Improving health outcomes and quality of life

Francesca Falzarano is an assistant professor of gerontology at the USC Leonard Davis School. Her research is inspired by her personal experience as a caregiver to her parents and explores how to improve the mental health and well-being of family caregivers, including through the use of technology.

On young caregivers

“I think right now it's estimated that five and a half million individuals are under the age of 18 are caring for a parent or some family member with chronic illness, mental health issues, dementia-related illnesses, and other age-related impairments. So, this is something that's becoming more and more pervasive, and the needs of adolescents are going to vary extremely, and they're going to be extremely different compared to what my needs were as a caregiver versus what a spouse's needs are going to be.”

“I talked to a ton of first-generation Gen Z caregivers who have really been at the forefront of their loved one's healthcare interactions since they were young teens, just translating and digesting information that a doctor is saying and communicating it to the rest of the family. So there's a lot of burden that we're placing on these individuals without simultaneously understanding what their unique needs are.”

On dementia caregiving

“If you think about dementia itself, it's got a very unpredictable disease course where most of that time is spent in dependency, and you have a variable lifespan anywhere from four to 20 years.  So what we are learning is that there are so many things beyond just the caregiver's direct care tasks beyond what they're just doing in the care environment, like bathing or dressing or feeding that go into the caregiving role that individuals are not getting support for, whether that's managing finances, making end of life decisions, navigating the labyrinth that is Medicaid and Medicare, talking to healthcare professionals. It's essentially all of these roles and responsibilities that unfold over time is what we would dedicate one expert to take care of in our, in our school or department. And we're expecting caregivers to have learn on the fly and typically they're getting support and help in crisis.”

“We learned that caregivers are expecting or anticipating the information, about what to expect about what the disease will look like and about how their responsibilities are going to unfold from the primary care physicians. But as our, my caregiver participants have said, it's a situation of diagnose and adios. So there's very little follow up, there's very little ongoing support that's provided.”

On long-distance caregivers

“Long-distance caregivers... their biggest challenges that they face is that intersection with the formal care system, being able to get adequate communication and information about their loved one's care.  And really just feeling involved and being able to adequately manage all of the responsibilities involved in keeping someone safe, but also in terms of their doctor's appointments and their medications and the people that are physically providing care.”

“I think we need to do a better job at educating the clinicians and the care providers that just because an individual is not in person does not mean they're not a caregiver and they're not really involved in all of the work that goes into that.”

“The prevalence of dementia is just going to continue to increase and the likelihood that we'll have to provide care for somebody we love is very high. The likelihood that we'll have to do it more than once is also very high. And so really kind of my goal is to normalize caregiving the way we normalize parenting the way we provide all the resources and follow up for somebody who's going on maternity leave and about to give birth to a child. And that we need to start looking and viewing caregiving in a similar way and normalizing it and reducing the stigma as much as possible so we're not embarrassed or ashamed of our circumstances, but we can use it to empower ourselves to get the support we need.”

On technology

“Technology has really opened a lot of doors, particularly in research and behavioral interventions to kind of alleviate stress and poor psychosocial outcomes. We've finally kind of looked at technology as a way to broaden opportunities for these individuals who might not be able to leave the house otherwise.”

“I think technology can come in because a lot of the issues with the healthcare system and connecting caregivers to formal supports is we don't have enough human bodies in a room to take the time to assess each caregiver to give them the personalized support. We don't have the staffing, the time, just the capacity and technology can really help us improve and personalize that support beyond human capability.  And so if I go on Netflix and Netflix can recommend what I want to watch next, Amazon can tell me what I want to buy next. I can go online and use AI to pick out an insurance plan, to pick out what my skincare routine is or my birth control. Why are we not using technology to give more tailored, targeted and precise support to caregivers?”

“I think technology can help bring their desire for personalized caregiving navigation to fruition. And I also think it could bring the possibility of a one-stop shop where caregivers can get educated, find resources, connect with other caregivers, and not struggle to find the information and help they need. I think that becomes a lot more feasible when we bring in technology.”

“I’m working on two tech-focused research projects right now. One of them is kind of, alluding to what I was just talking about, is the development of a self-assessment and referral platform where caregivers can get a sense of what areas they need the most support in. And using AI and machine learning to generate targeted referrals to kind of make the pipeline between identification, assessment and referral more seamless.” 

“I think this is another great thing that we can leverage technology for, is how do we engage people with dementia as well? And so a second research project I'm conducting with my colleagues at Weill Cornell, is a reminiscence therapy web-based platform where, and reminiscence therapy is pretty widely used in clinical settings. There's not as much empirical research done on reminiscence therapy, but we know that it helps the person with dementia recall memories. We know that music and all of these different interactive, prompts and activities done within reminiscence therapy could be really therapeutic for care recipients. And so, and typically in institutional settings they're kind of very general and it's facilitated by a clinician or a therapist in a nursing home. And we are creating right now a reminiscence therapy web app where caregivers are facilitating these activities and documenting meaningful memories with the person with dementia. It's something that they, they can do together. It's something that they can engage in that can promote relationship quality, help with feelings of grief that are so pervasive in both caregivers and patients.”

Lauren Brown is an assistant professor at the USC Leonard Davis School. Her research uses publicly available data to uncover the unique difficulties Black Americans face in maintaining physical and psychological well-being as they age. Her lab both challenges the methods used to study older Black adults and strives to increase diversity in data science research with the goal of increasing the visibility of Black and Brown people via data and storytelling.

Quotes from the episode

On the role of racism in biomedical and statistical sciences and disease prediction

If you think about the history of statistics and where it starts from, the earliest statisticians were actually also eugenicists. And a lot of it stemmed from the fact that Black people at the time that the census had started were property. And it was a way to count and keep up with property until we get to a point in the early 1900s when we start recording actual race in the census and colored being one of the options that you could check. And that being a way we kept track of Black populations, unfree, Black populations in particular, but also freed as well. And that transition of having Black people in the census started what was eventually used as studies that were confirming or trying to confirm biological and genetic inferiority among Black people.  

So once Black people were started to be included in the census and started included in medical research, clinical research, that research was usually often to compare Black people to white people with the innate goal to say Black people had more muscle mass biologically and genetically or smaller brain circumferences and justify it would a way to justify slavery by suggesting that the biological and genetic inferiority was a part of how Black people became slaves and would justify their continuation as slaves. So you fast forward to today that legacy of, of genetic and biological inferiority in medical, and statistical analyses has now manifested in things like race norming, where we're actually saying like, there are adjustments we use for Black patients in the clinic to justify whether they do or do not qualify for care strictly based on race. And a lot of it is based on false statistics that eugenicists had originally been pushing in the early 1900s.

How injustice through data and storytelling affects the health and wellbeing of Black Americans

When you think about like an individual, how this may affect one individual Black person, like for example, if we think about George Floyd's killing in 2020, his death originally was considered in the autopsy report performed by the medical examiners due to prior health conditions. They originally blamed his underlying health conditions and drug use as the cause of death. It was only after the family got an independent autopsy that they were able to show that the death was a homicide that then implicated Derek Chauvin and the Minneapolis Police Department, as responsible for the death and the knee on the neck. So this idea of blaming Black biology, is something that persists, I think, in larger society and that the biological inferiority is the cause and the precipice for Black death, and that it's not at all the function of society when actually now we know, you know, based on a lot of great research that the social environment is much more responsible for the fact that Black and Brown people often live shorter lives than white people or any other race and ethnic group in the US. We often live with more disease and disability at the end of life. And a lot of that we know is now it’s social conditions, it's discrimination, it's racism, those are at the forefront. But the research doesn't always follow that line of thinking because of the history and the legacy that still exists that we're still combating. And this new level of science is trying to push up against this idea.

