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    Lemurology (LEMURS) with Lydia Greene

    en-usDecember 20, 2023

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    • Discovering the Fascinating World of Lemurs and MadagascarLemurs, native to Madagascar, are essential to global biodiversity. Dr. Lydia Green, a lemur ecologist, advocates for their conservation. Madagascar's unique ecosystem and cultural diversity make it a must-visit destination. Ongoing research and support from organizations and individuals are crucial for their protection.

      Lemurs, the endangered and adorable mammals native to Madagascar, are an essential part of the world's biodiversity. Dr. Lydia Green, a lemur ecologist and science communicator, shared her passion for these animals during our conversation. She has dedicated her career to studying lemurs in their natural habitats and advocating for their conservation. Madagascar, the island home of lemurs, is a geographically and culturally diverse place, making it a unique destination for researchers and visitors alike. Dr. Green emphasized the importance of ongoing research and conservation efforts to protect these fascinating creatures and preserve the island's rich ecosystem. By supporting organizations like the Duke Lemur Center and engaging in educational resources, we can all contribute to the ongoing efforts to protect and learn more about lemurs.

    • Identifying Lemur Species through Genetic TestingGenetic testing plays a crucial role in discovering new lemur species and expanding our knowledge of biodiversity, especially in regions where visual identification is misleading. Methods vary depending on the species and include fecal samples, live traps, and skin punches.

      Genetic testing plays a crucial role in identifying and understanding the diversity of lemur species in their natural habitats, particularly in regions like the Comoros Islands where visual identification can be misleading. Currently, there are 108 recognized lemur species, but as genetic sequencing advances, more diversity is being discovered. Genetic testing methods vary depending on the species, from fecal samples for larger, active species to live traps and skin punches for smaller, nocturnal ones. For instance, mouse lemurs, which are about the size of a mouse and have a round body, large eyes, and pointy ears, have about 25 species, and their genetic material is collected using live traps and anesthesia. These discoveries not only expand our knowledge of biodiversity but also contribute to conservation efforts. So, the next time you're at a pub quiz, remember that the number of lemur species goes far beyond your initial guess.

    • Lemurs: Not Monkeys, But Unique Primate SpeciesLemurs are primates with wet, curly noses for superior smell, but often overlooked due to misconceptions. They are not monkeys or alligators, but essential ecosystem members.

      Lemurs, though related to monkeys, are not monkeys themselves, and they have distinct characteristics. While they are primates, they belong to the strepsirrhine group, which is identified by their wet, curly noses. This feature gives them an excellent sense of smell, allowing them to locate food and detect injuries in other lemurs. However, lemurs are often overlooked in public knowledge due to the overrepresentation of a few species in captivity and tourism. They live their best lives in their natural habitats, and keeping them as pets is not ideal. Despite their intelligence and social nature, they are not monkeys or alligators with hair, but unique primates with essential roles in their ecosystems.

    • Lemurs' Unique Genital Secretions for Communication and MatingLemurs, primates native to Madagascar, have distinct genital secretions for communication and mating. These secretions can alter during injury, signaling weakness to rivals. Lemurs belong to the strepsirrhine group, while monkeys are in the haplorhine group. Despite popular belief, lemurs do not move to the 'Move it Move it' song from Madagascar.

      Lemurs, a diverse group of primates native to Madagascar, have unique genital secretions used for communication and mating. These secretions can change during injury, signaling vulnerability to other males. Lemurs belong to the strepsirrhine group, which also includes bush babies and lorises, while monkeys are in the haplorhine group. A common misconception is that lemurs move to the song "Move it Move it" from the Madagascar movie, but in reality, they do not. Lemurs likely arrived on Madagascar around 80-90 million years ago when it was still connected to Africa and India. The lack of a fossil record during this time makes it unclear how lemurs made it to the island.

    • The Arrival of Lemurs in Madagascar via RaftingAround 58 million years ago, lemurs likely arrived in Madagascar via a giant mat of floating vegetation during a cyclone, giving rise to over 100 different species.

