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    Exploring Earth’s Oceans with Sylvia Earle and Fabien Cousteau

    en-usAugust 17, 2018

    Podcast Summary

    • Ignite a child's love for natureNurturing children's curiosity and empathy towards the environment can lead to a lifelong passion and positive impact on the world.

      The love for the natural world, especially the ocean, can be ignited at a young age with the support and encouragement of parents and caregivers. Sylvia Earle's story highlights the importance of nurturing children's curiosity and empathy towards the environment, even when it may seem unusual or unconventional. Her experiences as a child, from being knocked over by a wave to encountering horseshoe crabs, shaped her into the renowned oceanographer and conservationist she is today. This underscores the significance of fostering a child's connection with nature and allowing them to explore their passions, as they might grow up to make a positive impact on the world.

    • Personal connections to the ocean and its creaturesEncountering marine life can challenge and change our perspectives, fostering empathy and appreciation for the unfamiliar.

      Our connection to the ocean and its creatures can be deeply personal, shaped by early experiences and a willingness to empathize with the unfamiliar. Dr. Sylvia Earle, a renowned marine biologist and explorer, shares a similar origin story with the interviewer, having been encouraged to respect and love the ocean from a young age. Her experiences underwater led her to a lifelong career and deep connection to the sea. The interview also touches on the idea that it can be challenging for humans to feel empathy for creatures that don't resemble us, such as the horseshoe crab. However, encounters with marine life can challenge and change our perspectives. An example given is the cuttlefish, which may not be cuddly or have a face we can easily relate to, but shows loving behavior towards its eggs. Another counterexample is the manta ray, which is recognized by divers based on their unique eye patterns and is considered one of the smartest fish in the ocean. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of experiencing the ocean and its inhabitants firsthand to foster empathy and appreciation.

    • Understanding Fish Recognition and the Complexity of the OceanFish have unique abilities to recognize individuals and expressive faces, but the ocean is a complex living system requiring urgent conservation efforts due to significant human impact, with 90% fish stock loss and half coral reefs gone since 1980.

      The ocean is not just a body of water, but a complex living system full of interacting organisms. The discussion highlighted the unique ability of certain fish to recognize individuals based on their retinas, and the potential advantage for fish to have more expressive faces. However, the importance of recognizing the ocean as a living system was emphasized, as human activity significantly impacts it. Sylvia Earle's passion for the ocean was conveyed, with her viewing it as a three-dimensional universe teeming with life. The loss of 90% of fish stocks and half of coral reefs since 1980 underscores the urgent need for conservation efforts.

    • The Ocean's Challenges: Warming Temperatures and AcidificationThe ocean absorbs carbon dioxide, turning it into acid, harming marine life and threatening food sources for millions

      The ocean, which has long been seen as an inexhaustible and vast body, is actually facing significant challenges due to both warming temperatures and ocean acidification. The ocean absorbs about a third of the carbon dioxide humans emit, and when this gas turns into carbonic acid, it increases the acidity of the ocean at a rate faster than any time in the last 500 million years. This process harms marine life, particularly coral reefs, by eroding their shells and skeletons and depleting the chemical building blocks they need to grow. Additionally, there are other pollutants, such as dihydrogen monoxide (a.k.a. water), which can contribute to the greenhouse effect and acid rain, further threatening the health of our oceans. It's crucial that we take action to reduce our carbon emissions and minimize pollution to help protect the ocean and the millions of people who depend on it for food and livelihoods.

    • Reducing plastic waste in oceans through innovationActors can use their platform to raise awareness and advocate for reducing plastic waste in oceans. The ocean, covering 70% of Earth, is largely unexplored and deserves protection. Innovations like plastic straws bring convenience but harm the environment. Nearly 10 million tons of plastic enter oceans yearly, and it's crucial to prevent more harm.

