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    iPhone 8 review, Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE review, and Apple TV 4K review

    enSeptember 22, 2017

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    • Faster LTE speeds vs. Home Wi-Fi and iPhone 8 reviewThe Qualcomm Snapdragon Gigabit LTE offers faster download speeds than home Wi-Fi, allowing for quick access to high-definition videos and large files. The iPhone 8 review highlights its glass back, wireless charging capabilities, but slower wireless charging speed compared to competitors.

      The Qualcomm Snapdragon Gigabit LTE can provide significantly faster download speeds compared to typical home Wi-Fi, enabling users to stream high-definition videos, access cloud files quickly, and download large files in a matter of seconds. Meanwhile, on the tech news front, the Vergecast team reviewed the iPhone 8 and compared it to other flagship phones, noting that while it has a glass back and supports wireless charging, its wireless charging speed is slower than some competitors, and it's not using Qualcomm's fast wireless charging technology due to Apple's ongoing legal dispute with Qualcomm. The team also mentioned that Apple's iPhone 8 reviews were part of a busy week of tech news, and they paid tribute to the Verge video crew for their hard work producing multiple Apple-related videos.

    • Faster charging with MacBook adapterThe iPhone 8 can charge faster using Apple's MacBook USB-C adapter, but requires additional purchase.

      The new iPhone 8, despite having the same chip as the iPhone X, offers faster charging speeds when using Apple's MacBook USB-C adapter. Previously, users could achieve faster charging speeds by using an iPad charger, but now, Apple officially supports and advertises this faster charging method. This is likely a response to Android phones and their faster charging capabilities. However, this comes with a cost, as users need to purchase the MacBook USB-C adapter and cable, which can cost around $80. The iPhone 8 also supports wireless charging and can be charged while listening to music with AirPods, but this comes with additional costs as well. Overall, the iPhone 8's charging capabilities add to the cost of the device, but offer faster charging options for users.

    • Improved cameras and new features in iPhone 8 and 8 PlusThe iPhone 8 and 8 Plus have improved cameras with deeper pixels, a heavier glass back, and True Tone display technology, making for a reliable and functional upgrade for those looking to upgrade from older models.

      The new iPhones 8 and 8 Plus offer improved cameras with deeper pixels, which help prevent light spillover and improve image quality. The telephoto sensor on the 8 Plus is better than the one on the 7 Plus, but still not as good as the wide-angle sensor. The phones also have a heavier glass back and a more substantial feel. The iPhone 8 is also equipped with True Tone display technology, which enhances the viewing experience. Overall, the iPhones 8 and 8 Plus are reliable and functional upgrades for those looking to upgrade from older models. They may not offer groundbreaking new features, but they provide a solid and improved user experience.

    • Apple's iPhone 8: Boring and Expensive for Enthusiasts, Affordable for OthersApple's iPhone 8 faces criticism for being overpriced and outdated compared to iPhone X, but caters to budget-conscious consumers and emerging markets

      The iPhone 8, despite its high-end features and reliability, is being perceived as a boring and expensive option compared to the more advanced and exciting iPhone X. The pricing strategy of Apple, with its incremental storage upgrades, has been criticized as lame. The demand for the iPhone 8 is expected to pick up once it reaches the average consumer market, but the enthusiasts are already waiting for the iPhone 10. Apple's attempt to segment its lineup to cater to different customer groups is a significant move, and it remains to be seen if they have successfully pulled it off. The iPhone 8, with its older design and features, is still available in the market, including in the US, and caters to the budget-conscious customers and emerging markets.

    • IPhone 8 vs. Competition: Should You Upgrade?The iPhone 8 offers longer software support and reliability, making it a worthwhile investment for those who keep their phones for a long time despite its smaller size and less advanced features, but faces competition from more visually appealing designs like the Essential Phone.

      The iPhone 8 finds itself in a crowded market with the release of the iPhone 10, leaving some consumers questioning whether to upgrade. While the 8 received positive reviews, its price point puts it in competition with more advanced phones like the Samsung Galaxy S8. Despite the 8's smaller size and less advanced features, some argue that its longer software support and reliability make it a worthwhile investment for those who keep their phones for an extended period. Meanwhile, the Essential Phone, with its edge-to-edge LCD and notch, offers a more visually appealing design but faces competition in the same price range. Ultimately, the decision to upgrade or stay with an older model depends on individual preferences and needs.

    • IPhone 8 vs Samsung S8: Different Approaches to CameraBoth iPhone 8 and Samsung S8 cameras have unique strengths and weaknesses, with Samsung favoring vibrant images and Apple focusing on realism. Personal preference and other factors should also be considered.