On diversity in population studies 

It’s been really obvious that a lot of the measurement and the things that people use to measure the wellbeing of Black life is really centered in white populations. And it's not innate or particular to the lived experiences of Black and Brown people. And so I think oftentimes we miss the real story that's happening up underneath a lot of Black health and aging specifically because those studies weren't designed just for Black people. They were designed for all aging populations and to monitor the aging of populations over time.  

The ethical considerations if you're leaving a whole group of people out or if you're not intentional about measuring their aging, is that you're not able to predict their clinical progression or able to assist their aging process in a way that's meaningful for them. We're doing everything much better for white populations than we are for minoritized populations. And so that the injustice is embedded in the structure of how these studies often come about. And the intention around what I want to do in this work is to help magnify the voices of Black people in these studies so that they more accurately represent the aging experience so that we can get better at predicting disease, preventing disease, and ensuring better aging process.

On the Linked Fate Data Collective 

Linked Fate Data collective is a group of activists, of scholars, of students, of people who are interested in expanding their data science tools in order to promote the accurate depiction of the aging and the living process or the lived experiences of Black and Brown people. The idea being that, you know, most of the data science spaces are very white and male and often then reflect the values of people who are white and male. And I am very passionate about creating a space that looks and feels different for the people that I would love to bring into the data science realm. And you know, how we do that, I think, you know, there's a lot of argument about the pipeline issues of how we get people into data science or how we get people the skills to be able to do this on how we get Black and Brown people interested in data work. 

The inception of the name Linked Fate comes from a term that was originally used in African American studies. And the term was referring to block voting in Black populations where African Americans vote primarily Democratic with this idea that, you know, their fate is connected to the fate of the larger group. And so, there’s an interest in finding a collective voice in order to impact change and power. And that's really what I named this space after is that we have collective voice in data and it's the power of an individual magnified by many that gets people something that's powerful with the data work. And so that's really what this Linked Fate Data Collective is trying to do, is bring underrepresented groups and people and their ideas into a space that will honor the data science that we want to see in the world. And that is not perpetuating scientific racism, that's not perpetuating a lot of the genetic determinism and the things that some of the current science and medical and clinical spaces are perpetuating.

On the Black mental health paradox

One of the things I like to do in my work is move away from these disadvantaged narratives that really plague the aging story of Black Americans. Most people are very interested in the weathering and accelerated aging of Black Americans, when really there's a lot of trends that suggest that's not the only way that Black Americans are aging. That it's not just weathering stress aging faster, that there are also a lot of other processes that don't act so linearly. One of them is that mental health paradox, which is this data artifact that has been found in like five nationally representative samples now that despite having higher stress burdens, despite facing discrimination, despite having lower socioeconomic status, so lower education, income and wealth and despite having worse physical health, Black Americans have lower rates of depression relative to white Americans. 

So this could exist for many of reasons. It could really be a data artifact and it just could be that we are not measuring either mental health and depression in Black people in the way that it manifests so that we can measure it. Or it may be that we're not measuring the stress that's most impactful for Black Americans. And so we're not really capturing the stress burden. And so, we don't understand how that translates to mental health. And a lot of the work that I'm doing on the paradox is in that exact realm, which is that the stress experience is not being fully captured for Black Americans. And it’s not acknowledging the coping response that Black Americans can use in order to fight the adversity that they're facing. So, my idea here is to restore agency to Black people. That you're not just the sum of your stress exposures, you're also able to react and respond to those. And we have a lot of agency in responding to that and a lot of historical agency and a lot of lessons generationally passed down. And that's a really important way to acknowledge both the incredible hardship that Black Americans face in this country in growing old, both psychologically and physically. But it's also acknowledging our ability to fight back at the same time. And it's already happening. You know, it's not like we need an intervention for it or something else to do for it. Black people are already doing this and you can measure that. So yeah, it's a cool project.

On the Fatal Encounters research project

So motivated by the George Floyd murder in 2020 me and a colleague, Dr. Terrence Keel at UCLA recently got a RSF, Russell Sage Foundation grant. We're basically going to this data source called Fatal Encounters. It is a data source that crowd sources all of the police involved deaths that have happened in the United States. So, we are going to this data source and we are looking in LA County and we are finding the names of people who've been involved in police related deaths that have not involved firearms. That's because firearm deaths are very straightforward, can typically labeled the death as a homicide because you know, the act of shooting. But for non-firearm deaths like George Floyd, those are more arbitrary and harder to prove homicide and the autopsy reports can be very misleading, especially by the medical examiner and the coroners. And those autopsies are public in LA County. We're taking the names going to get all of the autopsies from the medical examiner/coroner. So, we have like 320 autopsies from 2000 to 2020, and we're trying to create a data set that represents how people are being classified in terms of cause of death and if there's any other indication of, you know, markings on the body some type of conflict that happened during the process. So, it's any interaction with the police out on the street or in LA County Jail. So, we have both of those data sources and we're able to try to say something about what's happening to a lot of these people, especially Black men whose moms are also very interested in understanding what happened to their kid. And so, the project is really motivated from that space.

On the lack of diversity in genomic data

In genetic sciences, you know I think 80% of our genetic and genomic data is from European ancestry populations, even though only 16% of the world is European ancestry. So, there's this huge imbalance in what we know about genetics because we only know what's happening among European populations. It's not, they're even telling people right now to not do genetic work in Black and Brown populations because we're not sure what we're finding is accurate because we don't have good training data. And the way genetic sciences work is that training data, everything is based on a reference population and a training population. It's not dissimilar from early eugenics where everything is compared to whites. You're constantly comparing Black and Brown people to white people. And if that's the way you're starting, it's going be a story that's rooted in inferiority and rooted in comparison and not necessarily rooted in the true story that should be unfolding that you can unfold when you're not trying to make those comparisons. So that's happening really horribly in the genetic sciences where you have dominant European frameworks and genetic data. You're trying to say something about other types of people and it's really not working, and scientists know that, but they're continuing to just do work on European populations.

Patrick Corbin is an associate professor of practice at the USC Gloria Kaufman School and an internationally renowned dance artist whose career has spanned over 30 years and bridged the worlds of classical ballet, modern and contemporary dance. He recently spoke to us about his work, exploring the positive effects that dance can have on neurology.

On movement and movement therapy

Well, on a neurological level movement is cognition. Movement stimulates cognition.  So that's sort of the sciencey part. The other part is that dance is a multifaceted, multilingual way of movement, and we're actually in a duet from the time your mother becomes aware of you in the womb, you're already in a duet with her. So you're dancing before you're born. We come into this world dancing and we dance through life. So, it is intrinsic to our development. So why shouldn't it be also important to therapies and things?

Movement therapy can range from anything from occupational therapy and living with different disorders to dance class or performative sort of therapies. Also, movement therapy can be sports anything obviously involving movements.   

Exercise can look like so many different things, and that's why we are getting in touch with each other and starting to work together. Because the more fun the exercise, the more people are going to do it. Dance is fun; therefore, people are going to do it and keep it going. 

On the benefits of dance in general

There are a whole host of different areas where dance brings people together.  We dance at parties; we dance at weddings we dance, and we don't even know that we're dancing. So, anybody who says, “ugh, you know, I'm not a dancer, I can't dance.” You know you don't even need two legs because that's even ableist going on. 

Do you move through space and do you like music? Then you dance and it's doing something good for your brain.  Because of course, we focus on people maybe with disabilities or syndromes or some kind of situation that way, but actually dance is just really good for everybody, you know?

It's all about community. You don't have to do dance in a group setting, but often we do.  So, it's always keeping that active, curious, creative form of connection going with others. And also, it makes you feel a little sexy, right? So why shouldn't somebody who's 80 years old who has Parkinson's feel a little sexy?  I think that's one of the best things that dance does, it puts us in touch with that sexier self, that sassy self, where you can express so many things through it. And I think that's one of the great gifts it can bring to anybody.

