Episode 46. Heather Li of It's Nice to Hear You

Nadia Marie is an artist born in New York, now living in Atlanta, Georgia. She is also a photographer, musician and now writer, contributing her writing and musical scoring to season 4 of iHeart Radio's show Dear Young Rocker.

Dear Young Rocker is an audio memoir about girlhood, growing up in music and finding your place in the world. Presented as letters to a younger self, Dear Young Rocker explores how you became the person that you are today and what kinds of people you might have needed back then.

In this episode of MetaPod, Wendy talks to Nadia Marie about writing, recording, scoring and sharing a deeply personal coming-of-age story with the world via podcast. Nadia Marie explains her strong belief in the benefits of talking to others about life's hardships. She also discusses the powerful role that music played in her recovery from amnesia. Aside from fairly serious topics like loneliness, grief, family, body image and women's reproductive rights, Wendy and Nadia Marie also figure out in the course of this MetaPod conversation what the ultimate new item of merch is for the Dear Young Rocker podcast.

About Nadia Marie
Nadia Marie has been releasing music and performing since she was 13 years old. She first got her start playing bars and venues in Atlanta when she was only 14 years old. She grew an online cult-like following from there.

She was awarded "Top Songs of the Year" and "Best of Atlanta" by Mainline Magazine in 2019 for her album Weekday Weekend. Her music has been featured in Open Ears Music, Mainline Magazine, Immersive Atlanta and she was named "Songwriter of the Year" by Creative Loafing in 2019.

Her photography has been selected for display at Yale University, the Gertrude Herbert Institute of Art, and BurnAway's "art crush" publication. She has also presented work at the Georgia State Research Conference and published work for her series that focuses on ritual and rites of passage of cultural representations of women in the American South.

Her latest release “Seven” is about a dialogue and the cyclical codependent relationship between the seven deadly sins and seven stages of grief. She composed all the instrumentation and produced the record herself. "Seven" and other music by Nadia Marie is available on Bandcamp. You can also follow Nadia Marie on Instagram.

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"Bands and musicians talk about their various and precarious side jobs."

Just as MetaPod talks to creators of the web’s most interesting podcasts to get at the stories behind those podcasts, Giles Bidder of 101 Part Time Jobs talks to musicians about the other jobs they do alongside their work as artists. The result is a backstage pass of sorts to better understand what the minds, hearts and hands of indie rock are doing when they are not on stage, on tour or in the studio.

Giles is thoughtful about artists as individuals and about the larger creative economy that they are part of. His DIY ethos makes him a good ally and advocate for musicians who want to create their own lifestyle or pursue work in non-traditional ways. He also has a great moustache.

The 101 Part Time Jobs podcast offers insights about how musicians balance or blend work and art into a lifestyle. 101 Part Time Jobs is also a good podcast for discovering bands that you might know yet. particularly if you’re located outside of England.

In this episode of MetaPod, Wendy talks to Giles about what makes 101 Part Time Jobs different than other music podcasts. They also talk about some of the unhealthy aspects of the music industry and Giles explains his biggest wish for musicians. Also, Giles is served a question that you'll hear him regularly ask guests on his own show.  As a result, he reveals some of his most embarrassing work stories.


About Giles Bidder:
Giles Bidder is the creator and presenter of the 101 Part Time Jobs podcast. He’s also a musician, writer and producer, having worked in print, radio and live events. You can also find the 101 Part Time Jobs podcast on Instagram.

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"Articles Of Interest is a show about what we wear"

Avery Trufelman is the host and creator of Articles Of Interest and one of the few people on Earth who can connect the shape of a shoulder of a jacket to a major historical event. You might also know Avery from her affiliation with design podcast 99% Invisible or her work on Curbed's Nice Try! and New York Magazine's podcast The Cut. 

Avery was one of MetaPod’s first guests back in December 2020. In episode 2 of MetaPod, Avery joined us to discuss her work at The Cut, the weekly podcast companion to New York Magazine's column of the same name. 

However, this episode is devoted to Avery’s work on Articles Of Interest. More specifically, we talk a lot about the new series of the show, titled American Ivy. The new series explores the origin and evolution of this fashion style that what would eventually become known as “preppy”.

Avery is intelligent, curious, self-aware, creative and funny. We touched on a lot of different subjects in this MetaPod conversation, including: preppy as a style, fashion trends and “vibes”, fashion forecasting, the “jeans of the future”, scent and our sense of smell, and clothing as a means to express ourselves... plus Liz Claiborne and Ralph Lauren!

