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    Hidden Figures, with Margot Lee Shetterly and Janelle Monáe

    en-usOctober 05, 2018

    Podcast Summary

    • Unsung heroes of NASA's history: mathematiciansThe film 'Hidden Figures' highlights the crucial role of unsung mathematicians, primarily women, in NASA's history, bringing attention to their contributions and impact on space exploration.

      The film "Hidden Figures" accurately portrays the important role of unsung mathematicians, primarily women, in NASA's history. These individuals, whose calculations were crucial to putting the first Americans into space, are often overlooked. The film, while compressing some timeframes for dramatic effect, was meticulously researched by the director and NASA historians to ensure historical accuracy. The collaboration between Hollywood and NASA resulted in a compelling story that brought attention to the contributions of these unsung heroes. Approximately 18,000 people work at NASA, but the impact of their work reaches millions of viewers through films like "Hidden Figures." These mathematicians, who entered the aeronautics industry during World War II, played a significant role in redefining women's roles in the workforce.

    • Women in Male-Dominated Fields during WWIIDuring WWII, women, including African American women, broke gender barriers in male-dominated fields like mathematics and engineering at NACA, leading to the first American in space and significant contributions to NASA and American history by Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Mary Jackson.

      During World War II, when men were away at war, women, including African American women, were given a chance to prove themselves in male-dominated fields like mathematics and engineering. This was particularly true at the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA) in Hampton, Virginia, which later became NASA. Despite being in the Jim Crow South, where segregation was both a policy and a law, NACA, as a federal agency, was not directly beholden to local laws. Women like Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Mary Jackson rose through the ranks, becoming key figures in NASA history. Johnson calculated launch trajectories for the first American to orbit Earth, while Vaughan became the first black manager at NASA and Jackson was the first black female engineer. These women's contributions were not widely recognized at the time, but their impact on NASA and American history was significant.

    • Three Pioneering African American Women at NASAKatherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Mary Jackson overcame societal norms and discrimination to make groundbreaking contributions to NASA, paving the way for American astronauts to reach space.

      The contributions of African American women in the early history of NASA, specifically Katherine Johnson, Dorothy Vaughan, and Mary Jackson, were pivotal in getting American astronauts into space. These women, who began their work in the 1940s, faced challenges such as classified work and societal norms that discouraged open discussion about their roles. Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson, in particular, were trailblazers who refused to let discrimination based on race, gender, or class hold them back. Their stories were largely unknown until recently, and it's important to acknowledge and celebrate their achievements as American heroes. NASA's success can be attributed to its ability to tap into the full American workforce, and these women's fearless determination to fight for justice and equality played a significant role in that success.

    • Women in early computing roles during space raceDiversity and inclusion in workforce increased during national security threats, leading to technological advancements and progress

      NASA's history of space exploration has been a team effort, requiring the most talented individuals, including a diverse workforce. The concept of a human computer refers to a person who computes, and during the early days of aeronautics and space travel, this was often a woman. However, after World War II, women in these roles were often pushed out of the workforce due to societal pressures. It wasn't until the threat of falling behind in the space race that diversity and inclusion became a priority. Technological expansion and opening of the workplace often occur during periods of national security threats, as seen during the space race. The threat of being surpassed by other countries motivated significant investment in research and development, which in turn led to advancements and progress.

    • Space Race: Humans and Computers Working TogetherDuring the Space Race, humans excelled in complex calculations and computers took over navigation tasks, both essential for achieving milestones.

      During the space race of the 1950s and 1960s, both humans and computers played crucial roles in achieving milestones, with humans excelling in complex calculations and computers taking over most navigation tasks. The first contract for NASA's Apollo program was for the guidance computer, indicating its importance. While today's scientists might struggle without modern computers, those in the 1950s and 1960s would have thrived with their slide rule skills. The hardest calculation during the moon landing was determining the precise location of the spacecraft in the moon's uneven gravitational field. Despite modern skepticism, the moon landing is a historical fact.

    • Scientific research during Apollo missions and women's roles in space raceWomen in the 1940s and 1550s faced societal expectations but made significant scientific contributions to the space race during the Apollo missions

      The scientific exploration of the moon began in earnest during the Apollo missions, but even before planting the American flag, the astronauts conducted scientific research. However, the moon's gravity field is not perfectly symmetric, and any mass concentration off-center can affect the orbit. Furthermore, women in the 1940s and 1950s were largely confined to traditional roles, but those featured in the book "Hidden Figures" defied these expectations and made significant contributions to the space race. They were educated, became teachers until marriage, and then were expected to focus on homemaking and child-rearing. Despite these challenges, they persevered and made valuable scientific contributions.