      Both the iPhone 8 and Samsung S8 cameras have their strengths and weaknesses, and the preference between the two ultimately depends on individual circumstances and personal preferences. The Samsung S8 tends to oversaturate images, making them appear vibrant and punchy on its own display, but may appear less impressive when viewed on other devices. On the other hand, the iPhone 8 produces images that are more accurate to real life, but may not be as visually striking straight out of the camera. Apple aims for realism and avoids excessive filtering, while Samsung leans towards more vibrant and saturated images. However, as both cameras continue to improve, the differences between them are becoming increasingly negligible, and other factors such as screen quality, design, and personal preference should also be considered when choosing between the two.

    • IPhone 8 vs Samsung S8: A ComparisonWhile iPhone 8 offers waterproofing, Samsung S8 has better camera quality. However, the upcoming iPhone 10 is expected to surpass Samsung in features, potentially making the notch on iPhone X a non-issue.

      While the iPhone 8 offers waterproofing as a premium feature, it falls short in other areas, particularly in camera quality. The Samsung S8, on the other hand, has features that make it more appealing, but these advantages are negated by the upcoming iPhone 10. The much-criticized notch on the iPhone X is expected to be a non-issue once users get their hands on the device. Critics, including some from the Apple design community, have voiced their concerns based on screenshots and mock-ups, but in real life use, the notch is likely to be forgotten. Apple could have solved the notch issue by blacking out the two years above it, but instead, they've left it as is, and app developers are expected to find a solution. Overall, the consensus is to wait for the iPhone 10, which is expected to address the iPhone 8's shortcomings.

    • Exclusive Meundies deal and Apple Watch strugglesListeners can get 20% off their first pair of Meundies and free shipping. Lauren shared issues with her Apple Watch Series 3's connectivity, but Apple addressed the problem on authenticated Wi-Fi networks.

      During the podcast, Meundies offered an exclusive deal for listeners: 20% off their first pair and free shipping. This is a limited-time opportunity to try high-quality underwear with a satisfaction guarantee. However, during the discussion, Lauren brought up issues she experienced with the Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE. She noted problems with Siri and Wi-Fi connectivity, which made it difficult to use the watch for cellular calls and text messages when away from her phone. Despite these issues, Apple released a statement addressing the problem on authenticated Wi-Fi networks. Overall, the podcast touched on the exclusive Meundies offer and the challenges Lauren faced with her Apple Watch.

    • Apple Watch Series 3 LTE: Inconsistent Wi-Fi connectivity frustrates usersUsers report inconsistent Wi-Fi connectivity on Apple Watch Series 3 LTE, leading to frustration and inconvenience. Fixes like deleting Wi-Fi networks and resetting iCloud settings are not practical for all users.

      The Apple Watch Series 3 LTE model's Wi-Fi connectivity issues are causing inconsistent experiences for users, leading to frustration and inconvenience. The suggested fix of deleting Wi-Fi networks on a Mac and resetting iCloud settings is not a practical solution for all users, especially those without Macs. The watch's prioritization of connectivity and handoff between Wi-Fi and cellular networks is also causing unexpected disconnections in various locations. Furthermore, the lack of music streaming capability at launch, despite Apple's promises, adds to the disappointment. The antenna design and potential reliability issues with the screen-as-antenna technology are potential factors contributing to the connectivity problems. Apple's commitment to making devices "just work" is being questioned as users encounter these persistent issues.

    • Apple Watch Series 4 connectivity issuesThe Apple Watch Series 4 may have connectivity problems causing disconnections or weak cellular signals, but Apple is rushing to release it for the holiday season.

      The Apple Watch Series 4, which is currently experiencing software issues, may have connectivity problems that cause it to disconnect or only show one bar of cellular signal. This could be due to the distance between the user and the network or an antenna issue. Despite these challenges, Apple is reportedly rushing to release the watch, which has already been delayed, likely for the holiday shopping season. The watch's operating system, WatchOS 4, is generally well-received, but some features may not work on older Apple Watch models. The ultimate value of the watch, which is more expensive than previous versions and requires a monthly service fee, depends on the individual user's needs and whether the connectivity issues are resolved.

    • Apple Watch Series 3 LTE: Niche Product for Specific Use CasesMany people don't see enough utility in LTE Apple Watch to justify the extra cost due to its limitations and lack of compelling apps beyond notifications and fitness tracking.