      While innovations like plastic straws have brought convenience to our lives, it's important that we continue to innovate and find alternatives to reduce our impact on the environment, specifically in regards to plastic waste in our oceans. Plastic pollution is a growing issue, with nearly 10 million tons entering the ocean each year, and it's crucial that we take action to prevent more harm. Actors, like the speaker, can become activists by recognizing their ability to make a difference and using their platform to raise awareness and advocate for important causes. The ocean, which covers over 70% of the Earth's surface, remains largely unexplored, and increasing our knowledge and understanding of it is essential to preserving it. The speaker's personal experience of diving in the ocean and encountering a vast expanse of blue water and a school of eagle rays highlights the beauty and romance of the ocean that deserves our protection.

    • The ocean's crucial role in our livesThe ocean provides over half our oxygen, regulates climate, feeds billions, and contributes to economy

      Our connection to the ocean runs deeper than we may realize. From being the source of our very existence, as our atoms and molecules originated from stars and the crucibles in their centers, to providing over 50% of the oxygen we breathe, the ocean plays a crucial role in our lives. It's not just a vast body of water, but a life-sustaining system that we often take for granted. Furthermore, the ocean's importance extends beyond our personal needs, as it regulates our climate, provides food for billions of people, and contributes significantly to our global economy. The next time you gaze into the ocean, remember that it's not just a beautiful and mysterious body of water, but a vital part of our existence.

    • Exploring the depths of the ocean with aquanauts like Fabienne CousteauImagination and innovation enable us to explore extreme environments, like the ocean, and expand our understanding of the world.

      The ocean and its unique properties play a crucial role in making life on Earth possible, and explorers like Jacques Cousteau have made significant contributions to our understanding of it. Fabienne Cousteau, Jacques' grandson, has taken this exploration a step further by becoming an aquanaut, someone who can acclimate to underwater pressure and stay for extended periods. This requires a lengthy adjustment process, as the body absorbs gases differently underwater than on land. Fabienne has accomplished this feat in underwater research stations, and even designed a shark-shaped submarine to study sharks more closely without disturbing them in their natural habitats. This demonstrates the importance of imagination and innovation in furthering our knowledge of the world around us, whether it be in space or under the sea.

    • Exploring the Depths: Sharks vs SubmarinesSharks and submarines offer unique ways to explore the unknown - sharks rely on smell and electric charges, while submarines provide a perspective into ancient underwater habitats and the diverse life forms they harbor.

      Sharks, despite having a Trojan horse-like underwater vehicle to get closer, may still be able to detect its presence due to their strong reliance on their sense of smell and electric charges. Meanwhile, submarines, like the one piloted by Erica Bergman, provide a unique perspective into the depths of the ocean, revealing wonders such as the ancient glass sponge reefs. These underwater habitats, millions of years old, offer a glimpse into the Earth's history and the diverse life forms that inhabit it. In 1970, Sylvia Earle and her team of aquanauts lived underwater for extended periods, simulating the isolation and challenges faced by astronauts in space. Both submarines and spacecraft serve as tools to explore and understand the unknown, whether it be the depths of the ocean or the vastness of space.

    • Exploring Extreme Environments: Underwater and SpaceBoth underwater and space explorations challenged scientists with extreme environments, isolation, and the need for food access. Sylvia Earls broke gender barriers in marine biology, while discoveries in space raise questions about potential oceans on other planets.

      The underwater explorations of Sylvia Earls and the space missions during the 1960s and 1970s share surprising similarities. Both required scientists to deal with extreme environments, isolation, and the need for access to food. These challenges were reflected in the unflattering suits worn by both underwater and space explorers. Sylvia Earls served as an inspiration for a new generation of marine biologists, paving the way for women in the industry despite lingering barriers. Meanwhile, the discovery of potential oceans on moons like Europa raises intriguing questions about what lies beyond our own planet. The explorations of both underwater and space environments have fueled our curiosity and dreams of discovering new worlds.