    • Women defied gender roles in computing and space explorationWomen's skills were valued in computing and space exploration during times of labor shortages, leading to significant contributions and paving the way for future generations.

      During the early days of computing and space exploration, women defied traditional gender roles and made significant contributions to these fields. Initially, computing was considered menial work that men didn't want to do, leading to women being hired instead. During World War 2, women were brought in to fill men's jobs due to a shortage of computers and the high priority of research projects. After the war, women's skills were highly valued, and they were often allowed to continue working despite getting married or pregnant. The culture at NASA, being an engineering-focused organization, valued performance over appearance, allowing women to excel in their roles. The first racially and gender-diverse astronaut classes emerged in the late 1970s, marking a shift towards a more inclusive workforce. Overall, women's roles in computing and space exploration were anomalous to societal norms at the time, but their contributions were invaluable and paved the way for future generations.

    • NASA's Early Workforce and Its EvolutionNASA initially recruited heavily from the military, keeping costs low, but has since become more diverse, with about a third of its employees being women. Pioneering figures like Tracy Drain and the first black women hired in 1956 contributed to this change.

      NASA's early workforce, particularly the astronaut corps, was heavily influenced by the military and reflected the demographics of the time. President Eisenhower suggested recruiting military personnel for their obedience and existing security clearances, which kept costs low. However, NASA's workforce has become more diverse over the years, with about a third of its 18,000 employees being women. During this conversation, we were joined by NASA engineer Tracy Drain, who discussed her role as a systems engineer, ensuring all systems of a spacecraft work together. She shared her fondness for the Kepler mission, which discovered numerous exoplanets and changed our understanding of planets and the universe. Meanwhile, during World War II, A. Philip Randolph, a labor leader, successfully advocated for desegregating federal jobs, leading to the hiring of the first black women at NASA in 1956.

    • Hidden Figures: Unsung Heroes of NASA's Space RaceThree brilliant Black women mathematicians played crucial roles in NASA's space race success, yet were largely unrecognized due to racial segregation. Intelligence and creativity are universal, and everyone can make a difference.

      During the space race, unsung heroes, specifically three brilliant Black women mathematicians, played a crucial role in NASA's success. These women, often hidden in the workforce due to their ancestry, calculated the complex equations necessary for rocket launches. Despite their significant contributions, they were largely unrecognized. The East pool and West pool at Langley Research Center symbolized racial segregation, with the West pool being where the Black women worked. Langley, an aeronautic pioneer who failed to fly before the Wright brothers, became the namesake of the research center after his successor, Walcott, paid tribute to him. The story of these women and their achievements, as portrayed in the film "Hidden Figures," serves as a reminder that intelligence and creativity know no boundaries and that everyone can make a difference, no matter their background.

    • Triumph of Imagination and CuriosityImagination, curiosity, and excellence can overcome racial and gender barriers. The women in Hidden Figures proved this by contributing to NASA's space missions despite facing discrimination and skepticism.

      Imagination and curiosity should triumph over fear in order to make progress. The story of the women in Hidden Figures, who defied racial and gender barriers to contribute to NASA's groundbreaking space missions, illustrates this idea. These women, including Katherine Johnson, used their exceptional math skills to help send astronauts to space and bring them back safely. However, they faced significant challenges due to their race and gender, including segregated facilities and skepticism from their male colleagues. Despite these obstacles, they persevered and proved their worth based on their performance. Their legacy serves as a reminder that excellence and inclusion are essential for progress, and that fear should not hold us back from realizing our potential. Ultimately, the value of innovation and discovery transcends race, gender, and other tribal boundaries.

    • Science and engineering unite us allScience transcends borders and unites people, regardless of race or gender, as demonstrated by its history of bringing together diverse individuals.

      Science and engineering have the power to unite people, regardless of skin color or gender. These disciplines transcend borders and embrace a universal perspective. The cosmos does not discriminate, and neither should we. The history of science and engineering demonstrates this, as it has brought together individuals who were once separated by laws and societal norms. As we continue to explore the wonders of the universe, let us remember that science is an international and universal language that connects us all. Keep looking up and let the pursuit of knowledge bring us closer together.

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