      Despite the excitement surrounding the LTE capabilities of the Apple Watch Series 3, many people, including the speakers in this discussion, do not believe the added convenience justifies the additional cost. The watch is still seen as an accessory to the phone rather than an independent device, and the limitations of what can be done on the watch make it a niche product for specific use cases. While some may find value in having LTE connectivity for activities like running or working out, the majority of people, especially those who are not already smartwatch users, do not see enough utility to justify the extra cost. Additionally, the lack of compelling apps beyond notifications and fitness tracking limits the appeal of the LTE Apple Watch to a select audience.

    • Smartwatches: Convenient but Not Yet Replacing PhonesUsers may find themselves using their phones more with a smartwatch due to setup and control needs. Streaming audio directly is not yet seamless, and women's pockets pose challenges. Accurate battery life estimates for LTE smartwatches are also an issue.

      Smartwatches, like the Samsung Gear S2, offer convenience for checking time and notifications without having to constantly reach for a phone. However, some users find themselves using their phones more when wearing a smartwatch due to the need to set up and control the watch or read notifications. Additionally, the ideal of leaving a phone behind and streaming audio directly to a smartwatch is not yet a reality. Another issue raised is the design of women's pockets, which can make it difficult to carry a phone and headphones for uninterrupted audio use. Lastly, battery life estimates for smartwatches with LTE, such as the Apple Watch Series 3, may not be accurate for users who engage in longer workouts or hikes.

    • Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE: Connectivity issues and high cost. Apple TV: Lack of control over external displays.The Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE faces intermittent connectivity issues and has a shorter battery life than expected, while the Apple TV's limitations come from Apple's lack of control over external displays and their software, affecting the overall viewing experience.

      The Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE still faces some issues and may not be worth the additional cost for everyone, despite the convenience it offers. The Apple TV review, which was unexpectedly explosive in response, highlighted the limitations of Apple's control over external displays and the software that drives them. Regarding the Apple Watch Series 3, the LTE feature has intermittent connectivity issues, and the battery life is shorter than expected. However, if you're a dedicated fan of the technology and are willing to pay an extra $10 a month for the intermittent convenience, it might still be worth it for you. Moving on to the Apple TV review, it was discovered that Apple doesn't have control over the software that drives external TV displays, which limits its capabilities. The device runs in the best mode it can find by default, usually at 1080p and 60 Hertz. This lack of control over external displays is a significant limitation, especially for home theater enthusiasts who desire the best possible viewing experience. In conclusion, the Apple Watch Series 3 with LTE has some connectivity issues, and the additional cost might not be worth it for everyone. Meanwhile, the Apple TV's limitations stem from Apple's lack of control over external displays and their software. These findings might disappoint some tech enthusiasts, but they provide valuable insights into the capabilities and limitations of these Apple devices.

    • Apple TV's HDR and Dolby Atmos limitationsApple TV supports HDR and Dolby Vision, but lacks support for non-HDR frame rates and Dolby Atmos audio, potentially frustrating some users.

      Apple's new 4K HDR Apple TV has some limitations when it comes to displaying content, particularly in relation to frame rates and HDR formats. While the TV runs at 4K HDR all the time, which is a change from the old Apple TV that ran everything at 60 Hertz, this conversion to HDR can result in lower quality for non-HDR content. Additionally, the Apple TV currently does not support Dolby Atmos audio, which is a limitation for those with Atmos-enabled home theater systems. The lack of support for these features, despite being able to do so from a technical standpoint, is likely due to Apple's preference for a simplified user experience and avoiding the potential issues that come with mode switching. Overall, while the Apple TV's video and audio output looks great in HDR and Dolby Vision, its limitations with non-HDR content and lack of Dolby Atmos support may be frustrating for some users.

    • Technical issues affecting streaming experiencePoor encoding, incompatible formats, and lack of adaptability to different display types can negatively impact the streaming experience, limiting access to optimal video and audio quality.

      The streaming experience can be negatively impacted by various technical issues, such as poor encoding, incompatible formats, and lack of adaptability to different display types. For instance, when watching non-HDR content on a 4K HDR TV through a streaming service like HBO Go, the video quality may suffer due to the TV's inability to interpret the signal correctly. Additionally, format wars between companies like Apple and Google can limit the accessibility of certain content on specific devices. In the case of Apple TV, its inability to support the VP9 codec used by YouTube results in 4K content not being playable on the platform. Apple's approach to ensure Siri functionality on their devices by not passing through Dolby Atmos signals also impacts the audio quality for some users. Overall, the fragmentation of content and technology can lead to suboptimal viewing experiences, highlighting the need for better compatibility and adaptability across various platforms and formats.

    • Apple TV 4K cannot play 4K content from YouTube due to decoding limitationsApple TV 4K lacks 4K HDR support from YouTube due to decoding codec issues, limiting its appeal for those seeking the best home theater experience.

