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    How AI startups can navigate the legal landscape with Adam Shevell | Wilson Sonsini Startup Legal Basics

    en-usAugust 03, 2023

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    • Understanding Legal Risks of Data Access for AI Model DevelopmentStartups must be aware of potential legal risks when accessing data for AI model development, particularly with regards to copyright infringement. Obtaining licenses or using open-source data are ways to mitigate these risks.

      As startups explore the use of the vast amounts of data required for AI model development, they must be aware of the legal risks involved, particularly with regards to copyright infringement. Intellectual property (IP), such as Disney's Marvel scripts and comic books, or famous chef recipes, are valuable assets protected by law. Scraping data from the internet or using non-commercial databases without permission can lead to legal consequences. While there are ways to mitigate these risks, such as obtaining licenses or using open-source data, it's crucial to approach data access with a clear understanding of the potential legal issues. Copyright holders, like Disney, have spent billions of dollars building and protecting their IP assets, and they will not hesitate to enforce their rights.

    • Understanding Copyright Protection and Fair Use in Data ScrapingBe aware of copyright laws when scraping data and using copyrighted material. Fair use allows limited use but depends on four factors and court interpretation.

      When it comes to data scraping and using copyrighted material, such as art or information from websites like Disney's, it's crucial to understand the concept of copyright protection and fair use. Copyright law gives the owner exclusive rights to reproduce, prepare derivative works, and distribute the copyrighted work publicly. Scraping and reproducing copyrighted material without permission can lead to lawsuits, as in the case between Getty and Stability AI. Fair use is a concept that allows limited use of copyrighted material without permission, but it's subjective and depends on the courts' interpretation of the four factors: the purpose and character of the use, the nature of the copyrighted work, the amount and substantiality of the portion used, and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. It's essential to be aware of these complexities and seek permission or consult legal experts when in doubt.

    • Understanding Fair Use in Copyright LawFair use in copyright law allows limited use of copyrighted material without permission, depending on the nature of the work, the substantiality of the copied portion, and the effect on the market. Purposes like education and commentary may qualify, but legal process can be lengthy and costly.

      The concept of fair use in copyright law is complex and context-dependent. The amount of protection given to a copyrighted work depends on its nature, the substantiality of the copied portion, and the effect on the market. For instance, a work with high artistic merit or a technical manual will receive different levels of protection. Fair use also allows for the use of copyrighted material without permission for certain purposes, such as education or commentary, but only if it meets specific criteria and does not harm the original copyright holder's market. The desire and resources of the parties involved in a dispute also play a role in determining whether fair use applies. However, the lengthy and costly legal process raises questions about the relevance of the court system in addressing the rapid pace of change in the AI industry.

    • Navigating the complexities of fair useFounders must consider the potential impact on original copyright holders and their own strategy when determining fair use. A clear, balanced approach can help mitigate legal risks.

      Determining fair use in intellectual property cases is a complex and uncertain process. Attorneys cannot provide a clear-cut answer about what is and isn't allowed. Instead, founders must consider the potential impact on the original copyright holder's ability to monetize their creation and how the other party perceives the use. The more competitive the use is with the original data owners and the more coherent the strategy, the lower the risk of future legal issues. It's essential for founders to articulate their balanced approach to this risk when seeking venture investment. The fair use test is a pragmatic decision-making process that requires careful consideration of all the risks involved.

    • Open Source Software and AttributionOpen source software requires attribution and permission for use, even if it's free. Failure to provide proper credit and written permission can lead to lawsuits.

      Open source software comes with licensed terms that require attribution and permission for use, even when the software is freely available. GitHub and other entities are currently being sued for not providing proper attribution when using open source software in their AI models. The debate revolves around the need for linking back to the original creators and providing proper credit, as well as obtaining written permission when in doubt. Some data sources, like Craigslist, have strict policies against unauthorized use and should be approached with caution. The pragmatic approach depends on the specific data source and the potential consequences of using it without permission.

    • Considering data usage trends and ethicsStartups should obtain permission to use others' data and link back to original sources. Calculated risks can be taken, but potential consequences should be considered.

      As data becomes more valuable, companies may shift towards a pay-to-use model. It's essential for startups to consider this market trend and obtain permission when using others' data. However, for resource-strapped startups, taking calculated risks can be necessary. If using someone else's data, link back to the original source, and consider the potential consequences. For instance, if someone is using entire episodes of a podcast and monetizing them, it's important to address this issue promptly. Overall, it's crucial to be thoughtful and considerate when using others' data while also being mindful of potential risks and contingencies.

    • Properly crediting and linking back to the original source is crucial when using content created by others.Give credit and link back to original sources for respect, potential monetization, and legal reasons. Experimentation without monetization should be framed as such and taken with feedback.

