitioning from EUA to Full Approval for COVID-19 VaccinesThe FDA's process of transitioning from EUA to full approval for COVID-19 vaccines is normal and necessary to understand their long-term effects and durability.

      The FDA's emergency use authorization (EUA) for COVID-19 vaccines allowed for their rapid distribution during the crisis, but full approval requires longer-term data. Pfizer has recently announced they have enough data for full approval, and this process is normal even after licensure. The vaccines have proven effective in clinical trials and real-world data, and getting them into people's arms quickly was crucial during the emergency. However, long-term data is necessary to understand their durability, potential cross-protection, and other long-term effects. The transition from EUA to full approval is a normal process and doesn't indicate any lack of efficacy. Despite the learning curve for many of us, the vaccines are a crucial tool in combating the pandemic.

    • Communicating complex scientific information during a crisisBuild trust and provide accurate, well-reasoned info to counter disinformation. Avoid engaging with spreaders, but respond thoughtfully in public forums.

      Communicating complex scientific information to the public during a crisis, such as a pandemic, is a challenging task due to the prevalence of disinformation and the public's desire for simple answers. The disinformation is often intentional and comes from various sources, including anti-vaxxers and adversarial nations. People are uncomfortable with uncertainty and prefer clear-cut answers, even if they are incorrect. False dichotomies and simplistic explanations are more appealing than nuanced discussions. Some individuals and organizations capitalize on this by selling false securities through products or services. Building trust with the public and providing accurate, well-reasoned information is essential but can be exhausting and stressful. Engaging with disinformation spreaders may not be productive, but providing thoughtful responses in public forums can potentially reach undecided individuals.

    • Engaging with anti-vaxx accounts on social mediaApproach misinformation calmly, address substance, block for prevention, don't dismiss as ignorant, find trusted experts, consult healthcare providers.

      Addressing misinformation requires a calm and educational approach rather than a scornful one. Dr. Rasmussen, an epidemiologist, shared her experience of engaging with anti-vaxx accounts on Twitter, explaining how she responds calmly, addresses the substance of their statements, and then blocks them to prevent further interaction. She emphasized the importance of not dismissing those who spread misinformation as ignorant or unsophisticated, as this can further alienate them and reinforce their beliefs. Instead, she advised reserving scorn for those actively spreading misinformation, such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or Joseph Mercola. Dr. Rasmussen also encouraged people to find experts they trust and can understand, and to consult their healthcare providers for advice on their specific health concerns.

    • Healthcare Professionals Share Insights on Pandemic and VaccinesHealthcare professionals remain dedicated to public health despite personal exhaustion, emphasizing the importance of vaccines in ending the pandemic.

      The perspective of healthcare professionals, like the speakers in this podcast, provides valuable insights into the complexities and importance of healthcare, particularly during a pandemic. The speakers emphasized their dedication to public health and the importance of vaccines in ending the pandemic, despite their personal exhaustion with the topic. This podcast is not a substitute for professional medical advice and encourages listeners to consult healthcare providers for their specific needs. Additionally, the discussion touched on various products and services, including Boll and Branch's organic cotton sheets and Pretty Litter's innovative cat litter, as well as UnitedHealthcare Insurance Plans offering flexible coverage options.

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