    • Moon's subsurface oceans on Jupiter and SaturnDiscoveries of subsurface oceans on Europa and Enceladus hint at potential life, but their thick icy surfaces make exploration challenging. Earth's oceans, crucial for life, need protection.

      There are moons around Jupiter (Europa) and Saturn (Enceladus) with global subsurface oceans. These oceans are kept warm due to the gravity stress they experience in orbit around their host stars. The surface is icy, but the water beneath is liquid, making it a potential habitat for life. Realistic estimates put the thickness of this surface ice at about a kilometer, making exploration challenging. Discoveries of hydrothermal vents in Earth's oceans in the 1970s revealed new life forms that could thrive in extreme environments, hinting at the possibilities of what could be found in these subsurface oceans. Sylvia Earle, an underwater explorer, emphasizes the importance of protecting Earth's oceans, as they are crucial for our survival and are the only known planet to support life as we know it. We have the technology, knowledge, and science to reverse the damage we've caused, but the question remains whether we have the wisdom to use it.

    • Establishing more marine protected areas is crucial for ocean healthOcean conservationist Sylvia Earle highlights the importance of protecting more ocean areas, called 'hope spots', to save and restore marine life. The next decade is crucial for progress, and initiatives like Mission Blue and Conservation International offer opportunities for involvement.

      Only a tiny fraction of the ocean is currently protected for wildlife, and we need to establish more "hope spots" or marine protected areas to save and restore the health of the ocean. Sylvia Earle, an ocean conservationist, emphasizes the importance of knowing and caring about these areas, and the next decade is crucial for making significant progress. Through initiatives like Mission Blue and Conservation International, people can get involved by nominating and taking care of important ocean locations. The success stories of these protected areas, like the Birdshead Seascape in Eastern Indonesia, demonstrate the positive impact on fish populations, coral reefs, and local communities. Our connection to the ocean may be rooted in our DNA, making it even more essential to take action to preserve it.

    • Originating from the ocean and connected to the cosmosThe natural world, including the ocean and stars, deeply impacts our existence and can be appreciated through a cosmic perspective, enhancing our connection to the world around us.

      The natural world around us, such as the ocean and the stars, holds deep connections to our existence. We may intuitively feel this connection, but not enough of us explore it further to understand how our lives depend on it. As Scott Adsit and Laurie Katz discussed, we originated from the ocean, and the cosmos continues to impact us in various ways. By adopting a cosmic perspective, we can appreciate the interconnectedness of all things and deepen our connection to the world around us. So, the next time you find yourself watching the sunset over the water or gazing at the stars, take a moment to reflect on the profound impact the natural world has on our lives. Keep exploring and keep looking up!

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    Don’t Panic, take a breath

    I get many messages from the Speak Up For Blue Podcast audience members after they listen to a show where I describe an issue and send me an email saying that they can’t believe we, as humans, can be so stupid to treat our Oceans the way they do. They are angry and shocked and want to yell at the world! I promptly reply for then to not panic and take a breath. They don’t want to approach people who are doing something to contribute to an Ocean issue aggressively and make that person angry for being called out. This attitude will not change the way people act in their lives or towards the ocean.

    Marine Conservation should be conducted in a positive way and provide the chance for people to change their habits. People contribute to Ocean issues without realizing they are doing anything wrong. You and I may be doing something that contributes to the problem every day, but we are unaware. For example, I did an interview with Stu Landesberg, CEO of the Grove Collaborative (formerly epantry), who sold certified eco-friendly cleaning supplies online. He described to me the way products on a store shelf differ from products sent via online purchases. The former has to compete on a shelf with other similar products and they have to last a certain time period on the shelf. The products are often sold in large, bright plastic containers that are not easily recyclable. They also contain chemicals that act as preservatives to ensure the product doesn’t spoil on the shelf. Those chemicals may not be as good for you as you thought (you would be surprised).