      When using content created by others, it's crucial to give proper credit and link back to the original source. This not only shows respect for the creator's effort but also allows for potential monetization and data tracking. However, if you plan to experiment with using content without monetization, it's essential to frame it as an experiment and take feedback in good faith. Additionally, be aware of potential legal consequences, as seen in the $60 million judgment against Rad Pad in a scraping dispute. The case of Andy Warhol vs. the original photographer of a photo used in one of Warhol's paintings highlights the importance of the fourth factor, market impact, in copyright infringement cases. This could make it more challenging for companies using internet data for training models to argue for fair use based on transformative use.

    • Understanding the boundaries of derivative worksDerivative works must be transformative enough to avoid infringing on original creators' intellectual property rights. The market impact and licensing are also crucial considerations.

      While creating derivative works can be inspired by existing ones, it's crucial to ensure that the transformation is significant enough to avoid infringing on the original creator's intellectual property rights. The Andy Warhol case illustrates this, as the Supreme Court focused on the licensing of the image rather than the fair use of the original work as a basis for the derivative piece. The discussion also touched upon the importance of understanding the market competitiveness and potential impact on the original creator. For instance, referencing Tarantino's films as inspiration does not hinder the original creators, as the transformative nature of the derivative work can lead to increased recognition and revenue for both parties. Additionally, the conversation highlighted the significance of copyright and fair use in the context of music and art, with examples from Prince's iconic guitar solo performance at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Warhol's famous paintings. In conclusion, being mindful of the original creator's rights and the transformative nature of derivative works is essential in the creative industry, ensuring a balance between inspiration and intellectual property protection.

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      Building a successful startup requires a strong foundation in various areas, including finance, marketing, and operations. The founders' mindset and resilience are crucial in navigating the challenges that come with starting a business. Seeking guidance and learning from experts and resources like "This Week in Startups" can provide valuable insights and practical advice. Remember, every founder's journey is unique, but having a solid foundation and a growth mindset can help overcome obstacles and increase the chances of success. For more information, check out "This Week in Startups" and their annual basic series for further insights.

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    Woke Google Maps, how Wells Fargo is losing money on fintech, and the global AI race | E1967

    Woke Google Maps, how Wells Fargo is losing money on fintech, and the global AI race | E1967

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    Lessons in Unreasonable Hospitality with Will Guidara | E1966

    Lessons in Unreasonable Hospitality with Will Guidara | E1966

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    (0:00) Will Guidara of Unreasonable Hospitality joins Jason.

    (3:44) Important premises from the book Unreasonable Hospitality and how it relates to all businesses including startups.

    (6:26) Will explains how it felt to see parts from his book appear on the hit show The Bear.

    (8:13) Iconic examples of hospitality and how it can turn customers into advocates for your brand.

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    (11:08) Powerful examples of going above and beyond for your customer.

    (14:32) Will’s annual “The Welcome Conference” in NY.

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    (22:13) Jason shares an anecdote of how he helps others.

    (24:17) Will and Jason riff on interesting examples of unreasonable hospitality, including one that should exist for airplane passengers.

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    (32:12) A perspective shift that changes the value of call centers.

    (36:03) How the show The Bear lifted Will’s ‘NY street hotdog’ story and made it their own - leading to his involvement for future seasons.

    (40:21) Will feels that The Bear was able to craft and articulate his message spot on in one of their best episodes.

    (42:22) How to gain from the addictive personality traits in the restaurant business.

    (51:15) The “Chicken for Two” at the NoMad hotel.

    (53:31) Breaking down the state of tipping culture and how its removal from Eleven Madison Park was highly successful.

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    Inflation cools, how Waymo handled a crash, and the next startups to go public | E1965

    Inflation cools, how Waymo handled a crash, and the next startups to go public | E1965

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1cxo27o/waymo_car_crashes_into_pole/

    https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/12/24175489/waymo-recall-telephone-poll-crash-phoenix-software-map

    https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/13/waymo-recall-crash-software-self-driving-cars/

    https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/12/waymo-second-robotaxi-recall-autonomous-vehicle/

    https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/AAPL?qsearchterm=aapl

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

    https://x.com/ashugarg/status/1800658425040253309

    https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US2Y

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/fed-meeting-fomc-interest-rate-decision-cpi-inflation-june-2024/card/traders-firmly-expect-a-rate-cut-in-september-q8qGgjh8jorUx56RBpK8

    https://kalshi.com/markets/ratecutcount/number-of-rate-cuts#ratecutcount-24dec31

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/12/fed-meeting-today-on-interest-rate.html

    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/databricks

    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/gusto

    https://archive.is/fGJav#selection-2217.0-2226.0

    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/shein-b79e

    https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001514587&owner=exclude&count=40&hidefilings=0

    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/turo

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    en-usJune 12, 2024

    Apple’s WWDC 2024: Reactions, Highlights & Breakdowns with Jason and Alex | E1964

    Apple’s WWDC 2024: Reactions, Highlights & Breakdowns with Jason and Alex | E1964

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    (31:07) Discussing the relationships between OpenAI and Microsoft and now Apple.

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    (40:25) Jason breaks down other key announcements from WWDC 2024 including a password manager and Apple TV’s new “Insights”.

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