      The origin of lemurs in Madagascar, one of the world's biodiversity hotspots, is a fascinating story of genetics, ocean currents, and rafting. Around 58 million years ago, a small group of early primates likely arrived on the island via a giant mat of floating vegetation during a cyclone. This event, which is believed to have happened only once, gave rise to over 100 different species of lemurs. The genetic data, combined with Simpson's hypothesis about rafting and ocean current information, helps scientists piece together this intriguing story. Interestingly, other mammals, such as rodents, carnivores, narrow-striped mongooses, flying fox bats, and 10 rex, also arrived in Madagascar via similar rafting events. Despite the lack of a clear fossil record, scientists continue to explore theories about how these animals survived the journey and adapted to their new environment. Madagascar's geological history, which favors erosion over deposition of soils, makes it challenging to find fossils from this time period. Real lemurs share several primate traits, including a long tail, opposable thumbs, and a primate-like brain structure.

    • Understanding Lemurs' Unique Traits and AdaptationsLemurs, endemic to Madagascar, have diverse physical traits and adaptations, including specialized grooming claws and teeth, thick fur, and long fingers for resource extraction, reflecting their varied habitats and diets.

      Lemurs, a type of primate unique to Madagascar, exhibit distinct physical traits such as a grooming claw on their second toe and specialized teeth for grooming. They also come in various fur types suited to their habitats. Aye ayes, a peculiar lemur species, evolved to extract hard-to-reach resources with their strong, ever-growing teeth and long, sensitive middle finger. While some lemurs, like ruffed lemurs, have thick fur for warmth, others, like aye ayes, have unique adaptations for their specific environments and diets. Understanding these traits and adaptations highlights the diversity within the lemur species and their role in Madagascar's ecosystem.

    • Lemurs' Large Eyes: Adaptation to Nocturnal Life and Diverse HabitatsLemurs' large eyes aid their survival in various habitats and diurnal/nocturnal lifestyles, while their adaptability and diverse diets make some species suitable for captivity.

      Lemurs, an intriguing primate species native to Madagascar, have large eyes due to their nocturnal nature and varying habitats. While most lemurs are nocturnal, some are diurnal or cathemeral. The size and color of their eyes vary among species, with some having very dark eyes and others having light orange, yellow, or even blue eyes. The large eyes help lemurs capture more light in their environment, enabling them to survive. Lemurs' adaptability to different habitats and diets makes some species easier to keep in captivity than others. For instance, ring-tailed lemurs are flexible generalists that thrive in various conditions and are commonly found in zoos. In contrast, other lemur species are ecologically specialized and require specific habitats and diets, making their conservation more challenging. The speaker, Lydia, shared her unexpected journey into lemur research, having grown up in a musical family and becoming a ballet dancer before finding her passion in lemur studies.

    • Discovering unexpected passions and opportunitiesStay open to new experiences and follow your passions, even when the path ahead is uncertain, as Lydia did, leading to a fulfilling career studying lemurs in Madagascar.

      Sometimes, life doesn't go as planned, but discovering new passions and opportunities along the way can lead to unexpected and fulfilling careers. Lydia, a primatologist and science communicator, shares her story of how she stumbled upon her love for lemurs and anthropology during college, leading her to a career studying these fascinating creatures in their natural habitats in Madagascar. Her journey began when she applied to Duke University as a reach school, despite doubts from others, and ended up taking an evolutionary anthropology class that sparked her interest in primates. Simultaneously, she landed a job as a tour guide at the Duke Primate Center, deepening her knowledge and passion for lemurs. For graduate school, she pursued her studies in Madagascar, where she met her wife, a fellow researcher, and they've been working together ever since. Lydia's story illustrates the importance of staying open to new experiences and following your passions, even when the path ahead may be uncertain.

    • Ring-tailed lemurs' unique tail rings serve for camouflage and social communicationRing-tailed lemurs' tail rings aid in camouflage and social signaling. They spend majority of time on ground and use tails for social signaling and diverse vocalizations for communication.

      Ring-tailed lemurs, known for their distinctive rings on their tails, have both functional and communicative purposes for their unique feature. The rings may help with camouflage and social communication within their troop. Ring-tailed lemurs are the most terrestrial of all lemurs and spend up to 80% of their time on the ground. They use their tails for social signaling, with dominant females lifting their tails to lead the group and males using their tails in scent battles. Additionally, lemurs have diverse vocalizations for various purposes, including warning of predators and maintaining social bonds. While they may seem cute and lovable, they can also be protective of their territories and social groups. Overall, ring-tailed lemurs' features serve important functions in their social structure and survival.