On the benefits of dance for people with Parkinson’s disease and other conditions

The anecdotal evidence is just massive, right? Everybody has stories about their family member who just started going to dance class and their quality of life changed.  So, the scientific evidence is quite strong. Also, especially when you're talking motor skills, gait, and speed. 

When you're talking about the, the experiential evidence we want to talk about dance as, once again, this multifaceted art or form of exercise that brings together other domains other than just the motor. So, you have the sensory, you have the motor, you have cognitive, you have social, emotional, spiritual, rhythmic, and of course your creative process. 

So, what does that do to the whole person, right? What does that do for somebody who may be, have become isolated for whatever reasons? And, and I'm going to go across the board here with many different kinds of disabilities that this is, these are often invisibilized populations when you're talking about elders or when you're talking about, especially in the past, children with autism, or for instance.

Now, one thing I did witness at one time is sometimes what happens the slowing happens so much, or the automaticity is so in decline that an actual freeze will happen.  And so there are different ways that you can cue people out of a freeze. And this is specifically in Parkinson's. So, the person who was teaching our class said that when one of her students froze at the door, she just said, no, just do your waltz. Do your waltz and waltz into the room. And they were able to cue themselves in waltz into the room where they were completely frozen and couldn't take a step.  So those are the kind of things, immediate things that we actually see in real-time. 

On USC’s Dance and Ability course focused on people with Parkinson's

The goals for the course in a broad sense as far as the University and USC Kaufman goes, is that have been wanting to do something that was truly interdisciplinary since I landed here on campus eight, almost nine years ago. And it's been that gentle pressure and getting to know different people. And then that finally culminated this year in getting funded by Arts and Action, which is a great funding organization on campus here at USC that I was able to bring together Giselle Petzinger and Michael Jakowec from Keck Medicine and Neurology.  We brought the OT school; we brought the PT school into it. We brought John Walsh from Gerontology.  We worked with a community group in Pasadena called Lineage Performing Arts Center where we designed this course together.

So, I want to give our students a chance to use their fierce intellects and their fiercely intelligent bodies to start changing things in the world and to start understanding that your research in the studio is real research and it has real effects on people's lives.

And the best thing about it, and this was my greatest hope, and was sort of the greatest payoff, was the intergenerational connection that came with our students getting off this campus and going to work with an elder population in Pasadena. And we were just dancing together and the love that filled that room, that number one, are students valuing these amazing people, right, that are, that are dancing through this these elements of trauma in their lives. And those folks up there, you know, maybe viewing young people in a different light than they possibly have been lately…It's all about connection. So, we can sort of complain about the lack of connection because of social media, but what are we doing about it? So that's, that's the other thing I want to do is create a community. And that's what happened. It was really kind of magical up there.

On the benefits for caregivers

In Parkinson's the caregivers if joining into class are getting every bit of spiritual physical, feedback reward that anybody involved in the classes…The caregivers when we went to Lineage, I noticed that they were taking time to sit and read a book and maybe do a little self-care on their own if they weren't joining in, some were joining in.  And so, I know that it offers a respite, and it also offers a moment where they can view the person who's in their care as a dancer, right? As they're doing something, that maybe they're too afraid or don't feel able to do. So that's sort of a power dynamic shift that's kind of a beautiful thing too.

When I was working with the children with autism, one of the services that we were providing was a respite for these parents who I mean, these were, these were working-class people in Carlstadt, New Jersey that could not leave their child unattended ever, right? Incredibly intelligent, these kids, one was a computer whiz, and he would go in and just wreck all of the computers.  So, I realized that they could go and have a cup of coffee and maybe be just a couple for 45 minutes.  So, I know that that's also something that any kind of service you're providing that, that is community and group-oriented, you're taking care of the whole family. And that's another thing that I wanted to impress upon the students. And they got it. The students really, really stepped up.

On cross-campus collaboration

So, the structure of the class is it's all in the studio, but we have lectures. So, we will have two lectures in a row and then a creative session, then two lectures in a row, creative session.  And then we also peppered three times throughout the through that were field trips, field work that will be again in Pasadena in the spring, and of course in the fall will be in Culver City. So, we have whoever might be available to do the lectures. What we tried to do is we tried to give some kind of background in whatever we're studying. So, we had a few lectures with the neurologists about Parkinson's, just what it is. Then we had a creative session with the practitioner from Lineage Performing Arts Center and myself, who was training in dance for Parkinson's at the time.  and then we rinse and repeat that cycle over with somebody from occupational therapy, in gerontology, in physical therapy. And then we would wrap it up again with the neurologist coming back into it.  And throughout that we're then putting it into action or putting it into practice when we, when we visit on the field trips.

It's just a dream come true. And because I've been, you know, researching on my own just as a curious person in the world and doing so much reading and watching films and sort of diving in on a pretty deep level to some of these things that then when I'm sitting in a lecture with Gisele Petzinger and Mike Jakowec  or Dr. Walsh or Lisa Fukuzato from Occupational Therapy or Marisa Hentis, that as a dancer coming into this academic space that I know something and I know something that is valuable, and I've been able to bring these things together because I knew that there was a there there, and it just needed a spark to come together. So that was the most gratifying and invigorating, edifying takeaway from this whole experience is so that dancers in general, artists, I should say in general, can walk into these spaces and have a conversation with a neurologist, and we can have a real conversation about science because I've done the work. So, I want that to be apparent that we're, we're all doing our research, whether it's in the studio or whether it's in the laboratory. Yeah. 

On dance and aging

And of course, there are issues in the field. It's getting better.  Also, our perceptions as ourselves as aging bodies is different. You know I, as a 58-year-old going on, 59-year-old person don't feel old in this body at all. Whereas, my mom, God rest her soul, my mom at even at 40, she felt she perceived her aging body differently. So culturally that is changing in a broader sense. And so that is of course, filtering into dance in general. There are very few opportunities for aging dancers, but they are specialized and they, some of them are very high level but when you're talking about performing, it's the same sort of ageism and ableism that you have in any other sort of aesthetic process like acting, dancing, anything like that. But it's getting better. I'm working on it on a daily basis with my students. I'm like, you should be able to keep up with me, , look at me. I'm strong. You know?  And also, what I want to impart to my students in general is that if we take care and accept our bodies where they are and honor our bodies at each stage or season in life, then we can express through them instead of shutting down and becoming isolated. Share your aging body as a thing of beauty.

Connie Cortes is an assistant professor of gerontology at the USC Leonard Davis School. Her work straddles the fields of neuroscience and exercise medicine, and she recently spoke to us about her research seeking to understand what is behind the beneficial effects of exercise on the brain with the goal of developing what she calls “exercise in a pill” therapies for cognitive decline associated with aging and neurodegenerative diseases. 

On brain plasticity and brain aging

Brain plasticity we define as the ability of the brain to adapt to new conditions. And this can be mean something like a disease, it can mean something like stress, it can mean something like learning, and it can also mean something like aging. Our brain is actually quite plastic and can respond to a lot of these stimuli. Now, brain aging is a slightly different component to that where we think about what happens during the brain as we get older, the normal wear and tear. What are the differences and the similarities as well between a 75-year-old brain versus a two-year-old brain? 

What we've come to understand is like most other aging tissues, an aging brain begins to suffer from wear and tear just like a car would and that's where regular maintenance and regular checkups come in. … But essentially things at the biological level begin to slow down and as they slow down, that can affect the way our neurons fire and therefore we get age-associated decline in cognition and memory.