      Apple's TVOS, a subset of iOS, lacks the capability to play 4K content from YouTube due to limitations in decoding codecs. This is a significant issue as YouTube is the largest source of 4K HDR content available. Apple could unlock these limitations and allow Google to add the VP9 codec, but they have not done so yet. The lack of 4K HDR support, along with the absence of Siri-enabled Atmos audio and mode switching, detracts from the overall value of the Apple TV 4K. Despite these shortcomings, the device's integration with iTunes and Apple's strong relationships with the movie industry make it an attractive option for those with large iTunes libraries. However, the absence of Dolby Atmos audio and the lack of custom display settings hinder its appeal for those seeking the best possible home theater experience. Ultimately, the decision to buy the Apple TV 4K comes down to whether the value of iTunes content justifies the price for individual users.

    • Chromecast Ultra: Compatibility and Interface ConsiderationsThe Chromecast Ultra offers Dolby Vision and Atmos support but requires firmware updates and a phone as a remote, limiting compatibility. Some prefer its simple interface, while others like the Apple TV app's central hub for content aggregation. Consider waiting for fall hardware launches and evaluating competition before purchasing.

      The Chromecast Ultra, while offering both Dolby Vision and Atmos support, requires device-specific firmware updates and relies on a phone as a remote. This means that not all devices, like a 2016 OLED TV, may be compatible. Regarding the interface, while some prefer the simplicity of casting directly from their devices without an interface, others appreciate having a central hub like the Apple TV app, which aggregates content from various apps and makes recommendations based on viewing history. However, the success of this app depends on app developers integrating it and providing content. For those not heavily invested in iTunes content, a more straightforward streaming device like the Roku Premiere Plus might be a better choice. With the fall hardware launches still ongoing, it's recommended to wait before making any purchases. Additionally, other devices like the NVIDIA Shield TV offer strong competition.

    • Discussing Shield TV, upcoming Google event, and new dog food subscription serviceThe Shield TV offers great gaming and media experiences, especially for streaming pirated content and using Plex. Google's upcoming event may bring new Pixel phones, a mini Google Home, and a high-end Chromebook. A new dog food subscription service called Yadoggy uses Bluetooth technology to order more food when needed.

      The Shield TV, specifically the Shield with a controller, offers an exceptional experience for gaming and media consumption, particularly when it comes to streaming pirated content and using Plex. The upcoming Google event on October 4th is expected to bring new products such as the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL, a new miniature Google Home, and a Chromebook Pixel, or Pixelbook. The Pixel 2 XL is rumored to have an edge-to-edge screen, and the Chromebook Pixel, or Pixelbook, is expected to cost around $1,500. The discussion also touched upon the controversy surrounding the notch on Android phones and the various features and customization options they offer. Additionally, there was a mention of a new dog food subscription service called Yadoggy, which uses Bluetooth technology to sense when you scoop out your dog's food and orders more when needed. The conversation also included some humor and tangents, such as the discussion about the Google leaks and the debate over the pronunciation of the word "button."

    • Google buys HTC team and patents for $1.1 billionGoogle expanded its tech capabilities with the acquisition of HTC's team and patents, while HTC shifted focus from OEM business.

      Technology continues to evolve with innovative gadgets and acquisitions. For instance, a smart water bowl was jokingly discussed as a solution to keep track of pet feeding, costing around $40-$50. A major tech news came when Google bought HTC's team and patents for $1.1 billion, marking a significant move in the tech industry. HTC, known for its OEM business, had its heart sold to Google. Additionally, the new Pixels are rumored to have a squeezable feature, which Google apparently valued highly. Amidst all these advancements, it's essential to be cautious and not rush into buying new gadgets without thorough consideration. Meanwhile, Lauren Goode from The Verge discussed her interview with Ann Wojcicki, the founder of 23andMe, where they addressed concerns about data security in genetic testing companies. For more insights, listeners can tune into Lauren's podcast "Embedded" and other podcasts like "Recode Decode" and "Recode Media." Stay tuned for more tech news and reviews on Verge.com.

    • The Evolution of Surround Sound TechnologyImmersive sound enhances entertainment experience, but cost and complexity can be barriers for some.

      Technology, specifically surround sound technology, can greatly enhance our entertainment experience. Casey Newton, from the show "The Verge," discussed his obsession with this technology and how it has evolved over the years. He emphasized the importance of immersive sound in movies and games, and how it can transport us to new worlds. However, the cost and complexity of setting up a high-quality surround sound system can be a barrier for some. Despite this, the passion and dedication of audiophiles and tech enthusiasts towards this technology is evident. In the end, the investment in surround sound can lead to a more engaging and enjoyable entertainment experience.

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