    • Lemurs exhibit various social behaviorsLemurs display peaceful and aggressive behaviors, learn necessary social skills during extended juvenility, use toxins for potential self-medication, dislike water, and live in complex social structures

      Lemurs exhibit both peaceful and aggressive behaviors depending on their social situations. They have prosocial tendencies, shown through grooming and play, but can also display aggression when competing over resources. Juvenile lemurs have an extended period of juvenility where they learn necessary social skills, and sometimes engage in silly behavior. Some lemur populations use millipede toxins for potential self-medication against parasites, which can induce a narcotic-like state. Lemurs generally dislike water and do not swim, likely due to their rainforest habitats and evolutionary history. Contrary to popular belief, lemurs do not live in matriarchal societies, but rather complex social structures where both males and females play important roles.

    • Lemurs: Matriarchal Primates of MadagascarLemurs are matriarchal primates in Madagascar, exhibiting female dominance due to unpredictable environments and their high adaptability and intelligence

      Lemurs, which are primarily found in Madagascar, exhibit female dominance and are considered matriarchal. This is likely due to the unpredictable and variable environments of Madagascar, which necessitate females' ability to secure food and resources to support pregnancy and lactation. Additionally, lemurs are often underestimated in terms of intelligence when we focus solely on cognitive abilities, but they are highly adaptive and intelligent in their ability to survive in their unique habitats. Lastly, lemurs have varying life expectancies depending on their species, with smaller species living shorter lives and larger species living longer.

    • Lemurs' Adaptations and Cultural SignificanceLemurs, native to Madagascar, are known for their unique adaptations like hibernation, diverse locomotion styles, and various habitats. They are revered or considered pests in local folklore.

      Lemurs, a unique group of primates native to Madagascar, exhibit various adaptations for survival, including hibernation for longevity, different locomotion styles, and diverse habitats. The dwarf lemurs, or chirogaleus, are obligate hibernators, sleeping up to 7 months a year, and storing fat in their tails for energy. Some lemurs, like the Andriadei or Shafaq, use vertical clinging and leaping (VCL) to move between trees, while others, like ring-tailed lemurs, are quadrupeds and run on all fours. Lemurs also inhabit diverse habitats, burrowing in the ground in rainforests and using tree holes in dry forests. In Malagasy folklore, lemurs play various roles, often governed by taboos or Fadi. For instance, they are revered as sacred animals in some regions, while in others, they are considered pests. Overall, lemurs' adaptations and cultural significance highlight their importance in Madagascar's rich biodiversity and cultural heritage.

    • Lemurs in Madagascar Folklore and Reproductive PatternsLemurs in Madagascar have rich cultural significance, seasonal reproductive patterns, and varied offspring numbers. Some species have short pregnancies and multiple offspring, while others have longer pregnancies and fewer offspring. Their human-like features and complex reproductive behaviors reflect the biodiversity and ecology of Madagascar.

      Lemurs, native to Madagascar, have a rich cultural significance in local folklore and have varied reproductive patterns adapted to their seasonal environment. In the folklore, lemurs, particularly the injured lemurs, are recognized for their human-like features and intertwined history with humans. Reproduction in lemurs is seasonal, with breeding timed for the rainy season when food is abundant. The gestation period and number of offspring vary widely among species. For instance, mouse and dwarf lemurs have short pregnancies and can have up to triplets, while larger lemurs like ring-tailed lemurs usually have singletons or twins, and ruffed lemurs can have litters of up to five. The lemurs' mating habits also vary by species, with some mating for life and others not. The cultural significance of lemurs and their unique reproductive patterns highlight the fascinating biodiversity and complex ecology of Madagascar.

    • Lemurs exhibit diverse mating behaviors and testes sizesFrom monogamous pair bonding to promiscuous mating, lemurs display various behaviors influenced by competition for paternity and social structures. Testes sizes vary accordingly, with mouse lemurs having the largest due to intense sperm competition.