On why exercise is good for the brain health

That’s one of the questions that my lab is trying to answer, but in the field of exercise medicine, we've come to appreciate that exercise is very good for the brain, and it appears to do so in multiple ways. It can affect your cardiovascular health, which has a direct impact on the brain as far as blood flow and essentially clearing the brain out of things it doesn't need. The other way is delivering, metabolites and essential nutrients to the brain during exercise we make a lot of these things that get into our blood and eventually transfer through the blood-brain barrier into the brain. And so as far as the biological mechanisms of how exercise is good for the brain, we really, truly don't know yet. But that is why this field is so exciting and I think we're poised to answer these questions in the next five to 10 years. 

On whether exercise can prevent or slow cognitive decline or diseases like Alzheimer's that are associated with aging

For actually many decades now, we have had anecdotal evidence from the clinics that aging populations that are active, physically active, and or exercise have significantly lower levels of age-associated neurodegeneration, as well as just age-associated cognitive decline. And it's only been in the past, I would say 10 years that we've come to appreciate that it is truly the exercise activity. And so what we find is that consistently, no matter what markers of brain health we look at, those aging populations that are sedentary tend to do worse than those that are physically active. And so the field now is extremely interested in trying to understand why this is happening and can we kind of use these mechanisms and these targets as new therapies down the road.

On efforts to develop “exercise in a pill” therapies

We all know a hope that exercise is good for us. However, the most at-risk populations that we are trying to help, especially here in the school of gerontology, are populations that usually cannot engage in the level of exercise required. Now in the field, we're still trying to define what an exercise prescription is, but you may have heard you know, three times a week, 90 minutes a day, uh, some sort of cardio. And something that raises your heartbeat, uh, that is, has come from exercise studies in young people. However, elderly populations are sometimes suffering from additional medical conditions or sometimes there's a financial constraint or even an accessibility constraint, and they just cannot engage in that level of exercise. And so what we are trying to figure out is can we design exercise in a pill to perhaps allow them to receive the benefit without having to get on a treadmill three times a week?

On when to begin exercising

So that's the good news. It doesn't matter when you start, you will always get benefits. So for those of us that are a little bit more on the sedentary side, that's the good news. Now the better news is, is that yes, the earlier you start, the better. But this goes back to this concept of brain plasticity. The brain will respond to these interventions that promote neurotrophic signaling no matter how old you are, which is great for us from a therapeutic standpoint. And so the recommendation of remaining physically active is, start as soon as you can. And today is a good day to start.

On the muscle-brain axis and how our muscles and brains communicate

One of the challenges that we face in the field of exercise medicine is that exercise changes everything. And so we are always stumbling around this roadblock of, are the changes that we're seeing in our studies, the chicken or the egg, is it a cause or a consequence? Are they driving the benefits that we see or they just a response of the system? And so by narrowing down how different tissues communicate with each other during and after exercise, we're trying to answer this question of who is responsible for driving the benefits. And we focused on skeletal muscle because as you can imagine, it's one of the biggest responders to exercise. You need it to get on the treadmill, you use it to start lifting weights. And so where, first of all, trying to figure out how skeletal muscle responds to exercise and also how this changes with age.

And what we have come to understand is that during exercise skeletal muscle secretes messages into the blood circulation that we believe are essentially talking to the brain and telling it to do better. And if we can identify these messages, then we can probably deliver them in the form of medication and therapy. And so this muscle-to-brain axis we believe is essential for the brain benefits of exercise, and we're hoping to use it to start, uh, prioritizing some of these targets for therapy.

On exerkines

The field of skeletal muscle physiology has known for a very long time that it's an endocrine organ, that it secretes things as it communicates with the rest of the body but the fields of exercise, medicine, skeletal muscle physiology and neurobiology have only started talking to each other in the past five years. And so there's an entire field of research now, um, called the field of exerkines, exercise-associated cytokines, things that come out of skeletal muscle and other tissues during exercise that may be some of these responses that were going after.

On rethinking Alzheimer's as not only a disease of the brain

Since Alzheimer's disease, was first identified over a hundred years ago now, we've thought about it as a disease of the brain, but recently we've come to appreciate that it may be a disease of the body and the brain is just the most sensitive organ to it.

So in Alzheimer's disease patients if you examine some of their blood markers, some of their heart markers, some of their muscle markers, they're actually very different compared to healthy control populations. And so we are coming to appreciate the fact that despite the fact that the brain resides behind the blood-brain barrier and we thought it was isolated from the rest of the body, it's actually in direct communication and conversations with the rest of the body and the periphery. And so in our lab, we truly believe that skeletal muscle can influence the rate at which the brain ages and or develops things like Alzheimer's disease.

On differences in how males and females respond to exercise

It is only recently that the field is realizing that we don't know what the female brain does in response to exercise. However, from the clinical perspective, we do have some indications that women might be in a position to receive the most benefits from exercise interventions. And this comes from the current understanding that, for example, uh, women are the most at risk for developing Alzheimer's, and exercise is such a potent intervention against it. And so in our lab, we're currently beginning to tease out the sex differences associated with brand responses to exercise and trying to see what might be different. And we have some really interesting findings where, um, after exercise, the hippocampus particularly, which is the area that degenerates during aging and during Alzheimer's disease, it's where we store memory and cognition and it's also the, the brain region that responds the most to exercise. We have tremendous differences in the way the hippocampus is remodeled after exercise. So the biological responses might be unique to one sex or another, which again, provides us unique areas for intervention for either men or women or perhaps combinatorial approaches across sexes.

 

On future work looking at circadian rhythm and exercise

Yeah. So, I mentioned we're very interested in sex differences to exercise interventions. Genetics is another huge one. In the lab, we are constrained by our genetic homogeneity of some of our animal studies. And so integrating some of the human studies to bring in this genetic diversity is going be fascinating and then circadian rhythms is another one. Some of the listeners may actually notice by themselves that they prefer to exercise in the morning or at night, and that has to do with your own circadian rhythm as well. And so perhaps we could also identify not just the best type of exercise for you, but also the best time to do it to maximize the benefits that you may receive. So in the lab, the way we are approaching this is we're using this integrated approach of neuroscience, exercise physiology and gerontology, but also using across platforms.

 

So we go all the way from basic cellular biology to animal modeling to human studies, and then all the way back to cells in a dish. In particular, I'm very excited about a new animal model we've created that despite never running on a treadmill throughout its entire life, the brain is responding as if it's exercising. And so by using this animal model that doesn't need to exercise, but displays the benefits of exercise in the brain, we hope we can start to prioritize this chicken and the egg question that I mentioned -  what is important and what is driving the benefits? And we're going to use these animals as a platform to prioritize drug targets to start testing in the near future.

 

On small changes to promote brain health

It's never too late to start. It's never too late to change some of your behaviors and your habits. And the power of very small things to have a huge effect is something that I don't think we quite appreciate. So something as simple as going on a walk around the block once a day, just getting some sunshine, especially now that the rain is finally breaking, that is incredibly helpful, changing your diet a little bit. You know, drinking one less soda a week can have a huge impact on different outcomes in your body. And so thinking about small changes rather than radical, big changes that are very difficult to maintain can help a lot.

 

On the importance of mentorship, access and diversity

This is an essential component of who I am as a lab leader and as a scientist, I'm a strong believer in, um, opening doors for those coming up behind me, uh, simply because one of the reasons I'm here is because mentors open doors for me. And so I'm returning the favor. I'm particularly passionate about historically excluded minorities in STEM. I myself am a Latina scientist, and there are not enough of us out there and I truly believe that all of us belong here, and it's through diversity of ideas that we're going figure out these big questions with major impact to human health. And so ever since I was a grad student, I've worked tirelessly to, like I said, uh, bring in junior investigators, mentor junior investigators, and make sure that my lab is a welcoming place for anybody that's interested in the research that we do. I've mentored, undergraduate students, graduate students, postdocs, and now other junior faculty.  I've spoken at multiple of my professional societies. I've given career mentoring workshops. Sometimes I've come to realize a lot,  a very small thing, like I mentioned earlier, can make a huge difference. Students that look like me, that see me up there on the podium realize that they can do it too. And so that's commitment to science. Accessibility and diversity in science is a huge thing for me as well.

