EXPLORATION: The Paradox of Change | David Moody

You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode is a talk by Stephen Smith at the KFA’s 2020 Annual May Gathering. In this episode, Stephen explores the quiet mind. Stephen takes us on a journey through the intricate layers of consciousness, urging us to examine our fundamental perceptions and assumptions about reality. Through rigorous self-inquiry and a deep exploration of the self, he challenges us to go beyond the limitations of our conditioned minds and embrace a state of profound peace and clarity. Although it cannot be sought out, a quiet mind may be necessary to adequately address the ongoing challenges facing humanity. Join us as we uncover the transformative power of the quiet mind and its potential to revolutionize our understanding of ourselves and the world around us.

Stephen is a former educator at Brockwood Park School, where he had personal contact with Krishnamurti. He was also the former Center Coordinator of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America, organizing events, facilitating dialogues, engaging with the public in Southern California as well as traveling from coast to coast.

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 13: The Ending of Psychological Knowledge

Series: The Ending of Time

Why are our minds always operating in a certain direction?

What shall I do, as a human being, realizing that knowledge is naturally, inevitably forming a groove in which I live? How am I to break it down?

Pure observation, which is actually listening, is that pure observation love?

When I ask you to tell me what to do, I am back in the field of knowledge.

We have tried everything – fasting, every kind of thing to get rid of the ‘me’ with all its knowledge, with all its illusions. One tries to identify with something else, which is the same. A serious man has done all this and comes back to the fundamental question: what will make this wall totally disappear?

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast and this episode is an exploration on education between Darcy Gray and Jaap Sluijter. Darcy Gray's interest in Krishnamurti's teachings began in his early twenties, leading him to join the Krishnamurti School in Ojai, California, shortly after its establishment in 1975. During his three-decade tenure at Oak Grove School, he engaged in staff dialogues with Krishnamurti and David Bohm, contributing to various roles in the high school, elementary school, and administration. While teaching math and physics, traditionally approached with rote methods, Darcy prioritized innovative ways of presenting the subjects, fostering a collaborative learning atmosphere in the classroom. His teaching philosophy involved questioning both right and wrong answers, encouraging students to share their perspectives even when divergent from his expectations. Despite retiring in 2020, Darcy remained actively involved in Oak Grove School’s Krishnamurti discussions, volunteering and sustaining a profound interest in K’s questions and dialogues. Jaap Sluijter has a long-standing interest in the questions raised by Krishnamurti. Currently, Jaap is the Executive Director of the Krishnamurti Foundation of America. Previously, he lived and taught at Brockwood Park School in England. He has an MA in Mechanical Engineering and worked as a design engineer in the field of camera systems and musical instruments. 

Together, Darcy and Jaap discuss education, drawing insight from Krishnamurti's teachings. They explore the nuances of establishing a meaningful teacher-student relationship, emphasizing the importance of fostering independent thinking. The speakers advocate for a serious learning dynamic, addressing challenges such as fear, judgment, and bullying in the classroom and highlighting the need for clear expectations and standards.

In this dialogue, Jaap and Darcy explore the intricacies of addressing conflict in school, emphasizing the examination of personal desires and vulnerability. They also discuss the impact of Krishnamurti's emphasis on questioning and awareness. The speakers concluded by challenging traditional notions of intelligence, promoting freedom from conditioning, and envisioning schools as spaces for creativity and growth, breaking away from the dichotomy of obedience and rebellion. Click here to watch the previous episode they reference, which pertains to the Flame of Learning book.

You can also view this episode on YouTube.

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Welcome to The Immeasurable Podcast. This episode comes from discussions Krishnamurti had with teachers at Brockwood Park School, recorded in 1976. These dialogues were turned into a book called A Flame of Learning. In the previous episode, “Learning from Every Moment,” Leah and Pooja discuss similar themes. More specifically, they highlight how concepts like authority, discipline, and control impact students, as well as what it means to learn as an educator. 