In this episode of MetaPod, I checked in on a few questions we asked Avery back in 2020. You'll also learn a bit about her appearance at Het Podcastfestival in Amsterdam, September 2022.

Show notes:

Articles Of Interest newsletter

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“How courageous leaders unlock potential”

Ranjay Gulati is an author, podcaster and Harvard Business School's Paul R. Lawrence MBA Class of 1942 Professor. He is often cited on matters of economics and business and has been studying resilience within organisations in order to understand how organisations grow and prosper under both good and bad circumstances.

Professor Gulati’s podcast Deep Purpose is an extension of his work, published earlier in a book with the same title. Deep Purpose examines how business leaders "unlock" the potential of their organisations and people.

At quick glance, Deep Purpose seems like business podcast and in this sense is one of the first to be featured on MetaPod. However, this is actually a podcast about people. and you don’t need to be interested in “business” as you might ordinarily think of it to enjoy the podcast. Ranjay speaks to business leaders from across the globe about how they integrate purpose into their work, communities, personal lives and well being.  Through inquisitive conversation, Ranjay is able to get CEOs to reveal their personal thoughts and feelings about their organisations, work, challenges and successes.

MetaPod episode recommendation for Deep Purpose:

• Unilever CEO Alan Jope Maintains a Long History of Doing Good

In this episode of MetaPod Wendy enquires with Ranjay about the risks and challenges related to "going deep" on a purpose as a company. They discuss some of the cultural challenges companies have related to pursuing social "good" and also consider consumer expectations around corporate social responsibility.

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"An international podcast that explores the personal side of climate change."

Panu Pihkala, a climate emotions scholar, and Thomas Doherty, a clinical and environmental psychologist, have created a one-of-a-kind podcast which explores human emotions and feelings around climate change. Climate Change and Happiness is a podcast that also talks about the ways individuals can develop their awareness of these feelings and acknowledge that others have them too. 

Panu is a scholar based in Helsinki, Finland and Thomas is a psychologist based in Portland, Oregon in the United States. Together their conversations are philosophical and practical, abstract and grounded, international and nuanced. You do not need to be an academic, clinician or social activist to plug into their conversations - they are welcoming, calm and exploratory. Some episodes feature guests from related fields of work while others look at emotions and climate change from seemingly unrelated angles, such as music, art and poetry. 

What is special about the tone of Climate Change and Happiness is that it is free of “shoulds” and the judgmental opinions and directives that often get associated with environmental activism. As you’ll hear in this MetaPod discussion, the one “should” is that their podcast have therapeutic value to listeners. 

In this episode of MetaPod we discuss the value of emotional intelligence and the personal risks and social costs of not acknowledging our emotions. You'll also hear Thomas and Panu explain their intentions to create an open-minded podcast that is comfortable with the idea of uncertainty amidst the negative and anxiety-inducing noise that currently exists around climate change.

MetaPod episode recommendations for Climate Change and Happiness:

• Climate music pt. 1 Panu's playlist
• Climate music pt. 2 Thomas's playlist

If you enjoyed this episode, or any other episode of MetaPod, please leave a rating or review if possible where you listen. Also, consider sharing it on social media or directly with someone who might be interested. It’s a simple and free way to support MetaPod and the podcasts featured - thank you for that!

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"Getting Emotional is a podcast about obscure emotions that you may have felt, but had no idea there was a name for. "

Have you ever experienced “fago” or felt “limerence”? Most likely you have, but didn't realise there were words for these emotional states.

Getting Emotional is a podcast at the intersection of culture, language and emotion. Each episode is devoted to discovering a feeling or emotion, the word for it and the cultural context of its origin and use. 

Bex Lindsay is the presenter of Getting Emotional and described the discovery of a word related to grief that inspired her to create the podcast: "it's such a lovely thing when you feel a hand has been put out there in the darkness and it's for you - nobody else had shaken my hand in that way before."

When she’s not podcasting, Bex is a radio presenter in the UK at Fun Kids Radio. She’s been recognised and awarded for her work in radio and podcasting and most recently won Silver at the 2022 British Podcast Awards for the Getting Emotional podcast.

In this episode of MetaPod, Wendy and Bex discuss emotions, feelings and moods, as well as the changing cultural understandings of them over time. They also discuss music and emotion and you'll hear why Bex is such a big fan of the Scottish band Belle & Sebastian. 