On her Minute Science video series

I started the very video series a couple of years ago because I kept seeing all of these misconceptions around science and especially about the brain. It's something I've been interested in since I was an undergraduate student, and I love the brain and so I realized that sometimes, especially as scientists, we tend to use language that's very difficult to follow. We love our acronyms, so many acronyms all the time. And even in talking to my parents and talking to my husband, they will give me a very confused look. And I've realized I've defaulted to using very complicated language, and I came to appreciate that it doesn't need to be that complicated. We are not an ivory tower anymore. We need to share our science with the public. Our research is funded by federal tax dollars, so the federal taxpayer should know what we're doing and they should be able to communicate with us and learn about what we do. And so that was the purpose of my minute science video series that I hope to continue sometime soon, um, once my schedule clears up a little bit.

And so we talk about things like, you know, is it true that you, you only use, you know, you don't, you never use your entire brain at the same time. Or is it really true that you can be right brain and left brain, but not both? But does it mean when people, people say the lizard brain, um, is it true that your olfactory system is the first one to respond to memory and why? Things like that.

Dr. Roberto Vicinanza MD and PhD and instructional associate professor of gerontology at the USC Leonard Davis School, and a specialist in geriatric medicine, joins us for a conversation about healthy aging, including tips on how to keep the body and mind functioning for as long as possible.

Quotes from this episode

On the importance of setting small goals

"People may have all the good intentions, but they might set up goals that are too ambitious and then when they don't reach that goal, they feel frustrated, and they quit… We have to let them understand that goals must be small…So, an apple a day. We have to eat the apple a day and be happy and recognize when we reach three or four days in a row that we are eating the apple, right? So celebrate the success even of small, very small goals."

On keeping your diet simple

"Diets cannot be too restrictive for a long period of time. The majority of people will give up.  It is important that diet needs to be easy to follow, but at the same time needs to be healthy. When we talk about a simple diet, we are now referring on something that needs to be easy to follow, but also simple in terms of the way we make food. So we have to eat in a very simple way. So, avoiding ingredients that are maybe tasty, but not that healthy. And sometimes they also cover the, the real flavor of, of food.  We have this tendency to add always sauces and creams and other things on food that actually cover the real flavor of food and also contain a lot of saturated fatty acids, heat and sodium, sometimes sugar. So, we increase these calories by adding something that we don't really need. Diet must be simple in terms of the type of diet that we have, but also in the way we cook and prepare dishes."

On the benefits of the Mediterranean diet

"So, the results that, that we have referred to the traditional Mediterranean diet, which is characterized by high consumptions of fruits and vegetables, cereals, legumes, extra virgin olive oil, nuts, and a moderate intake of fish, and a low intake of dairy products and meat products. So, we do have robust evidence suggesting that high adherence to these dietary patterns is linked to positive health outcomes, in particular for cardiovascular diseases, dyslipidemia and diabetes.

But another important result was that the adherence to Mediterranean diet was inversely associated with a number of medications. So, patient who were more adherent to Mediterranean diet, they also used less medication. 

Another interesting observation that we found was related to depressive symptoms and comorbidity. When we analyze our data, we found out that the relationship between comorbidity and depressive symptom was high in older adults…In patients with higher adherence with Mediterranean diet, this correlation was weaker. When Mediterranean diet adherence declines, this relationship was stronger. So Mediterranean diet played seems to play a crucial role in mediating the relationship between the presence of comorbidity and depressive symptoms."

On the importance of physical activity

"Although we don't have big clinical trials on physical activity, we have small, randomized control trials showing that certain level of physical activity, may have some benefits in terms of improving the cardiovascular health and, utilization of glucose in the muscle in modulating inflammation, improved cognitive function and physical performance. Some of the benefits that we have from being active and also exercise regularly include an improvement in the cardiac output improving the health of the heart by improving cardiac contractility, oxygen uptake. And we know that we don't have to do long sessions of exercise or being extreme physically active. Already, if we walk between 45 to 75, 85 minutes a week, we can already see some benefits. Of course, the more we exercise, the more benefits we see, but at some point we reach a plateau."

On sarcopenia

"With the aging process, there is a decline in our muscle mass, strength and also performance. And this phenomenon is called sarcopenia. The level of physical activity, the changes in the hormones that occurs in older adults the amount of proteins that we eat when we are old all of these factors may contribute to the onset of sarcopenia, and also the progression of some sarcopenia.

In terms of dietary intervention for sarcopenia, it is important in older adults to maintain an adequate protein intake. Recent studies suggest that older adults need to ingest between one to 1.2, 1.3 gram per kilogram a day of protein to sustain their muscle mass and functionality. And this amount can also be adjusted based on the body composition."

On weight management

"Weight management is a complex problems and obesity is a complex condition that can lead to health problems, including cardiovascular disease, diabetes ... but weight is not the only parameter that we should take into consideration when we talk about weight loss in particularly in older adults.

So, it's not only important to monitor the fat content and the weight, but also evaluate the composition of the weight. There is some studies and meta-analysis conducted in older adults showing that even if the BMI is likely higher in older adults, this is not really associated with overall risk of mortality. So, on the other hand, if the BMI is low, below 22 or 23, the risk for mortality increased. Why that happened and why this has been observed, because of course, malnutrition may have some serious consequences in older adults.

Weight fluctuations is another risk factor. So not only being underweight, but also this fluctuation of weight in older adults may have a negative effect. So, it's good to have a stable weight, preserve our muscle mass, do not rely only on the weight on the scale, and have an evaluation of the body composition. "

On stress

"Stress is an adaptive mechanism that allows the body to perform better in certain circumstances and situations, and to cope with temporary threats. However, when process become chronic these adaptive mechanisms of the body become destructive. Chronic activation of stress can alter our metabolism, can disrupt our endocrine system, including the reproduction, the reproductive system, glucose metabolism, but it can also affect our immune system and other many cell function. And all of these can accelerate the aging process. Now we also known that chronic stress may affect also our chromosomes. A large body of evidence has linked stress with shorter telomeres, and shorter telomeres are associated with cellular, aging, inflammation and chronic diseases."

On healthy aging

"Aging is a dynamic and complex process where biological, psychological, environmental, and behavioral factors are involved. And the complex interactions of these factors explain, at least in part why there is significant inter-individual variability in the way we age. But it also suggests that modification of some of these factors, when possible, can also slow down the aging process.

I think that we cannot feel satisfied by considering healthy aging only when there is absence of disease. I think we should be a little bit more ambitious and consider aging as a physiological process that despite all the biological changes that occurred during this process, allow us to maintain an adequate physical, mental, and social wellbeing by preserving not only our basic functions, but also our functional reserve and functional capacity as long as possible. This will have a tremendous impact not only in terms of quality of life, but also or our loved ones and the community will live."

Dion Dickman, associate professor of neuroscience and gerontology, joins George Shannon to discuss how the nervous system processes and stabilizes the transfer of information in healthy brains, aging brains and after injury or disease. 

Quotes from the episode:

On synaptic plasticity:

“Synapses are essential, fundamental units of nervous system function and plasticity is this remarkable ability to change. And throughout early development into maturation and even into old age, synapses just have this amazing resilience to change and adapt to different situations and injury disease, things like that. So synaptic plasticity is really the essence of what it means to grow and mature and change throughout life. Things like learning and memory all depend on changes in synaptic function and structure and it's really a key area of research for many of us.”

 On challenges to maintaining nervous system stability:

“You can imagine in the incredibly complex environment of your brain, where neurons are making synapses with thousands of other neurons, that itself is a big challenge to maintain stability. Sometimes I'm kind of amazed that we don't walk around like raving lunatics half the time and our brains remain stable. When you think of disorders of excitability or stability, things like seizures and various forms of defects in cognition ultimately come down to not being able to stabilize or maintain your neural circuit function. And this really just comes down to normal development that all of your nervous system has to stay stable and your synapses are the key substrates to maintain stability.” 