This episode delves into the significance of the teacher and student, exploring topics such as authority, sensitivity, and learning. Krishnamurti emphasizes the value of collaborative learning between teachers and students.

Krishnamurti said, “It is important to establish right relationship between yourself and the student. You cannot do this if you are sitting on a pedestal as a teacher and treating the students as though below you. Come off the pedestal and establish a relationship of mutual learning.” You can find this quote in the book A Flame of Learning, where you can read these dialogues in print.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/

You’re listening to The Immeasurable Podcast. Welcome to our new listeners and hello again to our returning subscribers. This is the second episode in which we explore education. In this episode, Leah Luong is joined by Pooja Dubey, who comes from Delhi and is a former student of Raj Ghat Beasent School, Varanasi. For the last few years, Pooja has been actively involved in dialogues (both online and offline) at the Bangalore Study Center. In this episode, Pooja discusses her experience as a former student at the Krishnamurti School in India. Together, they explore what it means to learn, the essence of education, and how Krishnamurti schools differ from traditional educational systems.

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 12: The Intelligence of Love

Series: The Ending of Time

Can the mind, brain, the whole psychological structure ever be free from all conflict, from all shadow of disturbance?

Thought is the outcome of psychological accumulation. That accumulation gives a sense of continuity, which is time.

Why do all human beings throughout the world have the urge to become?

In accumulation man has sought psychological security, and that security with its accumulation is the factor of human division.

Perception without any motive, without any direction, perception of the wall which has been brought into being by this movement of accumulation, the very perception of that is intelligence and love.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 11: An Order Beyond All Human Order and Disorder

Series: The Ending of Time

Can insight wipe away, banish, or dissolve the whole movement of being tied, attached, dependent, and lonely?

Is there an order which is not man-made?

Measurement can exist only where there is disorder.

We live in a man-made world, we are the result of man-made minds. Can the mind uncondition itself so completely that it’s no longer man-made?

What is the relationship between love and hatred?

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation of Trust

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The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 10: Cosmic Order

Series: The Ending of Time

Is there an order which is not made by humans?

Can the brain ever be free from the impositions, pressures, wounds, bruises, and all the trivialities of existence?

Time is my whole existence. I take refuge in the past, which cannot be changed. Why does the brain accept this way of living, and why doesn’t it break it down?

As long as I have my roots in the past there cannot be order.

If the universe is not of time, can the mind which has been entangled in time unravel itself and so be the universe?

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

Follow The Immeasurable on Instagram (@krishnamurti_theimmeasurable)

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 9: Senility and the Brain Cells

Series: The Ending of Time

Is the human brain deteriorating?

The human brain is not a particular brain, it doesn't belong to me or to anyone else, it is the human brain which has evolved for millions of years.

Can the brain not only be aware of its own movement but can the brain itself have enough energy to break all patterns and move out of it?

Is psychological knowledge not in itself a factor of the shrinking of the brain?

The ending of suffering comes about when the self, which is built up through time, is no longer there.

If there is an insight into the nature of time the very brain cells which are part of time break down. The brain cells mutate, bring about a change in themselves.

Meditation is insight.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

The Immeasurable Podcast highlights a fifteen-part series from Ojai recorded in 1980 where J. Krishnamurti spoke with David Bohm about the ending of time. You can visit Pine Cottage where this conversation took place, and where Krishnamurti lived and passed away, during visiting hours at the Krishnamurti Library in Ojai, CA. Visit kfa.org for details.

J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - Dialogue 8: Can Insight be Awakened in Another?

Series: The Ending of Time

What is the relationship to society of an individual who has insight? What is their action with regard to war and the whole world?

To divert the course of humanity’s destruction, somebody must listen.

For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:

International Site - http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jk.krishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - http://www.kfoundation.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - http://www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - http://www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - http://www.fkla.org/

© 1980 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust