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    Harriet Lerner and Brené - I’m Sorry: How To Apologize & Why It Matters, Part 2 of 2

    enMay 08, 2020

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    • Discussing Apologizing and Daily CashbackUnderstand self-worth and context before apologizing or forgiving, defensiveness can hinder the process, and forgiveness isn't always necessary for a healthy relationship. Apple Card offers daily cashback and a 4.50% APY when saved.

      Apple Card offers daily cashback of up to 3% on every purchase, which can be grown at a 4.50% annual percentage yield when you open a savings account. Meanwhile, PopSugar Juntos celebrates latinate culture and provides a platform for conversations on various topics, including Harriet Lerner's masterclass on apologizing. In the discussions, it was highlighted that defensiveness can hinder the apology process, and it's essential to have self-worth and understand the context before apologizing or forgiving. Additionally, Lerner emphasizes that forgiveness is not always necessary for a healthy relationship. The mischief of defensiveness was also discussed, as we're neurobiologically wired to protect our favorite image of ourselves, making it essential to find strategies to move past it and enhance our listening skills.

    • Defensiveness hinders connection and intimacyWhen defensive, we focus on disagreements rather than understanding, hindering meaningful apologies and connection

      Defensiveness and listening are mutually exclusive. Defensiveness hinders connection and intimacy, making it difficult to give and receive heartfelt apologies. When we feel defensive, we tend to listen for what we don't agree with rather than the essence of what the other person is saying. This defensive listening can prevent us from truly understanding the hurt and pain behind their words. It's important to catch ourselves when we're engaging in defensive listening and instead focus on listening with an open mind and heart. No apology holds meaning without careful listening to the other person's anger and pain. We all have an inner litigator that wants to prove ourselves right, but to build strong relationships, we must prioritize understanding and empathy over being right.

    • Mother-daughter conversation about past issueAcknowledging past hurts and understanding each other's perspectives are essential for resolving conflicts and strengthening relationships.

      Effective communication and understanding are crucial in resolving past issues between parents and children. In this conversation, a mother and daughter discussed an unresolved issue from the past when the mother divorced the daughter's father when she was 16, leaving her feeling ignored and vulnerable. The daughter wanted to express her feelings and have the mother understand the impact it had on her. The mother acknowledged the pain caused and shared her own struggles during that time. The conversation highlighted the importance of acknowledging each other's perspectives and feelings, and the need for open and honest communication to move forward in their relationship. Additionally, the mother recognized how her past experiences had affected her ability to form healthy relationships.

    • Mother-daughter communication: A safe space for open dialogueBoth mother and daughter should aim for active listening and empathy to improve future conversations, leading to a more productive and positive exchange.

      Effective communication between a mother and daughter involves being aware of each other's emotions and creating a safe space for open dialogue. However, during a conversation between the two, the mother felt attacked and defensive, making it difficult for her to truly listen and respond. The mother expressed regret for not being able to fully understand her daughter's perspective at the time, but acknowledged that she did the best she could given the circumstances. The daughter, on the other hand, felt frustrated and misunderstood, leading to a negative exchange. To improve future conversations, both parties should aim to slow down and actively listen to each other, allowing for a more productive and positive exchange. Ultimately, understanding and empathy are key components of a healthy mother-daughter relationship.

    • Practicing wholehearted listening in mother-daughter relationshipsTo improve communication in mother-daughter relationships, both parties should listen wholeheartedly, ask for clarification, and recognize defensiveness to create an open and understanding dialogue.

      Effective communication, particularly in a mother-daughter relationship, requires both parties to practice wholehearted listening. This means truly wanting to listen, caring about what the other person is saying, and asking for what you need to better understand. Recognizing defensiveness and the physical sensations it brings is the first step towards overcoming it. Changing the environment, such as going to a new place, can also help facilitate better communication. By practicing these skills, both parties can create a more open and understanding dialogue, leading to a stronger and healthier relationship.

    • Practice active listening and understandingMindfully calm your nervous system, focus on common ground, ask clarifying questions, avoid interrupting, correcting or using disagreements as a defense, apologize heartfully, initiate next conversation, and express gratitude.

      Effective communication involves active listening and understanding before attempting to be understood. This means practicing mindfulness techniques to calm your nervous system, focusing on discovering common ground and agreeable points, and asking clarifying questions to better understand the other person's perspective. It's important to avoid interrupting, correcting facts, or using disagreements as a defense strategy. A heartfelt apology should include acknowledging the other person's feelings and expressing your commitment to continuing the conversation and considering their perspective. By initiating the next conversation and expressing gratitude, you can help maintain open lines of communication and foster a healthy relationship.

    • Deepening relationships through open conversationsExpressing perspectives without trying to change minds leads to better understanding and connection. Acknowledging and respecting differences can deepen relationships and promote growth.

      Having open and vulnerable conversations, even when discussing differences, can deepen relationships and make apologies more believable. Apple Card offers daily cash rewards as a practical example of this, with varying percentages for different types of purchases. Defining differences rather than confronting them is crucial for maintaining a healthy dialogue and setting boundaries. In the context of the conversation, the speaker learned to express her perspective without trying to change the other person's mind, leading to a better understanding and connection. By acknowledging and respecting differences, intimacy and relationship growth can still occur. In the role-play example, the speaker learned to listen non-defensively and understand the underlying reasons for the other person's behavior. This led to a more empathetic and effective communication.

    • Sibling's absence during tough timesAbsence of a sibling during difficult moments can leave lasting emotional scars, and regrets can't change the past, but conversations can deepen understanding and heal relationships.

      During a difficult time in their past, the speaker felt abandoned by their sibling who was preoccupied with their own struggles and working all the time. This absence left the speaker feeling alone and without support during a painful breakup and their parents' divorce. The sibling now regrets not being there for their sibling and recognizes the impact of their absence on their sibling's emotional wellbeing. The sibling also acknowledges the complexity of the situation and the limitations of their ability to change the past. They express a desire to continue the conversation and deepen their understanding of each other's experiences.

    • The Power of Curiosity in Building ConnectionsBeing curious and actively listening can help build deeper connections and understanding in relationships. Strive to improve communication skills to truly hear and understand others' experiences.

      Genuine curiosity and active listening are powerful tools in building meaningful connections and understanding others' experiences. The speaker shared how a therapist's curiosity during their conversation helped her feel truly heard and understood, leading to a deeper and more meaningful conversation. This contrasted with her experience with her father, who lacked empathy and connection. The speaker also acknowledged that not everyone can do this, but we can all strive to be more curious and work on improving our communication skills. The power of being curious was further illustrated by the speaker's personal story of her mother's curiosity during their conversations about her experiences during her parents' divorce. These conversations helped the speaker understand the importance of being curious and the impact it can have on relationships.

    • The complexities of apology and reconciliationUnderstanding our role in the apology process is crucial. Effective communication can facilitate a productive outcome.

      The dynamic of apology and reconciliation often involves a complex interplay between multiple parties. In the story shared, the speaker's father held fixed ideas about intelligence and achievement, leading to a long-standing belief that the speaker's sister was the brilliant one. Despite the speaker's own achievements, including a Nobel Prize, her father's views remained unchanged. This situation highlights the importance of understanding that we have a role in the apology process. Our reactions and communication styles can either facilitate or hinder the possibility of an apology. For instance, in the case of the speaker and her father, the speaker's escalation of the issue made it difficult for an apology to occur. In a work scenario, John, a high-producing and well-respected employee, found himself in a conflict with a colleague. Instead of addressing the issue directly, John's reaction was defensive and confrontational. In this situation, Harriet, a skilled communicator, stepped in to help clean up the situation and set the stage for a potential reconciliation and apology. The story illustrates that the dance of apology and reconciliation is a complex one, involving both the actions of the wounded party and the other party. By being aware of our role in the process and striving for effective communication, we can increase the chances of a productive outcome.

    • Effective Communication in Difficult ConversationsClear and concise language, respectful tone, and proposing solutions can lead to productive outcomes in difficult conversations, while shaming or blaming only escalates the situation.

      When facing a difficult conversation with a boss or superior, it's essential to communicate effectively and respectfully to ensure a productive outcome. John's experience illustrates the negative consequences of an angry, accusatory email. Instead, using clear and concise language, as Harriet suggests, can help present your case more persuasively and increase the likelihood of a positive response. Remember, shaming or blaming the other person will not lead to an apology or resolution. It's crucial to focus on expressing your concerns and proposing solutions, rather than attacking or criticizing. Additionally, be mindful of the medium you choose for communication, as emails can be misinterpreted or taken out of context, potentially escalating the situation. By practicing effective communication and maintaining a respectful tone, you can navigate challenging conversations and build stronger, more productive relationships.

    • Communicating with unwilling listenersFocus on assertive claiming instead of blaming, express thoughts, feelings, and beliefs respectfully, avoid demanding apologies, and write or speak from a place of integrity and maturity.

      When trying to communicate with someone who is unwilling to listen, it's essential to avoid blame and instead focus on assertive claiming. Blaming never works, especially in a workplace, and can even hurt you more than the person you're trying to reach. Instead, define yourself through expressing your thoughts, feelings, and beliefs while respecting others' perspectives. It's also crucial to focus on your feelings rather than the other person's perceived wrongdoings. Additionally, asking or demanding an apology is not effective and can make the situation worse. Instead, write a letter or have a conversation from a place of integrity and maturity, standing on higher ground and being your best self. The healing and growth from such communication should come from the writing or speaking itself, not from the response. If you're not ready for a response, then you're not ready to open up the conversation.

    • Approaching difficult conversations without blame or shameFocusing on feelings and expressing respect fosters understanding and connection, while blame and shame escalate conflict.

      Responding to shame and blame with more shame and blame only escalates conflict and damages relationships. Instead, it's crucial to approach difficult conversations with the intention of being heard and understood. John's letter to his boss serves as an example of assertive communication without blame or demand for an apology. By focusing on feelings and expressing respect, John maintained his integrity and self-regard, ultimately leading to respect from his boss. Contrastingly, responding to shame with more shame, as demonstrated in the event planner situation, only leads to further conflict and defensiveness. It's essential to be aware of our intentions when communicating and to remember that the goal should be to foster understanding and connection rather than escalating conflict.

    • People with low self-esteem struggle to apologizeApologizing requires acknowledging mistakes, but those with fragile self-worth find it challenging, leading to inability to apologize, not due to arrogance or unwillingness, but deep shame and insecurity.

      People who have done significant harm and struggle with apologizing often have a fragile sense of self-worth. Apologizing requires acknowledging mistakes and seeing them as part of being human, which is difficult for those with low self-esteem. Arrogance, as it turns out, can stem from insecurity. Those who are unable to apologize are not necessarily arrogant or unwilling, but rather deeply ashamed. It's essential to remember that their inability to apologize doesn't reflect their love for you. Self-worth can't be given by others; it's something we must cultivate ourselves. When speaking truth to someone who has hurt you, do it to be heard, not expecting an apology. This doesn't mean they don't care for you; it's about the size and strength of their self-worth platform.

    • The power of genuine apologies in relationshipsChoose relationships over being right and perform self-respectful apologies with meaningful actions to repair and strengthen connections.

      Power of genuine apologies and the importance of choosing relationships over being right. The ancient Hasidic parable shared in the podcast highlights the idea that a sincere apology goes beyond just saying "I'm sorry." Instead, it involves taking meaningful actions to repair the relationship. The king in the parable, for instance, did not ask for forgiveness but instead traveled a long distance to meet his son and bring him back. This self-respectful and self-worthy approach to apologies can lead to healing and reconciliation. Additionally, staying curious and open to learning from our mistakes is crucial in performing authentic apologies. The podcast emphasizes that it's essential to choose the relationship over being right and to continue the journey towards repairing the connection. Overall, the discussion encourages us to reflect on our own relationships and the power of genuine apologies in rebuilding and strengthening them.

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