On the aging brain:

“.. a lot of studies are showing is that this cognitive decline that happens in aging really is ultimately due some sort of a maladaptive reduction in plasticity. And it's kind of amazing, but, young humans, our brains are remarkably plastic and resilient, and that resiliency and plasticity seems to degrade over time and into old age… We think as old age happens .. people's memories start to lapse, even in the absence of any disease, they're not quite as sharp. We think this all ultimately comes down to some limitations imposed on neuroplasticity and that's a major area of the research.

On studying diseases like schizophrenia, which cannot be seen in brain imaging:

“There are no good biomarkers for neuropsychiatric diseases like schizophrenia and bipolar and things like that. So, there are basically two ways to study these kinds of diseases. One is through behavior where you try to get animals to model behaviors that mimic neuropsychiatric diseases. There's some good work happening rodent systems. Although I find it to be honest, very difficult to know whether a mouse is showing the defect in social interaction, for example, that are characteristic of autism or schizophrenia for that matter. So the alternative instead is not to actually model the disease in drosophila or mice, but to take humans in which we can mine their genetics to find genes highly associated with the disease in humans and find out what the fundamental function of these genes are. And that's kind of the strategy that we take.

So we found about 30 genes now that when mutated in drosophila give rise to defects in this process of homeostatic plasticity at synapses, and the vast majority of these genes have links to human diseases that give rise to neuropsychiatric diseases like autism spectrum disorder, schizophrenia, seizure disorders and, bipolar disorder as well. And so I think by understanding the fundamental functions of individual genes, we can extrapolate what might be happening in humans when those genes aren't functioning properly.”

On the importance of sleep:

“…one of the most fascinating questions in neuroscience, or really science more generally is what is the function of sleep? What is the essential function of sleep and what role does synaptic homeostasis and disease play a role in sleep behavior? So, it's quite interesting that almost every neuropsychiatric disease has a sleep disorder associated with it. That's already very interesting. If you look at schizophrenics, their sleep patterns tend to be very fragmented. Whereas people with depression, chronic depression seem to sleep too much, much more than is needed and many neurodegenerative diseases of old age like Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's one of the earliest predictors of these are sleep dysfunction at earlier stages and there's also many studies that have shown that if you treat the sleep dysfunction, you can improve the symptoms of neuropsychiatric disorders. A schizophrenic, for example, might get if you improve their sleep, their symptoms, cognitive symptoms seem to improve children with autism spectrum disorder have, big defects in sleep behavior during development. And it's thought that if you treat the sleep defect, you can improve the phenotypes of autism. So a lot of research seems to be showing that synaptic homeostasis and plasticity and sleep behavior and disease all share really important and synergistic links between them. And I think that really is the major challenge for the future is to understand what happens to synapses during sleep. What happens to synapses during various neuropsychiatric diseases and can this intimate relationship between sleep and, and synaptic plasticity be targeted as a way to improve and treat psychiatric and neurodegenerative diseases.”

On bringing a multidisciplinary approach to research:

This is a big advantage, I think of especially working at USC, in, you know, straddling different schools like Dornsife and gerontology and really being able to throw everything we can in our toolkit at a question or a problem. So, our lab is a drosophila genetics lab. We do neurogenetics. But we do electrophysiology to understand how synapses function we do basic imaging to see synaptic structures and how they work. But we also do a lot of super resolution imaging. Now we've got a super resolution microscope that we've recently purchased that allows us to look at the nano architecture of synapses and how they might change during defects and plasticity and disease. And finally, we're doing things like calcium and voltage imaging to really see the dynamics of how, you know, visualize plasticity happening in real time or dysfunction happening as they go on. So I think having a large toolkit to throw everything we can at a question really lets you see the same problem from many different perspectives.

On the value of basic scientific research:

“Science is for me a curiosity driven process. It's great that there are ramifications to disease and health and humans, but what initially inspired me was just to understand how does nature work and how does the nervous system work. And so I want to just say supporting basic research, basic science, even if it doesn't have any direct implications on disease right away, I think is really important as part of scholarship, as part of what we at the mission of our university, but also just as our world. I think to study basic processes and just understand how nature works and then the applications of them with all evolve. You know CRISPR CAS9, as many of you have probably heard about, all came from basic research and now it is going to revolutionize health and disease.”

Kelvin Davies is a Distinguished Professor of gerontology, molecular and computational biology, and biochemistry and molecular medicine at USC. Over the course of his career, he has played a central role in defining the pathways and mechanisms by which the body is able to maintain balance under stress and in uncovering the role aging plays in disrupting this balancing act. He recently joined Professor George Shannon to discuss his research on how the body is able to maintain balance under stress and the implications it could have for preventing age-related disease and decline.

 

Quotes from this episode

On the concept of adaptive homeostasis

“So every organism that we've looked at is able to adapt to stress. And I'm talking not about psychological adaptation, but adaptation at a cellular or molecular level. And we've been working on what are the pathways which that adaptation occurs. And what we came up with over a series of a number of years is the concept of adaptive homeostasis.

“What we found with adaptation is that successful adaptation actually involves the turn-on of a number of genes, a key one being something called NRF2. And NRF is a sort of a master regulator that turns on about another 200 genes. When I say ‘turn on,’ what I mean is that those genes start making their protein products. So the code in that gene starts being read, turned into a protein product. Thousands of proteins are then made. Many of them at least are enzymes that have a job to do. And all of those enzymes have a role in enabling you to adapt.”

On adaptive homeostasis and aging

“As organisms age, the capacity for adaptive homeostasis declines. That's been true in everything we've looked at all the way from bacteria to yeast, to worms, to flies, to mice.

“NRF2 activity is modified in aging. And so it doesn't work as well … And the reason we think that happens is that there's another gene that's turned on in aging that inhibits NRF2 responsiveness. It turns out that that gene might actually be helping to protect you against cancer. So one of the things that cancer cells are very good at is avoiding stress and adapting to stress. And in fact, NRF2 works really, really well in most cancer cells, better than in normal cells. So it looks as if the body is adapting to age by inhibiting its own NRF2 thus decreasing adaptive homeostasis in order to diminish the increase in cancer. We all know that cancer increases with age. Maybe it would increase twice as much if you didn't have this offset by inhibiting NRF2 in the cancer cells. And the price you pay is that you're also inhibiting NRF2 in your normal cells at the same time.”

On understanding the role of enzymes and backup systems

“What we've learned over the years is that the body treats important enzymes much more like the way that NASA treats important components in a space shuttle. In other words, if something is important, let's have a backup to it. And if it's really important, let's have a backup to the backup. And if it's life-threatening, let's have a backup to the backup to the backup. And the problem is when you knock out one enzyme if you don't know if there's a backup enzyme to that one, then, and that takes over, then you'll completely mask the effects you're seeing.

“We had a great example of that in my lab several years ago where we found an enzyme that was induced during chemical stresses that stopped DNA being read. So basically protein RNA synthesis and protein synthesis were stopped by this particular enzyme that got turned on during stress situations. If you inhibited that enzyme, it didn't make any difference because there was a backup to that enzyme. And if you inhibited the backup, it didn't make any difference either because there was a backup to the backup. So it turned out what was really important in cells is that if you're being stressed to the point where it could be lethal for that cell, all of these things will get turned on simultaneously and any one of them can do the job. You're willing to spend the extra chemical energy, so to speak, to turn all of them on to make sure that you don't die from the stress. So that, that's why I think just looking at one enzyme or another is not the way to go. And I think most people would follow that ethos today.”

