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    How Bad AI-Generated Code Can Ruin Your Day: Conversation with Matt van Itallie of SEMA Software

    enMay 28, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • AI-generated code risksUnderstanding and managing risks associated with AI-generated code, such as inaccuracy and potential hallucinations, is crucial for organizations as adoption rates increase.

      While generating code with AI is an intriguing concept, especially for non-programmers, it's essential to be aware of the potential risks involved. Matt Van idly, the founder and CEO of CEMA, discussed the importance of understanding the presence and implications of AI-generated code in software. He likened this to open source code, which is widely used but comes with risks that organizations manage to mitigate. Gen AI code is an excellent idea due to its productivity benefits, but it also poses risks such as inaccuracy and potential hallucinations. As AI-generated code adoption rates increase, it's crucial for organizations to manage these risks effectively.

    • GenAI risks and challengesGenAI offers speed and efficiency but poses risks such as unreadable code, intellectual property concerns, and potential security issues. Businesses must consider these challenges and take appropriate measures to mitigate them.

      While using Generative AI (GenAI) for coding can offer significant advantages in terms of speed and efficiency, it also comes with unique challenges that businesses need to be aware of. The code generated by GenAI may not be maintainable or understandable by humans, and could potentially carry intellectual property risks if not customized to the specific organization. The technical due diligence process during the buying and selling of companies is already beginning to evaluate the extent of GenAI use to ensure valuable intellectual property remains. However, there is currently no clear legal framework for copyright protection of AI-generated text, and companies that heavily rely on copyright protection for their software should consult their legal counsel. Patent protection, on the other hand, may still be possible for ideas generated using GenAI since the human comes up with the idea and then uses the tool to carry it out. Furthermore, GenAI can also introduce unexpected issues such as suggesting fake packages or libraries that don't exist, which could lead to your product not working or even introducing security risks. Providers are working hard to address these challenges, but they remain a concern. In summary, while GenAI offers exciting possibilities for coding, it's crucial for businesses to be aware of the potential risks and challenges and take appropriate measures to mitigate them.

    • Role of developers in AI-generated codeDevelopers will continue to manage and oversee AI-generated code, ensuring its safety, accuracy, and contextualization, while AI assists in production. Developers are essential in the digital transformation, responsible for evaluating quality, managing IP risks, and ensuring code is ready for sharing.

      As technology advances, the role of software developers continues to be crucial, especially in ensuring the safety and accuracy of AI-generated code. The internet outages and potential risks associated with software malfunctions, such as those affecting health, safety, or intellectual property, highlight the importance of having a human in the loop to oversee and manage the process. Developers are not being replaced by AI, but rather, they are becoming managers of the process, working alongside AI to produce high-quality, contextualized, and safe code. Developers will continue to be essential in the digital transformation, as there is still much to be automated and digitalized. They will be responsible for evaluating the quality of AI-generated code, managing IP risks, and ensuring code contextualization. Developers are like tireless interns, producing a lot of output but requiring guidance and support, and their work needs to be edited before it's ready for sharing. The future of code is a conversation between the developer and the AI, with the developer acting as a manager, coach, or pair programmer, to produce excellent results.

    • GenAI safetyUnderstanding the difference between pure and blended GenAI is crucial for ensuring safety and maintainability of AI-generated code. Human oversight and tools are necessary for evaluating AI-generated code.

      Understanding the difference between pure and blended GenAI is crucial for ensuring the safety, security, and maintainability of AI-generated code. Pure GenAI refers to code produced directly from a prompt without any modifications, while blended GenAI is the modified version of the generated code. The risk primarily comes from excessive use of pure GenAI, and it's essential to know the proportion of pure and blended code in a system. Developers need tools to identify the AI-generated code and human oversight to ensure its accuracy. Evaluating AI-generated code is a complex problem due to the vast amount of code and the numerous software languages. The CEMA detection engine, which identifies GenAI, has made significant progress but is not perfect. Human intervention is necessary, especially during the initial evaluation. Working with a virtual team, as is the case for our firms, is effective for accessing global talent. However, some argue that in-person collaboration leads to better innovation and teamwork. Despite this, our remote team, spread across 20 countries, has been successful in delivering high-quality AI solutions.

    • Remote teams values and communicationClear communication and shared values are crucial for effective remote teams, particularly in software engineering where independent work is common. Remote-friendly policies benefit parents and caregivers, and remote-first or blended teams offer flexibility.

      Building and maintaining powerful, distributed teams requires intentional effort and communication. Values are essential, acting as the company's DNA, and clear communication preferences are crucial for minimizing energy drains. Remote or distributed teams are particularly suitable for software engineering, which is primarily independent work, similar to novelists writing their novels. Additionally, remote-friendly policies are beneficial for parents and caregivers, allowing them to balance work and family responsibilities effectively. Overall, the speaker advocates for remote-first or blended teams due to the nature of software engineering and the flexibility it offers for employees. The speaker is optimistic about the transformational potential of generative AI and believes that, with proper regulations, we can reap its benefits while minimizing risks.

    • Technology acceptancePublic fear and unease may hinder the widespread adoption of advanced AI and automation, despite potential benefits, due to the desire to maintain control. Historical examples and self-flying airplanes and self-driving cars illustrate this point.

      Despite the potential benefits of advanced AI and automation, human fear and the desire to maintain control may hinder their widespread adoption. The speaker used the examples of self-flying airplanes and self-driving cars to illustrate this point. While these technologies could potentially be safer than human-controlled alternatives, public fear and unease may prevent their implementation at scale. The speaker also referenced historical examples, such as Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle," which led to food safety regulations due to public concern over health risks. The speaker expressed optimism that humans will find ways to regulate AI and prevent potential negative consequences, but acknowledged that this may be driven more by fear than a desire to improve working conditions or other positive outcomes. Overall, the discussion highlights the complex relationship between technology, public perception, and regulation.

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