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    Former Chief Prosecutor: "We've forgotten about those three little girls"

    enAugust 05, 2024
    What triggered the recent riots in the UK?
    Who is Nazir Absal and what is his significance?
    How did the 2011 riots differ from current disturbances?
    What measures have been implemented to improve police response?
    What impact will the riots have on the justice system?

    Podcast Summary

    • Forgotten TragediesThe recent far-right riots in the UK overshadow the original tragedy and cause fear and uncertainty for innocent communities, emphasizing the importance of not forgetting the victims and their impact.

      The recent far-right violence and riots in the UK, following the deaths of three young girls in Southport, have overshadowed the tragedy itself. Former chief crown prosecutor Nazir Absal, who served during the 2011 riots, emphasizes the importance of not forgetting the girls and the fear and chaos that these incidents cause for communities. The protests, while presented as a response to the girls' deaths, have instead become a platform for political agendas. Absal encourages listeners not to lose sight of the original tragedy and the impact it has on innocent people, many of whom are living in fear and uncertainty.

    • Current situation causing fear and divisionDespite widespread fear and division, the community has shown unity and resilience, with large numbers coming together to prevent harm and show solidarity against intolerance and hate.

      The current situation in the country is causing widespread fear and trepidation, reminiscent of past incidents like the unrest in August 2011 and the racial tensions of the 60s and 70s. The speaker has had to provide reassurance to many people and has been disconcerted by stories of targeting of minoritized communities and vulnerable individuals. However, the speaker has also been heartened by the large numbers of people coming together to prevent harm and show solidarity against those who wish to divide us. The police have bravely put on a front to protect everyone. The most positive outcome of this situation has been the unity and resilience shown by the community in the face of hate and division. It's a reminder that while there are still challenges to overcome, the best of British is also present and will continue to stand strong against intolerance and hate.

    • London disorders 2011 vs current disturbancesThe London disorders in 2011 were more complex and unpredictable due to organized crime involvement, but today there's a better response with a National Public Order team, more intelligence, and a swift prosecution protocol.

      The events of the 2011 London disorders, particularly in areas like Manchester and Salford, were more complex and less predictable than current disturbances due to the involvement of organized crime elements. Back then, the police lacked sufficient intelligence to anticipate where the unrest would spread, leading to a reactive response. However, lessons have been learned since then. Today, there is a National Public Order team that mobilizes officers from different parts of the country to reinforce areas with low police numbers. Additionally, prosecutors are better prepared with a protocol in place to move swiftly when an event occurs. Despite having fewer resources, the police are more experienced and able to respond effectively to potential disturbances.

    • Impact of social media on criminal activitiesThe use of social media and smartphones in criminal activities results in an overwhelming amount of evidence, leading to quicker justice but also making people feel more scared due to constant exposure to crime

      The use of social media and smartphones has significantly changed the way law enforcement handles criminal activities, particularly during disorders or riots. While there was less violence and harm in 2021 compared to 2011, the constant exposure to crime through social media platforms makes people feel more scared. However, the abundance of evidence from body-worn cameras, CCTV, and social media has resulted in a large amount of evidence, leading to quicker justice. People are even pleading guilty due to the overwhelming evidence against them. This shows that while technology has made criminals smarter in some ways, it has also made it easier for law enforcement to bring them to justice. Overall, the impact of social media on criminal activities is a double-edged sword, and it's crucial to find a balance between the benefits and drawbacks.

    • Justice System PressureThe UK justice system is facing significant pressure due to disorder events, leading to court backlogs and prison overcrowding, causing unacceptably long wait times for cases like sexual or rape cases, necessitating urgent reforms

      The current situation unfolding in the UK, following the recent disorder events, is expected to put significant pressure on the justice system. The backlog in courts and overcrowding in prisons are major concerns. The response to the current crisis will be swift and thorough, but it may lead to delays in the processing of other cases. The average wait time for cases like sexual or rape cases is already unacceptably long, and further delays are inevitable. The authorities are currently reassessing their case work for the coming weeks and months to determine what can be put off. This situation highlights the urgent need for reforms in the justice system to ensure timely and effective resolution of cases.

    • Resource Prioritization and False InformationPrioritizing resources for handling public unrest can lead to delays in addressing less serious cases, potentially impacting vulnerable individuals. False information spread through social media can be difficult to disprove, making fact-checking and truthful reporting crucial.

      The prioritization of resources in handling public unrest can lead to delays in addressing less serious cases, potentially impacting vulnerable individuals. Additionally, the widespread use of social media for organizing and spreading false information has made it increasingly difficult for authorities to keep up and maintain truthful narratives. False information, once spread, can be nearly impossible to disprove, allowing it to take hold and influence public perception. Individuals who spread lies are aware of this and use it to their advantage, making it crucial for fact-checking and truthful reporting to occur as quickly as possible.

    • Post-truth society and hate crimesIn a post-truth society, individuals can spread false information and incite violence online without consequence, but authorities are now better equipped to hold them accountable. Underlying misogyny can fuel hate crimes, and it's crucial to address this aspect in public discourse.

      We're living in a post-truth society where people can spread false information and incite violence online without consequence. However, authorities are now better equipped to hold individuals accountable for their actions, as everything posted online is captured and stored. The tragic deaths of three girls in a Manchester terror attack and the loss of a BBC presenter's wife and two daughters to a white supremacist, highlight the importance of addressing the underlying misogyny that can fuel such hate crimes. It's crucial that we don't overlook this aspect of these incidents in the public discourse.

    • Male violence against women100 women are killed by partners or ex-partners every week in the UK, yet the conversation often shifts to other topics, such as immigration. Urgent action is needed to prevent more tragedies.

      Male violence against women is a pressing issue that continues to claim lives, yet it often gets overshadowed by other discussions. The speaker, Nazir Afsal, shared his personal experience of losing three family members to domestic violence and highlighted the alarming statistic of over 100 women being killed by their partners or ex-partners every week. He pointed out that the Manchester Arena bombing, where 17 out of 22 victims were women and girls, was a deliberate targeting of a female audience. Despite the prevalence of male violence, the conversation often shifts to other topics, such as immigration. The speaker emphasized that while immigration is an important issue, it is not the root cause of the violence we are seeing. He urged for a sense of urgency in addressing this issue and preventing more tragedies. The conversation was produced by Catherine Hughes for the New Statesman Film Podcast.

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