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    Think Globally, act locally is a term you probably heard bused by many environmentalists around the world. It’s such a cat phrase that often people use it in jokes, but the statement is so very true especially in Ocean Conservation.

    After you finish panicking, it’s good to take note of the major Ocean issues that we are facing: Plastic Pollution, Climate Change, Overfishing, Water Quality and Coastal Development are just a few of the major issues we not only face, but cause. Each issue is widespread enough that the consequences extend across the Ocean having a Global impact. Breakdown the problem by thinking how you can act locally that will remedy this problem. For example, decreasing overfishing will require you to eat seafood more sustainably and responsibly to avoid fish that are overfished. The Seafood Watch program will allow you to eat seafood with a conscious as the program is updated frequently to allow you to create informed decisions on your meals. I use my Seafood Watch App for my iPhone to ask the waiter or retailer whether the seafood was caught sustainably. If they don’t know, then I tell them that I don’t want the seafood because they don’t know how it was caught.

    Start at home

    It’s always good to start conservation at home as there are so many things that we can conserve including energy, water, plastic, and cleaning supplies covering four of the major issues I mention above. Each conservation action requires a change in behaviour by you and your family, but they don’t require a ton of changes. You can even start slowly by reducing the amount of plastic bags used in your home or eliminate plastic utensils from your house. You can buy a digital thermostat to control your heat/air conditioning by setting it at different temps throughout the day to save on energy.

    Starting your conservation efforts are small but significant changes that can really reduce your Ocean Issue footprint. It just takes a little time to get used to some of the changes, but once you are in the full swing of things you feel better about yourself.

    Become a leader in your community

    Your leadership at home can transfer into your community through actions. It is easy to show others that you care about the state of the environment in your community whether you live by the coast or inland. Debris and plastic pollution is quite hi in the spring after the snow melts. This past spring, my wife and two daughters went out to clean a portion of our neighborhood (after the suggestion by my 6 year old daughter). A neighbor or ours loved the plan and her family joined us as well. We spent half an hour cleaning up and the results were spectacular (8 garbage bags!)!

    Another neighbor, who we didn’t know, was driving by and asked us what we were doing. He thanked us for cleaning up as he saw the value of our efforts. We never expect people to follow after we clean something up, but we know we are leading by example when we do clean ups like these.

    It doesn’t take a lot of time to show your neighbors that you care about your neighborhood, but the reactions are priceless.

    Understand that change takes time

    Rome wasn’t built in a day nor did the ocean change for the worse in a day, so why do we all think that our efforts will change all of the destruction (or stop the destruction) that we have done to the Ocean in one day. Marine Conservation takes time. Sometimes it takes time to see positive results in the Ocean from changes such as implementing Marine Protected Area and/or it could take time to change people’s behaviour that can cause a specific Ocean Issue to get out of hand.

    Marine Conservation requires you to become persistent and patient when trying to change the way people behave (after all, behaviour is usually the problem). Dr. Naomi Rose is a great example of someone who has worked and continues to work hard at Marine Conservation. She works for the Animal Welfare Institute to get captive Orcas and Dolphins released into the wild. We have seen some great strides with captive animals and their road to release over the past year, but people like Naomi are the people who laid the ground work for all of this to happen and she continues to work to get the animals released into Whale Sea-Side Sanctuaries.  

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    Conservation is more than just science

    You don’t need to be a scientist to be in Marine Conservation. There are many scientists out there who do some great work, but they would like to do work rather than take most of their time searching for funding. People with a background in finance, business, marketing, law and other non-science backgrounds can really help secure funding for scientific and conservation projects. Tradespeople can also play a crucial role in Marine Conservation. Science and Conservation require equipment to complete their projects so being an electrician, carpenter, plumber and being good with your hands with a creative mind can really come in handy.

    Conservation is a discipline that requires all professions and backgrounds to become successful. Never count yourself out and be creative as to how you can help.

    Never give up!