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"A podcast about the people behind the music that other people wrote, performed and made millions off of and their goals to score a little gas money and cover the bar tab."

Don’t Quit Your Day Job … sounds like cautionary advice about something that you might fantasize about occasionally, right?

Well, Don’t Quit Your Day Job is a podcast about and for people in cover bands. You know - the bands that play the songs you like at your local bar or neighborhood events, bands composed of people who do other things during the day, like teach children, take care of animals or manage an IT team... and people who put their sunglasses on at night and make sure you have a good time when you’re out with friends!

Don’t Quit Your Day Job is hosted by Ray Auger, a radio personality and station manager at WMRC or “MyFM 101.3” in Milford, Massachusetts in the United States. Ray has a lot of jobs, and actually I don’t think he’d dream of quitting any of them. He's one of the voices behind New England Legends, a podcast exploring the spooky places of New England, but his new podcast allows people in bands to talk about how they pursue their passion for music and entertaining while getting all the other stuff in life taken care of too. The conversations are full of humble advice from experienced, and humorous, part-time musicians, but Ray and his guests pull back the stage curtain for others too, giving fans and business owners ideas about how the nighttime entertainment economy works from the cover band perspective.

In this episode of MetaPod, Wendy talks to Ray about the work and relationships involved in being in a band and how bands, audiences and music venues depend on each other to do good business. You'll also hear how Ray turns the occasional live gig screw up into entertainment and about the time he disappointed someone in the audience because he couldn't hit Axl Rose's high parts on Sweet Child O' Mine.

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The Holy Hour - The All Cure Podcast - offers an in-depth look at one of rock's most unconventional acts, The Cure.

Hosted by Gavin Conner, Charles "Chaz" Murphy and Antonio Longo, The Holy Hour brings fans from around the globe together in discussing and dissecting The Cure's expansive 40+ year career.  Started in 2015, more than 200 episodes offer something for every fan, no matter which era of The Cure you prefer.

In this episode of MetaPod, Wendy talks to Gavin about what makes for a good fan podcast dedicated to a single band and why a podcast, in contrast to other types of media, is ideal for discussing music. Gavin also shares the origin story of the podcast, the evolution of The Holy Hour and the community that has built up around it. 

Wendy and Gavin also discuss recent topics related to the band, including The Cure's European "Lost World" 2022 tour, new songs debuted on the tour, a forthcoming album of The Cure, the return of Perry Bamonte to The Cure and many more fan musings - plus a live clip from Helsinki.

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Hello MetaPod listeners,

This is a quick update on the MetaPod show as we close in on the end of 2022.

Thanks for listening and for your continued support.

Wendy

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"Rumble Strip gives you extraordinary stories about ordinary life."

This episode of MetaPod features two New Englanders talking about how to capture the culture of the region for a podcast. That would be Erica Heilman, creator of Rumble Strip, a podcast that she makes in her underwear closet in Vermont, and Wendy, host of MetaPod and native of the Live Free or Die State (aka New Hampshire).

Erica is an award-winning indie podcaster and has been producing stories for radio for 15+ years. She calls Rumble Strip "a show about people getting through the day". Although the scenes and smells are characteristic of life in Vermont, Rumble Strip listeners will discover that people are more alike than different.

Wendy and Erica discuss how Erica manages to ride tractors, hunt grouse, learn to skin cows while being in a state of wonder talking to people about what the heck is going on. Wendy also asks about the Peabody Award for Erica's episode Finn and the Bell and what it was like to work with band Sylvan Esso on a podcast. And finally, Wendy asks Erica to describe some of the unique smells of Vermont and how she's included them in Rumble Strip.  Oh, and p.s. Erica reveals her power song!

Show notes

• Fifty. A Phoenix Moment (Total Eclipse of the Heart)
• Forrest Foster, Independent Dairyman
• Virtual Justice
• Sylvan Esso (band)
• Shaking Out the Numb (produced by Erica Heilman)

About Erica Heilman

Erica Heilman invites herself into people’s homes to find out what they know, hate, love, what they’re afraid of, and what makes them more like you than you’d realized. These are messy, obsessively crafted stories of the everyday. Rumble Strip’s Finn and the Bell won a Peabody Award in 2022. The Our Show series was named the #1 podcast of 2020 by The Atlantic. 

Erica’s independent radio work has aired on NPR, Hearing Voices, SOUNDPRINT, CBC, BBC, KCRW’s UnFictional, KCRW’s Lost Notes, and on major public radio affiliates across the United States.

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