      Lemur species exhibit various mating behaviors, from monogamous pair bonding to promiscuous mating with multiple partners. The red-bellied and dwarf lemurs are known for their lifelong pair bonding, while ring-tailed lemurs display promiscuous behavior with multiple males and females during mating season. The size of their testes varies depending on the competition for paternity. For instance, mouse lemurs have the largest testes among primates due to intense sperm competition. Sociality and evolution are interconnected, and the size of testes is a sign of cuckoldry in species with high paternity competition. The Madagascar movies, while increasing public awareness of lemurs, missed opportunities to portray accurate information, such as female dominance and the absence of African megafauna in Madagascar. Overall, the diversity of lemur behaviors reflects the complexity of their social structures and evolutionary history.

    • Lemurs and the Conservation Crisis in MadagascarLemurs, known for their large eyes, are endangered due to habitat loss, fragmentation, and climate change. Supporting Malagasy-led organizations is crucial to address the complex conservation crisis in Madagascar and ensure local voices are heard.

      Lemurs, known for their cute appearance and large eyes, are endangered due to habitat loss, fragmentation, and climate change. The Kratt brothers, who studied lemurs at Duke University, chose a Sifaka lemur as their mascot, and a real lemur named Jovian contributed to research. Sadly, Jovian passed away, but he had a long life and impact. The conservation crisis in Madagascar, where many lemurs live, is complex and involves competition for land between humans and lemurs. It's essential to support Malagasy-led organizations to help address the issue and ensure the voices of local leaders are heard. The appeal of lemurs may be due to their large eyes, but their endangerment underscores the need for action to protect their habitats and ensure their survival.

    • The rewards of studying lemurs in MadagascarStudying lemurs in Madagascar presents challenges but researchers' passion for these animals and the opportunity to observe them in their natural habitat makes it worthwhile.

      While studying lemurs may bring challenges such as the emotional toll of working with endangered species and the physical demands of field work, the researchers' connection to these animals and the opportunity to observe them in their natural habitat make it all worthwhile. The cockerel Shifak, with its unique coloring and behavior, is a favorite among researchers. The best time to visit Madagascar for observing lemurs is between April and October, avoiding the rainy season. Despite the difficulties, the researchers' passion for these animals keeps them going.

    • Exploring the World of Ologies with Dr. Lydia GreenAsking insightful questions to knowledgeable individuals can lead to lasting knowledge. Engage in meaningful discussions and learn from experts.

      Asking thoughtful questions to knowledgeable people can lead to answers that stay with you long after the conversation has ended. It's important to engage in meaningful discussions and learn from the expertise of others. I had the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Lydia Green, a lemurologist, on my podcast Ologies. Be sure to check out her and her wife's Instagram account, @lemurscientist, and our website at alieward.com/ology/lemurology for more information. I'd also like to thank the team behind the scenes who make Ologies possible, including Erin Talbert, Emily White, Noelle Dilworth, Susan Hale, Kelly R Dwyer, Mercedes Maitland, and Nick Thorburn. And if you're looking for shorter, classroom-friendly episodes, check out our Smologies, available for free download at alieborn.com/smologies. In a lighter moment, I shared a personal story about a Brazilian cheese roll ornament I've kept on our Christmas tree for a year, turning it into a geological specimen. This quick turnaround episode was a labor of love, recorded in the morning and released that same day, despite the late hour. Lastly, I shared a few secrets, including the discovery that my dog looks like an eye, and that this episode had the quickest turnaround time of any I've produced. I hope you enjoyed this episode on pachydermatology, omiology, cryptozoology, litology, nanotechnology, and meteorology. Stay curious!

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    Smologies #43: CICADAS with Gene Kritsky

    Smologies #43: CICADAS with Gene Kritsky

    They are numerous. They are patient. They are COMING for the United States in droves this spring: They are cicadas. *The* Cicada guy Dr. Gene Kritsky joins to chat all about the annual cicadas you may see every summer vs. the periodical ones that cycle through the states in broods of giant numbers. Learn how they survive underground for decades, what they are doing down there, all about their lifecycle, why some cozy up underground for 17 years while others get moving 4 years quicker, plus get inspired to take a cicada safari, download Cicada Safari, and appreciate their songs, which can be as loud as an ambulance. By the end, you’ll want to don a bug costume and take a road trip to one of the 18 states expecting a periodical emergence this spring!

    Dr. Gene Kritsky’s new cicada book A Tale of Two Broods: The 2024 Emergence of Periodical Cicada Broods XIII and XIX

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