    Ask Dr. Naomi Rose if she ever found it difficult to do what she does. Conservation is like an emotional roller coaster. It can be very difficult to reach your end goal. There are numerous challenges on the way to overcome to see small rewards. However, they goals can be reached through teamwork and support from other conservationists. The war to release Orcas is not over, but many battles are being won. Passion for the Ocean is what drives us forward and allows us to rise during the tough times.

     

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    SUFB 194: 7 Ways You Can Conserve The Ocean

    SUFB 194: 7 Ways You Can Conserve The Ocean

    The Marine Conservation community is large and represented from all parts of the Earth. More and more people are entering this wonderful community every day, but they aren’t sure how they can help protect the Ocean to the point that they might give up because the problems are too big and they don’t think they can bring about change. Well, I can’t have that!

    So I decided to list these 7 ways that you can help conserve the Ocean to prevent you from being too overwhelmed. There are many other ways that you can help conserve the Ocean, but I feel that these are good beginner steps to getting what you want and feeling good about what you are doing.

    Don’t Panic, take a breath

    I get many messages from the Speak Up For Blue Podcast audience members after they listen to a show where I describe an issue and send me an email saying that they can’t believe we, as humans, can be so stupid to treat our Oceans the way they do. They are angry and shocked and want to yell at the world! I promptly reply for then to not panic and take a breath. They don’t want to approach people who are doing something to contribute to an Ocean issue aggressively and make that person angry for being called out. This attitude will not change the way people act in their lives or towards the ocean.

    Marine Conservation should be conducted in a positive way and provide the chance for people to change their habits. People contribute to Ocean issues without realizing they are doing anything wrong. You and I may be doing something that contributes to the problem every day, but we are unaware. For example, I did an interview with Stu Landesberg, CEO of the Grove Collaborative (formerly epantry), who sold certified eco-friendly cleaning supplies online. He described to me the way products on a store shelf differ from products sent via online purchases. The former has to compete on a shelf with other similar products and they have to last a certain time period on the shelf. The products are often sold in large, bright plastic containers that are not easily recyclable. They also contain chemicals that act as preservatives to ensure the product doesn’t spoil on the shelf. Those chemicals may not be as good for you as you thought (you would be surprised).

    The point is we live in a world where we waste and consume products that are not good for us or the environment, including the Oceans. It’s good to understand the issues, but don’t get too caught up in the anger and use that anger to change behaviour for conservation.

    Think Globally, act locally

    Think Globally, act locally is a term you probably heard bused by many environmentalists around the world. It’s such a cat phrase that often people use it in jokes, but the statement is so very true especially in Ocean Conservation.

    After you finish panicking, it’s good to take note of the major Ocean issues that we are facing: Plastic Pollution, Climate Change, Overfishing, Water Quality and Coastal Development are just a few of the major issues we not only face, but cause. Each issue is widespread enough that the consequences extend across the Ocean having a Global impact. Breakdown the problem by thinking how you can act locally that will remedy this problem. For example, decreasing overfishing will require you to eat seafood more sustainably and responsibly to avoid fish that are overfished. The Seafood Watch program will allow you to eat seafood with a conscious as the program is updated frequently to allow you to create informed decisions on your meals. I use my Seafood Watch App for my iPhone to ask the waiter or retailer whether the seafood was caught sustainably. If they don’t know, then I tell them that I don’t want the seafood because they don’t know how it was caught.

    Start at home

    It’s always good to start conservation at home as there are so many things that we can conserve including energy, water, plastic, and cleaning supplies covering four of the major issues I mention above. Each conservation action requires a change in behaviour by you and your family, but they don’t require a ton of changes. You can even start slowly by reducing the amount of plastic bags used in your home or eliminate plastic utensils from your house. You can buy a digital thermostat to control your heat/air conditioning by setting it at different temps throughout the day to save on energy.