On the role of sex in the adaptive response

“What we found is that the females adapt better than males. Females generally lose less of their adaptive homeotic capacity with age than do males. So sorry, men we’re losing out there. And also curiously, and this we don't understand, female flies responded to certain oxidants very well and others less well and males responded differently to different oxidants than did females. So there were some oxidants to which males responded relatively well [and] females didn't respond well and vice versa. This is sort of the power of molecular biology.

“These days, we are able to do experiments with flies, where you can switch the sex of a fly from male to female or female to male. We wanted to do that basically to see whether or not we were right about the maleness or femaleness of the adaptive response. And it turns out when you switch a male fly to a pseudo female or a female to a pseudo male, genetically, they exactly switch their adaptive homeostatic capacities to the new sex.”

On future research directions

“So everything basically in physiology is explained by homeostasis, but the homeostatic range is flexible and you can change it by training and by doing various other things. I think what we're seeing is the beginning of understanding how that process kicks off, or those kinds of processes kick-off, how they begin that involves NRF2 and similar enzymes and similar genes. But then after the initial response, if you're looking at a long-term adaptive response, that's a whole different set of genes and set of proteins that are involved that we're only at the very, very beginning of understanding I would say.”

On the importance of being a mentor

“If you're going to be an educator or a professor, it should be a major part of what you do. I've been fortunate enough to receive several mentoring awards, and I'm very proud of them. And I think they're some of the most important work that I've done.

“Over 30 postdocs have gone through my lab over the years and a similar number of PhD students have done their PhDs in my lab. Many of them have gone through and done their work very well. And, and we've said goodbye, and I see them occasionally and others of them are family members … They are literally a part of Joanna, my wife and I, my family; we see them all the time. We are very close to many of them and follow their careers and have had relationships with some for over 30 years. It's a really a joy in terms of some of the best aspects of being a university professor. I think it's one of the things I've enjoyed most, I must say. And hopefully I've been able to be of some help some of those people over the years and to occasionally steer them in the right direction.”

Kate Wilber is the Mary Pickford Chair in Gerontology and director of the Secure Old Age Lab at the USC Leonard Davis School. She's also the co-director of the National Center on Elder Abuse, which is housed at the Keck School of Medicine of USC. She recently spoke to George Shannon about her research, including her work exploring ways to provide long-term care services and supports that allow older adults to be as independent as possible and the challenges and opportunities that technology provides in this area.

Quotes from this episode

On building on lessons learned during the pandemic
“I think a lot of what we saw were challenges that we already knew were there - how fragmented services are, how older adults can be at risk of isolation, how important the home community-based services and programs and opportunities to interact are for everybody. And I think showing the importance of community, which we didn't have during the pandemic, except a bit on social media and phone calls and maybe people getting together outside. So the key question is, how do we take the learning and the recognition of what we already knew into the future to build on these important lessons, to do better with our aging service delivery? I was going to say our aging service delivery system, but that's a huge problem. There isn't a system; there's just a lot of different components of a system.”

On innovations in long-term care and supports

“We have to prepare for an aging population. And until recently I felt like we didn't do that great a job preparing, but I see a lot of exciting innovations, which to some extent may have been jump-started a little bit because of the challenges of the pandemic. We have a variety of models of senior living and I think we're going to see more innovation there or the innovations that have been developed take off because they did better in the pandemic too. So if we look at what kind of care was best for older adults who maybe were isolated or need long term services and supports during the pandemic, how do we build on that? And how do we make sure that we translate what we know into reasonable programs and policies.”

On barriers to implementing technology solutions

“People not only need to have some kind of device. They need to have broadband, it needs to work. And we've seen that in some parts of the country, especially in rural areas, broadband it's not available. All the things we take for granted, electricity, water, et cetera, how much is this an essential service that we’ll do a better job providing across the nation in areas where it doesn't exist very effectively now. And then as I said, how do we help people learn? And what are the particular cultural competencies required for trainers? What are the different uses that people want? This gets back to being person-centered and engaging the people that will be the end-user users and understanding what's most effective for them.

There are still a fairly large proportion of older adults who don't have access to any sort of computer; some have smartphones. And there is this notion, I guess, if we build it, they will come. Or if we give it to them, they'll use it, it would be the way of talking about that. But there's a variety of barriers. And if you hand somebody a box with a computer in it and say, ‘There you go, you're now going to go on the other side, the right side of the digital divide.’ They're not. So what can we learn about how to help people use technology in a way that is useful for them effective, meaningful?”

On telehealth

“So this will be a time saver. I think that's pretty clear, but the nursing facilities have to invest in it. The staff have to invest in it. They have to learn how to do it. And one of the things we're seeing is they thought the residents would be the most resistant and they're not. They're like, ’Okay, if I can see my doctor this way, fine.’ But I think the question is, how is it used, where is it most effective and where is it not a good replacement for a physician coming to the facility? So, there's a fair amount of literature developing on this, but I think there's so many exciting innovations that are rolling out and we need to build on what we're learning and make them better and be more effective in the next generation of telehealth and facilities and helping people on the digital divide connect. So all these things are really exciting opportunities to learn how to connect.”

On person-centered care

“So the idea behind person-centered care is that people have different needs. Of course, they also have different preferences, different preferences for care and for services and for supports and for contributing and giving back and primarily and mostly as with all of us, for controlling their lives and the decisions that are made. So person-centered care recognizes that the power should live with the individual in terms of the ability to make decisions about care informed decisions. But I think sometimes, we, as professionals can see, oh, this would be best for this person. And professionals are extremely busy also. And so it kind of overlooks sometimes the person's needs and preferences and working in areas like elder mistreatment and elder self-neglect. A lot of times people have legitimate reasons for wanting things that we don't necessarily think would be the best choice, but person-centered care asks us to really get in touch with what's behind those preferences. And to what extent can we ethically honor them and this is something I see the field doing a much better job thinking about and working on and great things have been written. And the American Geriatric Society a few years ago had an expert panel come together and develop a definition and sort of protocols for this. And I think that's really moving the field.

One more thing I'll say is that ageism contributes here. So we make assumptions about older people that they can't express their preferences adequately. And providers talk to the caregiver, not the older person. Or they say this is what needs to be done. So I think there's also a culture change of recognizing that it's about the older person. And we start with the older person, and that's not to say that there aren't age-related increased likelihoods, but not inevitabilities of memory issues and things of that kind. And so we need to be clear that the person has the capacity to express their preferences, but we start with person-centered. The elder is the person who whatever is happening is happening on behalf of, or for, or with. And that's where we start.”

On students

“That's our future. … Our legacy is you see the students that go through our program and they're very excited about learning and they bring innovation and enthusiasm, and then they go out and do wonderful things and they become the leaders of the field. And you could see that across the board in so many areas.”

Rong Lu is an associate professor of stem cell biology and regenerative medicine, biomedical engineering, medicine, and gerontology at USC. She joins George Shannon to discuss her research into the complex and surprising behavior of individual blood stem cells and what it could mean for treating diseases associated with aging.

Quotes from this episode

On stem cells and what makes them so promising for medical research

Stem cells are the special cells in the body that can produce other type of cells. So in particular there are two type of stem cells, one called embryonic stem cells that only exist in the embryonic stages. And the other type of stem cells are called somatic stem cells that are also exist in adulthood. And these somatic stem cells can produce only a specific subset of the cell types in the body. For example, skin stem cells can only produce skin cells and blood stem cells can only produce blood and immune cells. But all the stem cells share the general special property called self-renewal and differentiation. So differentiation describes their ability to produce a different type of cells and self-renewal refers to their ability of making more of themselves over time and sustain the long-term differentiation and tissue regeneration.

On the ability of stem cells to regenerate as we age

…that's what makes stem cells super special because they are the only long-lasting cells in the body that continuously regenerate and sustain the tissue. But over time, stem cells capacity in terms of self-renewal are reducing and therefore the tissue as homeostasis decline when the body ages.

On whether stem cells might offer protection against age-related immune decline

Sure. So over aging stem cells become less and less competent in producing immune cells. And, the hope is if we can maintain the stem cells capacity over time then we could make the stem cells offer the protection. Again, this is very much a research in progress and many research labs are working on this important question, including my own lab.

On the focus of research in her lab

In our lab, we're interested in understanding how are individual stem cells different from each other and how different stem cells work together to maintain an overall balanced blood pool. And in particular, over aging, we want to understand how individual blood stem cells change during aging and how their change lead to the aging phenotype of the animal. And what we found is that there are a specific subset of blood stem cells that age, particularly faster than the others. And there's also another group of stem cells that actually can change in the opposite way during aging and provide more immune cells and their presence really correlate with the delayed aging phenotype of the animal. So we're very excited about this finding and we're following up on this study using our bar coding tool to track these anti-aging stem cells and study what make them so special.

On the development and use of a tool to label individual cells with unique “barcodes”

 The barcoding tool was developed a couple of decades ago by several labs simultaneously. At that time they used the viral insertion site as a marker to track individual cells.

So about 10 to 20 years ago, high throughput sequencing technology started to emerge. And at that time,  I started to combine the new capacity of this high throughput sequencing to quantify the cellular behavior at a single cell level. So instead of using viral insertion site, I provide a particular DNA barcode sequence into the virus and use that as a marker to track individual cells. And what this allow us is a high precise quantification of the cellular behavior and also the high throughput that is needed to track hundreds and thousands of stem cells in the body.

We can use this tool to study cancer cells and understand the heterogeneity among individual cancer cells. For example, a recent study from my group used it to track the primary acute lymphoblastic leukemia cells in xenograph mouse model. And what we found is that individual leukemia cells have different ability to grow to metastasize and to respond to the drug treatment. And we found that some cancer stem cells that are particularly resistant to drugs to drug treatment In particular, some leukemia cells that are particular resistant to chemotherapy treatment, exhibit distinct gene expression signature compared to others.

On gene expression signatures

The gene expression signature means these particular subset of cells express a distinct subset of genes that make them different and potentially may cause their specific drug response behavior. So these particular gene expression signature can allow us first to identify these cells and to detect whether these cells exists and whether the patient has the potential of resist chemotherapy. And secondly, these gene expression signature can also be potential drug treatment targets to allow us to particularly target these cancer or leukemia cells in the therapeutic treatment.

On future directions in aging research

So in the context of aging, we are very excited about our recent discovery of these anti-aging, uh, stem cells. And we would like to further understand how to activate these anti-aging behavior and how to expand their function in the animal. And we are also very excited about our discovery on the cellular heterogeneity in disease, in particular, in their response to chemo drug treatment. And we would like to further identify the potential functions of the gene expression signature that we discovered. In addition, we also want to understand whether the microenvironment of the stem cell play a role in terms of instructing their heterogeneous behavior.

Assistant Professor of Gerontology Ryo Sanabria joins Professor George Shannon to discuss their research seeking to understand why stress response pathways break down as we grow older and whether there may be ways to delay that breakdown and potentially promote healthier lifespans.   

Quotes from this episode

On the definition of stress:

Stress can come in so many different forms and flavors. It can come in the form of something external, something like heat stress. For example, being out in the desert heat, it can be something as similar to cold stress of a winter storm, or even something like a bacterial or viral infection… Stress can also be internal though. It's not only external. When we think of humans, we can think of big things like mental stress, emotional stress, social and societal stressors. So really the definition of stress is pretty large. And just to say anything that causes some kind of adverse reaction to the body is a stress. And so we study all of these various types of stresses and how it impacts our bodies, our health, and of course aging.

On how our cells respond to stress:

The response to stress within the cell is simply to activate mechanisms that prevent damage. And the main way that this happens is to turn on genes. So genes encode specific types of proteins and processes and mechanisms that are important to mitigate the stress. So it's like essentially activating or turning on a switch that has some kind of functional output, similar to how you will just flip a switch to turn on a fan or an air conditioner. So you can cool down the house. Exactly in the same way, the cells will switch on jeans that can activate pathways that prevent or mitigate that is associated with exposure to stress. So for example, when we are under heat stress, our cells will turn on the mechanisms and pathways that will essentially alleviate damage associated with heat stress, such as damaging proteins or things like that, that happen under heat stress. So the cell is essentially trying to repair or discard damaged proteins that happen with exposure to heat.

On efforts to give older person to have  a younger person’s ability to deal with stress

We know that the capacity to deal with stress declines during the aging process. So the question is if we give an older person, a younger person's capacity to deal with stress, would that actually combat aging? So if we go back to example again, before, if I give the grandmother her grandchild's capacity to deal with desert heat, we know that she'll be more resilient to the heat. She'll likely survive the desert, but generally, would she actually be healthier overall as well? Would she be in a sense younger? And the answer in most model organisms that we study is yes. When we give an old organism, a young organism's capacity to deal with stress, not only can they handle that specific stress better, but overall they're healthier and live longer.

So when we think about model organisms, what we're doing is activating those genes that I talked about. So essentially turning on those switches that will then activate a specific pathway, like in the example I gave earlier where heat stress causes damaged proteins, you can turn on the switches that will essentially activate pathways that will remove or repair the damaged proteins. So what happens during the aging process is that the capacity to turn on these genes switch on these genes are impaired.

So what do we do with this? We really try to increase the capacity of that gene to turn on. So it would be like increasing the electrical circuit's capacity to pump energy into your AC so we can increase the gene's output and in model organisms, this is easy. We can simply overexpress your gene. So what does that mean? If we think about the number of copies a gene has, usually one gene will have one copy, but if we give an organism 50 copies of the same gene, even if we decrease the output by half during aging, you're still having 25 times the gene expression, which will improve the overall outcome.

But of course, in humans, you can't just go in and increase the number of copies of a gene. We're not yet there for gene therapy. So what can we do in humans? Well, if we know what specific mechanisms are activated by the gene, we can try to target them with drugs. So use drugs that increase the function of one specific mechanism. So we know many of the genes and mechanisms that get activated when we're exposed to for example, heat stress. So we can try to develop drugs that activate these pathways to essentially hyper-activate the stress response and try to use this to combat aging.

On the concept of  hormesis and the benefits of exercise:

Hormesis - what it means is that exposure to low levels of stress can activate a beneficial stress response that makes you more resilient to exposure to future stressors. Exercise is exactly this. When you exercise you're stressing out the body, you can get micro-tears and the muscles when you do strength training, and that's what lets the muscles grow and become stronger. Any kind of cardio or any type of fitness will make your body temperature elevate, which will cause a mild heat, stress and exposure to all of these mini stressors during exercise activates all of these stress response pathways that I talked about before. And so when your body faces stress, you essentially become more resilient to it. So athletes tend to be healthier mostly because they have a higher tolerance for stress. Their bodies are better able to mitigate damage associated with stress because their bodies can activate stronger stress responses.

So the concept of hormesis is that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Every hardship you face makes you more resilient and stronger to face the next one. So truly there's a connection to exercise and fitness as a model of essentially adapting to stress, to essentially combat aging.

 

On the benefits of stress

Yeah, I know we covered a lot today. I went into so many diverse topics, so I just want to summarize everything by, uh, saying Kelly Clarkson sings it right. For sure. She says what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Definitely true. So while people will always tell you avoid stress, it isn't good for you. I want to just say, well, some stress isn't so bad living a completely stress-free life might actually not be so beneficial. So let yourself experience some good stress, work out, go to the gym, fight off a bully, maybe, immerse yourself in a challenging job. Everything you face in life will make you that much stronger. And who knows. It might even positively impact your lifespan.