    Starting your conservation efforts are small but significant changes that can really reduce your Ocean Issue footprint. It just takes a little time to get used to some of the changes, but once you are in the full swing of things you feel better about yourself.

    Become a leader in your community

    Your leadership at home can transfer into your community through actions. It is easy to show others that you care about the state of the environment in your community whether you live by the coast or inland. Debris and plastic pollution is quite hi in the spring after the snow melts. This past spring, my wife and two daughters went out to clean a portion of our neighborhood (after the suggestion by my 6 year old daughter). A neighbor or ours loved the plan and her family joined us as well. We spent half an hour cleaning up and the results were spectacular (8 garbage bags!)!

    Another neighbor, who we didn’t know, was driving by and asked us what we were doing. He thanked us for cleaning up as he saw the value of our efforts. We never expect people to follow after we clean something up, but we know we are leading by example when we do clean ups like these.

    It doesn’t take a lot of time to show your neighbors that you care about your neighborhood, but the reactions are priceless.

    Understand that change takes time

    Rome wasn’t built in a day nor did the ocean change for the worse in a day, so why do we all think that our efforts will change all of the destruction (or stop the destruction) that we have done to the Ocean in one day. Marine Conservation takes time. Sometimes it takes time to see positive results in the Ocean from changes such as implementing Marine Protected Area and/or it could take time to change people’s behaviour that can cause a specific Ocean Issue to get out of hand.

    Marine Conservation requires you to become persistent and patient when trying to change the way people behave (after all, behaviour is usually the problem). Dr. Naomi Rose is a great example of someone who has worked and continues to work hard at Marine Conservation. She works for the Animal Welfare Institute to get captive Orcas and Dolphins released into the wild. We have seen some great strides with captive animals and their road to release over the past year, but people like Naomi are the people who laid the ground work for all of this to happen and she continues to work to get the animals released into Whale Sea-Side Sanctuaries.  

    You need to have patience but still be persistent in your quest to change things for the better in the Ocean realm.

    Conservation is more than just science

    You don’t need to be a scientist to be in Marine Conservation. There are many scientists out there who do some great work, but they would like to do work rather than take most of their time searching for funding. People with a background in finance, business, marketing, law and other non-science backgrounds can really help secure funding for scientific and conservation projects. Tradespeople can also play a crucial role in Marine Conservation. Science and Conservation require equipment to complete their projects so being an electrician, carpenter, plumber and being good with your hands with a creative mind can really come in handy.

    Conservation is a discipline that requires all professions and backgrounds to become successful. Never count yourself out and be creative as to how you can help.

    Never give up!

    Ask Dr. Naomi Rose if she ever found it difficult to do what she does. Conservation is like an emotional roller coaster. It can be very difficult to reach your end goal. There are numerous challenges on the way to overcome to see small rewards. However, they goals can be reached through teamwork and support from other conservationists. The war to release Orcas is not over, but many battles are being won. Passion for the Ocean is what drives us forward and allows us to rise during the tough times.

     

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    The Tree at the End of the World

    The Tree at the End of the World
    A harrowing journey is all in a day's work for a Nat Geo explorer trying to find the world’s southernmost tree. But what happens when a self-proclaimed "normal human being" tags along? For more information on this episode, visit nationalgeographic.com/podcasts/overheard. Want more? Read Craig’s story, and see pictures of the journey and the world’s southernmost tree. A nature reserve in the Cape Horn archipelago has the “world's cleanest rain and cleanest streams.” Learn how scientists are protecting it. Nat Geo Explorer Brian Buma is no stranger to scientific adventures. Read about the time he went into the field with old photos, a metal detector, and bear mace. Also explore: Take a virtual trip with these photos of 19 iconic trees from around the world.   And for paid subscribers: Follow as Craig witnesses “the big meltdown” in Antarctica.   If you like what you hear and want to support more content like this, please consider a National Geographic subscription. Go to natgeo.com/exploremore to subscribe today.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices